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On February 24 2010 12:19 Malongo wrote: So i came up to this: It is for the best interest of the town to lynch tree.hugger today. First of he was to be lynched last night but "somehow" the voting was turned into redtooth impalation. So given that Quickstricker claimed that he wont vote today to force a modkill it is fair to assume that:
- Town has 3 kills total (counting 1 today 2 tomorrow) - If we kill quickstricker we lose the chance to take his claim to our advantage - If we lynch tree.hugger and quickstricker votes we can lynch him tomorrow. - We can take a lot of information about tree.huggers allignment. (namely L, decafchicken, amber and laaan, players that look mafia to me).
Some things: -Why hasnt gambino hit some gambino fake claimers¿ Guys claiming to be gambino CANT be Yumiyumi because gambino family would have killed them already. -Where are our clue analizers¿
So please lets change our kill tonight. We can get Quickstricker tomorrow if he votes, but we win an extra kill (and it would be great if it is a miller kill) by killing someone else.
Im changing to tree.hugger and i expect a lot of resistance from the Yumiyumi family
I like your plan, only problem is that Quickstriker has been inspected and found guilty (unless he's a miller). tree.hugger hasn't been inspected (not saying he's innocent, he's just not confirmed.
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On February 24 2010 14:35 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2010 13:45 Amber[LighT] wrote: By sit back and watch you mean MSN me and tell me Ver is the DT and rolechecked me and told you that I was mafia, right?
Shockeyy is skilled with graffiti, just putting it out there... wait are you saying he lied to you in a PM about ver being a DT? Doesn't this make shockeyy totally untrustworthy?
Can you just stop posting?
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There's a little bit of showtime in us all
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On February 25 2010 14:31 L wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2010 14:24 Nikon wrote: Didn't you say that Chezinu lying is unlikely? Depends who he's talking to and what its about. Chez lies plenty when he's trying to see people make mistakes.
If Chez is lying, there's at least one DT still unaccounted for (unless you really think there was only one DT, but I find that highly unlikely). Surely that someone would've stepped up somewhere along the line by either claiming to Ver or establishing their own circle. It seems hard to believe that there's still a DT lurking in the shadows somewhere, especially at this stage in the game. Along the same lines, I don't think Chez has actually done anything to convince us he should not be trusted (it's not like he's deliberately trying to sabotage the town or anything).
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On February 26 2010 09:24 XeliN wrote: Ah wasnt even able to vote, silly mistake. Btw if johnny is mafia like he states and also gambino like he states would the other family simply not hit him? surely by his still being here that makes him sumiyoshi or am i missing something?
I'm starting to worry about that too. However at this point I don't think we have any reason to not believe him. And anyways, it's not like we don't have other people to lynch. I think it's evident that one of our lynches should be tree.hugger, if for not any other reason, Ver was highly suspicious of him. tree.hugger has yet to make any real contribution to the town, and has made one shaky post about how we should not kill him.
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On February 26 2010 09:40 L wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2010 09:37 Foolishness wrote:On February 26 2010 09:24 XeliN wrote: Ah wasnt even able to vote, silly mistake. Btw if johnny is mafia like he states and also gambino like he states would the other family simply not hit him? surely by his still being here that makes him sumiyoshi or am i missing something? I'm starting to worry about that too. However at this point I don't think we have any reason to not believe him. And anyways, it's not like we don't have other people to lynch. I think it's evident that one of our lynches should be tree.hugger, if for not any other reason, Ver was highly suspicious of him. tree.hugger has yet to make any real contribution to the town, and has made one shaky post about how we should not kill him. I'd say we also need to kill scamp to see if chezinu is legit, but i'm pretty sure the clues today are pretty blatant when it comes to captain drainage. Interestingly enough, the encasement in black goo that I originally thought would be something between meeple and malongo ended up killing meeple and reinforcing the malongo link. Malongo typically posts a lot more than he does. That said, we need to get some credible information on if chez is lying through his teeth at us, which prioritizes scamp over him.
How does killing scamp guarantee us that Chezinu is legit?
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On February 26 2010 11:43 L wrote: 1) Ok.
2) I'm in awe that you wouldn't vote tree.hugger even if you thought on the balance of probabilities that chez was more mafia than scamp.
Would be pretty fucking odd to give us 3 hatters, 2 vets, 2 medics and 1 only dt in a 51 man game.
At this point there's no reason to not vote tree.hugger. Unless someone else steps up as DT then there's no reason to think Chezinu is lying. If there was another DT they'd probably have their own town circle of which we'd probably know about by now.
I could understand thinking L is suspicious, but Chez? C'mon
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On February 26 2010 13:27 XeliN wrote: Chez, can you please provide some sort of info that proves you are the DT
What do you have to lose by doing so?
Read the thread carefully, he's already done so.
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On February 27 2010 08:08 Scamp wrote: I was starting to think that L and I might be two sides of the same coin, but his continual insistence to doing nothing (at least publicly) has doomed him in my eyes. If he's scumhunting in PMs then someone needs to step up and defend him.
He keeps mentioning me as a solid cluelink, even though there's only one clue that's actually solid toward me and even then he admitted that it's more likely to point toward Chezinu. Continually pointing the finger at me is not scumhunting.
I asked Foolishness and L to defend Chezinu over a day ago. Neither has stepped up to offer anything. So let me ask the seven people who are voting for me: why? What makes me the most likely candidate? Is it because L said that some clues point to me?
I've noted how I've been targeted, SERIOUSLY targeted by both mafia families. That claim simply hasn't been countered. I simply ask: where is the suspicion coming from? I am simply a green townie, and my history/actions should prove that.
I have defended Chezinu.
You're only being targeted because there's nobody else to kill right now. Chezinu, L, and myself are honestly trying to figure out who's mafia but the rest of the town is bandwagoning our only DT left (probably) and our clearly innocent Pardoner. From my perspective, I have to weed out the mafia from the rest of the inactive town, and they are all voting together (basically, it's nearly impossible to figure out anything).
I voted for you because L claimed you dying would prove Chezinu innocent. That doesn't hold true anymore. To be honest I don't want to kill you because there are definitely much better targets to go after. However, the entire town mafia included is killing the two most innocent people. I have a choice to vote between you, a DT, and a clearly innocent L. Who do you think I'm going to vote for?
I would gladly like to kill off someone else (amber, tree.hugger, malongo) but that doesn't seem possible. Truth is, there is absolutely no reason to not vote tree.hugger right now. He is the most clear cut mafia member in this town (minus johnnyspazz) and he's been targeted nearly the entire game by lots of innocent people. If you really weren't mafia you should be voting for tree.hugger at the very least. The fact that you haven't makes you much much much more suspicious (along with nearly every other person in this game).
If you want to defend yourself, start by finding mafia for us to kill and stop accusing innocents (Chez and L).
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On February 28 2010 07:11 Chezinu wrote: looks like town is in for another setback...
Couldn't have said that better
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On February 28 2010 08:53 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2010 10:31 L wrote: On that note, I just went and updated foolishnesses old post with the new information we have because of the fact that uh... its a secret.
Time-----------------Action--------------------------------------------------Results 5:57-------------------------------------------------------------------L - 8 votes; redtooth - 5 votes; Ver - 4 votes 5:57------citi.zen (gambino) changes from abstain to redtooth--L - 8 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 4 votes 6:32---------L changes from abstain to Chezinu--------L - 8 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 4 votes 6:41------------decaf changes from Ace to redtooth----L - 8 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 4 votes 6:42-------BM changes from abstain to Chezinu-------L - 8 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 4 votes 7:27-----------------sidesprang votes for L-------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 4 votes 7:28---------d3 changes from redtooth to Chezinu-----L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 4 votes 7:54-----------infundibulum (gambino) votes for Ver--------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 5 votes 7:55---------Nikoner changes from abstain to Ver------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:10----------------Zona abstains--------------------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:45-----------------redtooth claims medic--------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:46------------Ace changes from redtooth to L-----------L - 10 votes; redtooth - 5 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:49-----------------meeple votes for redtooth---------------L - 10 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:52---------------tredmasta changes to Ver----------------L - 10 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 7 votes 8:53------------d3 changes from Chezinu to redtooth---L - 10 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 7 votes 8:55------------Nikoner changes from Ver to abstain----L - 10 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:55---------- Ace changes from L to redtooth--------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 8 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:57---------- Empyrean votes for redtooth-------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 9 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:58----------BM changes from Chezinu to redtooth-----L - 9 votes; redtooth - 10 votes; Ver - 6 votes
so I was looking for the clues pointing to me, but kind of gave up when I saw this and decided to update it.
I don't think it's relevant anymore. Although it kinda shows L is innocent.
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And there's still 3 bodyguards -_-
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On March 01 2010 10:47 Vivi57 wrote: 5. johnnyspazz (gambino) 8. Vivi57 11. XeliN 16. dozko 19. ShoCkeyy 23. Chezinu (dt) 24. Scamp 29. ~OpZ~ 30. sidesprang 33. ohN 34. Abenson 45. Versatile 47. Malongo (bg) 50. Foolishness 51. madnessman
reading the rules right now to see if its possible malongo is the gf and made himself appear as a bg then subbed himself in place of a real bg
That is a legit move. Sugiura did it remember? Versatile also claimed bodyguard (thought I'd mention it since some people seem to not know that)
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On March 01 2010 09:38 johnnyspazz wrote: god damnit ok i thank the medic who saved me
Just to make sure you are claiming you took the hit during the night and had medic protection right? Cause if someone else did they should say so right now.
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Since hardly anyone is posting their thoughts (yes Chez, that includes you), I have taken the time to do some analysis. At this point I would like to call out ~Opz~ as mafia.
Yes, ~Opz~ is mafia.
Let's begin the analysis, starting here:
On February 16 2010 05:10 Caller wrote: People with wise things to say Zato-1, Redtooth (just a lil') Foolishness (especially the part about people spamming shit),~Opz~ I think ~Opz~ always has valid points. I remember when I was running Red Army Mafia that he nailed a lot of people on clues, even if nobody listened to anything he had to say.
everyone else seems to be talking random shit if you ask me ~~~
Here, Caller (let's not forget he is sumiyoshi) calls out ~Opz~ as someone who we should pay attention to because he always has valid points. He also goes on to say that ~Opz~ has good clue analysis. I will pick out a few of ~Opz~ posts from BEFORE Caller made this post:
On February 15 2010 00:13 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 13:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Ver has been the most sensible so far imo
His accusation of bloodycobbler is based on a change in bc's posting strategy and not the loose and broad clues from Day 1. He's advocating keeping the clues in mind until they become effective later in the game: a reasonable assertion.
I also think we should be using these clues to profile the mafia, rather than starting analytical arguments/trying to accuse anyone already. It seems a bit suspicious that L is already trying to paint Ace red based on the clues when all of the experienced players are saying that using day 1 clues to lynch/accuse is just stupid. Well, L did have a point Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 13:46 L wrote:
Which brings me to another point; With 20 mafia, how often do you think we'll be revisiting the same characters? Incog can't exactly include every mafia member in each day post if it's three spread to each family, then it would take 4 day posts just to show each member with 1 kill... Show nested quote +
Ace's posting style is a bit arrogant and aggressive for my tastes and I disagree that clues are essentially useless, but his point is fair. Clues, if anything, should be a helping point for our DT's and something used in the late-game
The Red army game I voted like every lynch I could to lynch Ace....Then when I got tired and blew myself up. Ace just has a very abrasive posting style... In that earlier L vs Ace argument, it's easy to put both their sides in perspective. L supports clue analysis, Ace supports behavioral analysis. Goes very good with his piss-you-off personality. Personally, I feel it may be weak to lynch Ace off the bat. Dr. H is who I'm looking at...Him and Chezinu flooding the thread.
On February 15 2010 11:29 ~OpZ~ wrote: L and Ace do this every game, it's best just to ignore them both until L starts clue analysis. That's when you pay attention to L. We all just bandwagon with Ace. They are only good when they agree. L just doesn't have the same support as Ace for some reason... In both examples, we do not see any of the illustrious clue analysis ~Opz~ is apparently praised for. All he does is talk about the arguments between Ace and L. In fact, he hasn't made a single useful post at this point contradictory to what caller said.
~Opz~ next appears on Ver's inactive list. After that, we get some of ~Opz~ clue analysis:
On February 18 2010 03:58 ~OpZ~ wrote: I give you Xelin
vs. Abomination
Seem pretty similar in my opinion. Xelin's big green guy seems like he could do some damage, like cause big holes, or, (same clue set) jump off roofs, and rip people's heads off....
Not to mention Xelin hasn't said much, not that I have either, but I been a little busy, plus I wanted to wait til day 2...
On February 18 2010 04:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2010 04:22 SugiuraMidori wrote: It is quite apparent, at least to me, that those few on the bottom with little posts, coincide a bunch with many of the people that the town has called out on.
Shikyo... Phrujbaz..
I am suspicious a bit of foolish, but then.. I always am, I'm just not as open about it like L and Ace are with each other.
We also observe there is an obvious gap from L to meeple. So either the top four are trying to stand out enough to not get suspected of the usual mafia inactivity, or are generally concerned townies that want to help more than anyone else in town? That in itself seems suspicious to me.
Also, how many people have been suspected from scamp down, the other slight break in post counts?
Scamp, Vivi57, Abenson, etc.
P.S. You're welcome, Lucas. Well, Shikyo's obsession with metal + the inscription on the handle of the pike? I mean, maybe that just arises from my ignorant view of most metal...
And thus we have the clue analysis which doesn't mean anything (unless you think Xelin might be mafia, which is a possiblity). ~Opz~ had yet to made a contribution to the game, and then when he was called out by Ver and his mafia buddy Caller, proceeded to do some half ass analysis to float under the radar.
Finally, he actually gives the town some somewhat useful analysis:
On February 21 2010 01:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +The rain poured down steadily as darkness fell over the town. Inside an old shack in a deserted part of the town, 789 was content relaxing in the quiet of his bedroom. He could hear the light rain on the top of the roof, but was jolted out of his trance when he heard some panting, a few grunts, and then a loud crash upstairs. 789’s mind raced for a moment, but he was interrupted as the whole second floor of the shack came crashing down from the weight of the water and sewage above, ending his life.
Change of rain? Old shack, but it's two story and the whole floor comes down? Panting, grunting, loud crash. This part made me think of Xelin, but not the rest. Mafia can bring down a whole floor using water and sewage? It happens rather quickly. For obvious Drainage and Sewage. Given how obvious clues have seemed. The cat obviously knocked over something. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=ScampShow nested quote + SugiuraMidori smiled, thinking about the murders that would happen tonight. But it was cold tonight, and she decided to watch the murders from her apartment instead of watching from the tower in the middle of the town. As she turned around, she noticed the light in the background floating slowly to her location. At first she thought the light to be an omen of success, but she was suddenly shocked as the charming light sped up and pierced her skin. She felt a burning sensation, followed by more attacks from the light. A few moments later, SugiuraMidori died as her heart was overloaded from shock.
It was raining earlier... Background light coming at her. Slowly. Floating, Radiant. The light was percieved as an Omen. It was charming. Also able to pierce skin. Laser? Fine pointed. Burned. The light is powerful. Given the rest of the blatanly obvious clues...Hi Shockey? (I keep championing his death, but I'd be wary of this.) Show nested quote + nemY was sitting on his second story balcony, when he saw a dark shape flying in his direction. At first, he thought it was probably a hawk hunting at night, but as the figure converged on his location, nemY noticed that the creature was much larger than he had anticipated. Panicked, he ran inside his house and closed his eyes. But nemY was not safe, and a large boulder crashed through the roof and landed a few feet away from him. He saw the figure screech as it flew overhead, blocking out the moonlight from entering the large hole now in nemY's roof. nemY breathed a sigh of relief, yet was shocked at the damage done to his house. He frantically tried to clean up the mess, fearful that the rest of the roof would cave in. But the attacker returned, dropping another rock through the roof. nemY’s life ended as he flew like a rag doll from the impact of the boulder into the splintered end of a roof beam on the other side of his house.
The hawklike creature was large, dark, and scary. Nemy closed his eyes. Mafia can drop boulders. Screeches. Nemy thought he was safe, this probably isn't important, I just like the false sense of security. =P Flew accross the house with the impact, so it was very hard. I mean, I don't think a boulder would make you bounce, but he hit the roof beam. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=ohNFor his quote. Mentions the sky, hiding, dropping. Show nested quote + At a fork in the road, one of the men took a left turn which meandered down near the river. The old shack at the end of the road looked deserted, but the man was not disturbed. He snuck closely through the shadows, making sure to blend in with the dark river behind him. The shack seemed abandoned, but the man heard some quiet singing emanating from the shack. As he approached the shack, he noticed an emaciated and pale man inside. The Mafioso didn’t feel especially playful tonight, and decided to simply get the job done. He ripped down the thin wall of the shack closest to the river, and lunged at his victim. Shikyo did not move a muscle as a dull fork flew toward his face and plunged into his left temple. However, the killer was shocked to see two bombs explode in the field nearby, and warily began to sneak away from the crime scene as the debris crunched below his feet. When he was but fifty yards away, he heard a large tree fall overhead, smashing the Shikyo’s shack to pieces and turning Shikyo to pulp.
Leisurely. Comfortable. Sneaky, Hides to blend in with the river. He heard singing? (maybe this one is oHn? Who's the pic in Redtooth's profile? Madnessmen to.) ohn's music is trance. Pale man. Too the point. Wtf, ripping walls open again? Near the river side. Where'd the fork come from? Fork, It's dull? He's heavy. Crunching debris. How'd the tree fall? Was it planned? I dunno....Gotta be at work in 18 minutes. I'll come back to do the rest later. I get off in 8 hours though, 12 - 8.
Typical mafia plan. Come in when people are talking about you, make a few posts, disappear again (let's also note that he was already saying things previously mentioned, he didn't bring up any new points). It's also worth to note that this post came after he makes his analysis:
On February 21 2010 03:20 Caller wrote: ~Opz always has good clue analysis. This is something that people should really, really pay attention too -_-
I find it interesting that Caller keeps saying ~Opz~ has good clue analysis, even BEFORE ~Opz~ has even done any the entire game. Knowing Caller and his fanatics he pulls during games, it seems reasonable to assume this is Caller backing up his mafia buddy. When Caller makes his list where he labels all the remaining people, ~Opz~ appears green. No surprise there.
The next point, many many people have called out ~Opz~ as mafia, and these many many people are all dead innocents (this list includes Ver and iaaan and Fishball). Typical mafia plan is to kill people who are suspicious of you. This can be seen in the recent game hosted by Qatol and Ver. Pyrry was mafia, first day Caller and myself both called him out as mafia, and the two of us died first night.
Outside of that ~Opz~ has flown under the radar. In fact, many people who make a list of every person and labels them has left ~Opz~ out (seemingly because they forgot he was in the game. By comparison, these lists usually do not include tredmasta as well). These lists are made from people such as L, Ver, Sugiura, Caller, etc.
The last point, which is where the hard evidence stacks up, is that ~Opz~ has always voted for an innocent to by lynched, with the exception of QS. QS was getting bandwagoned so hard, it's very likely his entire team was voting for him, because nothing could save him since he got rolechecked. Since then, ~Opz~ has always voted for innocents up to and including: redtooth, nemY, iaaan, amber[light].
To summarize, ~Opz~ has had inconsistent posts in the thread. Nearly all his posts have been useless; he has never contributed to the town's effort. He has suspiciously had the support of Caller all game long (even before he was posting much). On top of that, he only comes in to post when called out, or to say a sentence or two then disappear. Lastly, he has been voting as if he were mafia.
LYNCH ~OPZ~
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On March 01 2010 15:23 Vivi57 wrote: wow that's a long post foolishness
I was actually planning on waiting till the day was over then calling for a nightkill of opz. In my mind, his random vote on drH then switching it randomly really soon after is a really good piece of evidence. At first glance, it looks like it distances himself from drH so that when either is killed, they won't be associated, but a deeper look tells otherwise. They just want you to *think* that when in reality, his attempt of separating himself from his fellow scum has failed miserably.
I opted to put scamp and ohn as innocent because I don't think they would mess with their kp this late in the game.
Yes, but it needs to be done. Chezinu is only giving us so much information right now (although killing Opz does not go against anything he has says). We need to crack down on the mafia now, not later.
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On March 01 2010 15:44 Vivi57 wrote: also, it's probably a bad idea to vote for a mafia member then vote *with* him for your other vote
I suppose you are right. I'm just voting for who I think is mafia right now. I know Chez has been suspicious of Shockeyy and I have as well, that's why I have voted for him. But seeing your logic, this might prove Shockeyy innocent (assuming of course that Opz is mafia). I'm going to leave my vote for now but it'll most likely change as the day progresses.
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On March 01 2010 19:11 Scamp wrote: Hey Foolishness, guess what? I just went through all of your posts and it seems to me that the case you made against Opz applies to yourself as well.
Opz made half-ass contributions to the game? Your contributions consist of the last second voting analysis and often stating "NO ONE CARES." By the way, what happened to that analysis? Way to bring it up and then never go back to it again.
Mafia plan: Come in when people are talking about you, make a few posts, disappear again. This is what you said, this is also what you've done. Maybe not to the extent where you only show when people are talking about you, but I noticed Ver pegging you on a small list of Sumiyoshi suspects.
Mafia plan: Kill people who are suspicious of you. Well guess who was killed: Ver. And guess who used Ver's analysis post-death as a reason to go after tree.hugger: You. Interesting. And guess who Ver suspected: You.
Your whole argument against Opz revolves around what Caller said way back early in the game. It really seems to me that Caller was talking about Opz in previous games, but you took it and made a really long argument with it about how he was expected to provide clue analysis. Because one person said so. The only part that seems clear to me is that Opz needs to participate more. That's pretty much it. Except perhaps the voting record.
So Opz hasn't voted for anyone that's mafia with the exception of Quickstriker. Guess who else fits that profile? You. Technically you get points for voting QS over redtooth, and I guess you voted for Bill Murray for mayor despite him not having a snowball's chance at that point. But you still have a highly suspicious record that now needs to be addressed.
Finally, you never explained why you voted for me yesterday other than to say that I'm more likely to be mafia over L and Chezinu. That's not what's wrong. You also mentioned MULTIPLE TIMES that L is CLEARLY INNOCENT and apparently you're trying to brush by that fact. You also were asked MULTIPLE TIMES by me to clarify HOW CHEZINU HAS PROVEN HIMSELF and you've just not addressed that at all.
Also nice contribution by telling J-spazz to just stop posting when he brought something up against Shockeyy.
So let's face it.....you really don't have the right to accuse someone like this when there's a lot of things you simply haven't addressed that have come up against you. I'd like an explanation please.
I can see where you are coming from and why you might think these things. However let me assure you that the cases between Opz and myself are drastically different. For one, you're basically calling me out as the GF since Chezinu inspected me and got townie (and if you still don't believe him then me trying to convince you is useless, so please let me know so I don't waste my time).
My voting record is in no way suspicious compared to this guys. You even mentioned it yourself. Truth is, I didn't think L was mafia, and I didn't want to lynch L because Chezinu told me not to (if you want, I can provide some PM's that would illustrate this point). Apparently Chezinu figured out L was mafia, but thought L was better left alive for now (probably until the numbers evened out). He failed to mention that to me so I was just pushing not to lynch L. To be honest, you convinced me of your innocence yesterday in your defense when people were accusing you. But I was given a choice between lynching you and L, and Chez told me we needed to keep L alive.
Yes, Ver pegged me in a small post of analysis. Well guess what? At this point in the game, nearly everyone has been pegged at some point or another (even Ohn, who the fuck is he?). But I have been way more active than Opz has, especially when it comes to PMing people, you can confirm that with Chez. And most of the reason I haven't posted anything to this effect was because I thought Chezinu had things under control behind the scenes. Well, turns out he doesn't. I was trying to help him out through all this and I figured he knew what he was doing. From what I understand, people are being incredibly stubborn with him and it's clear he does not have things under his grasp.
And the voting analysis I brought up was to show the town that redtooth was innocent way back when (or to help prove his innocence I should say). In my eyes it was clear that doubting he was a medic was foolish, and I didn't want to lynch our mayor medic.
I hope this has cleared some things up. I do have to run and will be back in a few hours so please let me know if I missed anything or can further clarify things. I understand your concern but at this point the town really needs to cooperate in order to win this.
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On March 02 2010 01:32 Scamp wrote: Yes, please provide PMs that illustrate the point of Chez telling you not to lynch L.
anything not bold is PM's from Chez, I labeled who said them for clarity
(Chezinu) I want L to live. I used my abilities.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: (Foolishness) Do you know who you are going to rolecheck tonight? I have a few thoughts if you'd like input (although at this point a gazillion people have already given themself away).
Do you think we should kill L tomorrow? I'm pretty sure he's innocent but I'm worried since pardoner ability can screw up the town.
Also this
(Chezinu) Anyways, I said that I was holding L hostage constantly throughout the thread.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: (Foolishness) Ugh wish you would've told me that >.<
----------------------------------------- Original Message: (Chezinu) I figured he was mafia. I was holding him hostage and I gave him my rolecheck so that gambino could finally get a kill.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: (Foolishness) Did you think he was mafia? -_- Hot damn I was PMing people during the last day telling them to take their votes off of him.
If you inspect someone and find a sumiyoshi, make sure to post it right away. We need to do some serious number balancing.
And I guess Chezinu did say he wanted L as hostage in the thread, obviously nobody took it to heart
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