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I fail to see how DoctorH being green makes Ace red. Or why DoctorH is a good person to lynch.
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@ Ace
Your not being accused of Mafia because your defending yourself. Your hardly defending yourself at all, just saying that other people are dumb. I had not heard of you before this game; I'm new to mafia and TL/starcraft, I'm not accusing you because of your reputation, but because out of everyone you are most likely to be mafia.
People have read the what has been said, I'm sure they can decide if they think Ace should be lynched or not (and thus vote for someone who pledges to lynch him).
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Looking at the list of posts, Decefchicken hasn't posted anything in this thread, all he has done is vote for Ace. Last game I played in which decaf was mafia, he didn't post anything at all either, except for votes. I don't now how he has acted in other games, but his actions of hiding amongst the inactive are the same as last time decaf was mafia, and could point to him being mafia, and by extension point to Ace.
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On February 15 2010 14:37 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 12:36 Iaaan wrote:My posts have been a bit lacking of content so far, I'll try to be a bit more insightful. For the town to win, we do not need to kill mafia; the Mafia‘s own KP will be the greatest weapon against the Mafia. What we, the town, needs to do is prepare for the later parts of the game, when our influence on the game really matters. In order to get ready for when our own KP matters, we need information. People have talked about putting together information, by profiling the clues, making circles of people who are connected to each other, and just watching what people post. The other way I can think of getting information is through lynches; if one person being red incriminates another person, it is more useful for the town to lynch them, again with the idea of controlling the balance between the mafia families in the later game. Other than having information, how can we increase our chance of winning? By killing the experienced Mafia. It makes sense to me that the veteran players are taking charge of their Mafia families. Therefore, while killing random Mafia members at this point may not ultimately benefit the town (you may disagree, but it would really just give an early advantage to one of the Mafia families), killing their leader will help the town. So who, with what I’ve said so far, who is the best person to lynch? Ace. Ace. is organizing one of the Mafia families, and Redtooth is his accomplice. The way I have linked them is through Redtooths post for candidacy. + Show Spoiler +On February 15 2010 06:53 redtooth wrote:enough of this. time to get the ball rolling. please prepare for content because... I AM ANNOUNCING MY CANDIDACY FOR MAYOR PLATFORMI am running for mayor. Some of you may know that I never run for any position regardless of my role, the reasons being similar to the ones Ver listed. However, I am willing to invest enough energy and effort to lead the town to victory. I have participated in enough mafia games and have developed an adequate understanding of the game. My play so far has demonstrated that I am capable of the high level thinking required for mayor of the town. Also, I am a Decision Science major at Carnegie Mellon. I play mafia for a living. THE OTHER CANDIDATESAll of the other veterans running thus far (Ace, BC, L) have too much suspicion surrounding them to be good mayor candidates. Some of the other candidates are either jokes (Chezinu, MasterDana, l10f), or unproven so far in the game (meeple, DrH, citizen). Electing Ver after how the early portion of the elections played out earlier is very very dangerous. I stated earlier that we should not vote for Ver but refrained from explicitly laying out the reasons why. Now that he has outright declared his candidacy, I guess it's time to share my thought process. Quoting an earlier PM I sent to someone: Show nested quote +2/14 16:21
logically it would make sense not to give Ver the "option" to step in and win the election. each mafia family will likely send out one mayor candidate and that makes elections hard enough. that's why we scrutinize the list of mayor candidates so thoroughly. if we give Ver the "option" of becoming mayor, he isn't scrutinized as much and when pressed on the idea that mafia families would push a member to candidacy he could say that he was "forced" into the position. or if a member of the same mafia family would be runner up in the votes then he could just step aside and use that fact later as defence.
now were he to have outright declared candidacy in the first place i wouldn't have minded voting for him. actually i probably would have voted for him. but that thought process would have been much different. he seems like such an attractive candidate now because he's smart and wasn't involved in any of the mess. Ver has, knowingly or unknowingly, taken advantage of the opportunity and halfheartedly declared his candidacy. This is the exact position we wanted to avoid. Before I was planning on running for Mayor, I requested that he withdraw his candidacy but I think just explaining the reasons in public should be enough to show that electing him as mayor is unwise. PRE-EMPTIVE DEFENSESome may be suspicious of me due to my somewhat passionate defense of Ace. As stated before, I have a high degree of respect for Ace and did not want to kill him off due to what I perceived as clue analysis on red herrings. I also don't believe any of the veterans should be killed to "gain interesting insight into how Incognito's clues are going to work" (quoted from [NyC]HoBbes). My late entry into mayoral race shouldn't be regarded with too much suspicion either. Nobody expected the mayor candidates to be caught up in so much shit. I wasn't voted for prior to my announcement so my argument against Ver's candidacy doesn't apply to me. LYNCH CANDIDATEIf elected mayor, I plan on lynching Bill Murray. There are obvious reasons (noted by Chezinu in a previous post) why we should be suspicious of him but there is much more to gain from lynching BM. So far he has presented himself as either a bad mafia or an idiot townie. Of course there is a chance that he flips green when mayor lynched and we waste a lynch but we get rid of a player that has a history of being detrimental to the town and isn't too valuable an asset to the town if he is indeed green. However, in the case that he flips red, we are provided with a wealth of information via the list that he posted. So far Bill has yet to post a legitimate defense, choosing instead to make a string of five or so posts that amounts to a desperate strike back at those that accused him. This makes him highly suspicious in my book. I am planning on checking over his behavior in the last game he played but FUTURE PLANSTo kill the mafia of course. We have to use our lynches to maximum efficiency and somehow get the DTs to broadcast their information without revealing their identity. Later on in the game, clue analysis should be more abundant than ever before because all players (mafia and town-aligned) benefit from the analysis. If Bill Murray flips red then the focus should immediately shift to the list he posted. The most notable oddity in the list was the absence of Ace despite the mountain of suspicion surrounding him. Please also remember that I was on the list. If anything, it would make sense that either both of us are on the list (a mafia defending a fellow mafia), neither of us are on the list (a townie defending a fellow townie), or Ace is on but I'm not (a mistaken townie risking his neck to defend a mafia). It doesn't make sense that I am on the list but Ace is not (a mafia defending a random townie). Please note that my attempt to lynch Bill Murray isn't out of anger towards him due to my name being on the list. So as of now I would place Ace in the same 'group' as Bill Murray. Though I fought hard to defend Ace thus far, he is far from exonerated and L's clue analysis is as solid as you can possibly get with only Day 1 clues. That means, depending on what color Bill flips, Ace becomes highly suspicious once more. Having said all that I feel that we should keep all the veterans alive as long as possible. They are capable of identifying mafia and (whether its through clue analysis or behavior analysis) call out individuals to lynch. Why is this beneficial for the town? Well as I stated earlier, town can't win if mafia takes out town first but at the same time a mafia family can't win unless they kill off the other mafia family. To identify and call out a mafia member in public would mean either the town or the opposing mafia family can kill that person off. Also, anyone who's been mafia before would know that killing off a veteran mafia member doesn't really get rid of their influence (due to reasons I don't want to state publicly). tl;drYou shouldn't vote for other mayor candidates due to various reasons. Vote for me. I am reasonable, logical, and have basic plans with more in the making. Most importantly, I am innocent. Thank you for your time. The things that make me consider him Mafia are his pre emptive defence, lynch candidate, and his future plans. First off, the preemtive defence. Quite simply, this is him justifying his support for Ace. First Redtooth supports Ace, claiming that the Day 1 clues are always useless. Later he wavers slightly in his support, contradicting himself and admitting that the clues may be useful, but now it looks like he has gone back to supporting Ace. This could be a little ambiguous, but I think that complete/blind trust is suspicious, and maybe Redtooth thinks that aswell. This is also significant, because Redtooths main defence against accusations against him, and people linking him to Ace is that Redtooth claims to mistrust Ace, while refusing to provide a reason. As for lynching Bill Murray in order to determine Ace’s roll, this is just silly. I think most of us can see that Bill Murray was being dumb, but not mafia. By saying that Ace is red if BM is red, when BM is obviously green, Redtooth is creating an arbitrary defence for Ace, as well as wasting a lynch on killing a townie that will not give us any useful information. Redtooth also states that we should keep veterans alive; I can’t say this makes him mafia, it sounds reasonable, but I’ve stated my reasons already why keeping veterans alive is not a good strategy. As for other supporting facts, Ace’s posts arguing with L have not actually refuted any of his points, only deflected them by agreeing with Redtooth that Day 1 clues are useless, when I think it is pretty clear that the clues COULD point to Ace. Other people supporting Ace include Decafchicken, who hasn’t said anything, but just voted for Ace (assuming one of the Mafia families candidates are Redtooth and Ace, Ace is the one with more votes, thus the logical one to vote for), and Abenson hasn’t really added anything, only supported Ace IIRC. These peoples connections aren’t solid, and I’m sure there are other people with similar connections, but I haven’t bothered to find them yet. I haven’t covered anything, but many things have already said if you have read through the thread, but I do want to quote this one post: On February 15 2010 12:03 L wrote:
Ace and I, while often opponents, do not typically argue about this we consider irrelevant. If Ace says he thinks clues are worthless, he actually thinks clues are worthless. Many of our arguments come up after the game ends again because neither of us are convinced that our opposite made a good case.
In the current instance, I don't see what Ace's argument is other than "I SET A TRAP BECAUSE EVERYONE WHO AGREES WITH L MUST BE MAFIA". Seems pretty dumb; if you actually set that trap, you'd be going balls deep trying to kill Iaaan.
I agree with many things L has said, the most relevant one being that Ace’s arguments/”trap” are bad, and I support him for saying he may lynch Ace if elected. I was considering voting for citizen, but L is more active, and again I agree with a lot of what he has to say. I can think of a few more reasons that L is the best candidate, but this post is getting pretty long, and my focus is on Ace If anything is unclear/missing, I am happy to talk about that in a later post; I know I haven’t included everything. My last thought, following the theme of getting information for later in the game from out lynch, if Ace is red, it could rule out the other people being accused for the blinding/brightness clues if he flips green, and if he flips red, it gives us a circle of potential Mafia. We win either way. I await your counter arguments; I hope you consider this accusation worthy of a response. listen kid. i'm going to point it out to you again. it's fairly obvious that i'm townie. like very very obvious. so obvious in fact that i'm surprised at the number of people PM'ing me and saying "OH I DONT THINK YOU ARE MAFIA" and either "I AM THIS ROLE" or "WHO DO YOU THINK MAFIA IS" lol. thanks guys. you guys make me blush. for those of you that still don't get it, I AM NOT MAFIA. let's look at the possibilities where i am mafia and why that possibility won't work. - both Ace and I are mafia - Ace is town-aligned and I am mafia Ace and I can't both be mafia. you guys let BM off the hook with the logic that "oh mafia wouldn't let him do something as stupid as that". now think about my actions. i literally went out of my way to defend ace because there were some insights into the clue structure that i felt L wasn't considering it. now if both ace and i were mafia, why would i so blatantly associate myself with ace and create a double target? if anything i can tell ace the same arguments and let him express it himself, letting the mafia family cut their losses with only 1 dead mafia. later on i started to suspect ace of being mafia and stopped defending him, another suspicious event in the eyes of the town but obviously understandable after i explain my reasons. these are all very very very risky plays if i were mafia. the alternative is Ace and i aren't aligned but i am mafia. then reason out why mafia would go out of his way to defend a random townie (or even worse a mafia of the other family). lol i could have done that to earn ace's trust but that's quite a difficult target to trick. that scenario doesn't make any sense at all either. i thought it was so obvious that you guys would understand without me explicitly laying it out but now do you understand why? please understand why... i'm getting sick of this.
Your first paragraph is useless; it cannot be proven, it is not a fact, If its true great, you have some people supporting you. I don't think that shows in the main thread.
You haven't addressed why you became suspicious of Ace, as myself and DoctorH and probably other people have asked; both you and Ace seem to dodge around many points made against you. You also haven't said anything following up your decision to lynch Bill murray; starting to realize it was a mistake? It is also inconsistent how you have warmed up to the idea of clues.
You say its very risky, but considering that fact that your both running in the election, you need to be active/look like you have arguments (and who knows, you could even be trying to find the other mafia family).
Its been said before that the day 1 lynch is always a crapshoot. I'm willing to consider other people, but I haven't seen a better argument for anyone else, I don't think more information can be gained from killing anyone else.
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In addition to DoctorH's post:
I wrote about this in my first long post, I see connections between you, Redtooth, and possibly other people like decefchicken and abenson. and if your red, we can connect you to one of the clues, and thus rule out other people who also fit the same clue. If your green, then it still leaves suspicion on the people who fit the clue.
And I'm going to bed now, no more posts from me for like 12 hours.
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On February 15 2010 17:30 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 15:31 Zato-1 wrote:On February 15 2010 12:15 Bill Murray wrote:
the only problem with your analysis, though, my friend... is that you're already thinking from the perspective of an opposing mafia. Why?
WHY ZATO? Game theory. When you have dynamic decision-making, in which the outcome of my decisions depends upon the decisions you take, the correct way to approach the problem is to determine your optimal course of action first, and once I know what you're going to do and therefore the payoff of each of my own choices, only then do I start looking at what is the optimal course of action for myself. Sorry for the completely off-topic post, but I actually love game theory. Prisoner's dilemma and all that shiz- the very same reasoning that brought me to the conclusion, many pages ago, that mafia will mostly be lurking, so we should focus less on the really active players and more on those who are making shitty, short and content-free posts, and also on those who aren't posting at all. Yes yes, let's please focus on those who aren't contributing. Multiple people have stated that it's going to be very easy for mafia to hide among the shadows this game (mostly due to the large number of people and subsequent lack of posting from a bunch of them). I read these posts where people are saying "oh if so and so is mafia, then x and y are also mafia as well. Or if we kill this person and he turns up green, then these three people must all be mafia". Get real guys, mafia aren't out here sabotaging the election or anything. They are sitting by having fun reading the thread and posting their votes when needed. Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 15:54 Amber[LighT] wrote:
You guys are exhausting your fingers with this Ace bullshit. No one trusts Ace, but we don't all fight him...
Also this whole bill.murray thing should be looked at a bit more carefully. Chezinu and foolishness out of nowhere voting for this guy? And we have about 20 abstains and the highest votes are Ver and Citizen with 4, which is crying for a vote swing from either mafia family.
Also people who post a lot of nonsense should be careful. Just because the someone showed you're posting a lot, doesn't validate your alliance to the town any more than someone who isn't posting a lot. (I'm saying this because reading 20+ pages of bullshit really sucks) Bill Murray is the safest option to be in office as he is the most likely to be on the townside. Chezinu is just as likely, but Chezinu is prone to fuck ups so we don't want to put him in office. And might I suggest the 5 line rule to you as well. If on any post the writer does not produce at least 5 lines of his own creation, don't read the post. Chances are nothing important was said. Nobody Cares Syndrome is affecting many people in this game. Iaaan has never said anything worthwhile this game yet so I'd go ahead and ignore anything he says as well.
I'm noticing this because its me that your are talking about; you are singling me out as a useless poster, when in my view at least, there are plenty of other more useless posters. While I admit alot of my posts were dumb, I have made a few that are worth reading (specifically on page 41), yet you ignore those ones and single me out as an idiot. People will have their own opinion on what this means, and I don't want to revenge accuse, but it is worth pointing out.
In regards to the godfather, it isn't likely for them to choose anyone who will potentially be lynched/killed in the night 1/day 2 post or anyone who may be elected. This basically rules out L, Ace, Redtooth, Empyrean, and some other people who I'm too lazy to think of, but you know who they are. This is important because it makes them good choices for role checks; they are potentially mafia leaders, without protected identities.
(these next few things are less important/useless)
I'm leaning less towards Redtooth being mafia, and by extension a little less towards Ace, but I think that Redtooth has made some reasonable posts. Still suspicious, but I was considering lynching Empyrean instead (even if I'm not sure what information can be gained from killing him, mafia or not), and seeing Ver's post consolidated that.
I see why people (foolishness/Redtooth) were voting for Bill Murray, I'm pretty sure he isn't mafia, but I still don't agree with electing him, with all his useless spamming.
I like Ver and Citi.zens posts/plans.
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On February 16 2010 06:57 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 06:28 L wrote:
Nikoner, not killing someone day 1 is generally a box of dumb. Even if it makes me look bad, its better to have 100% confirmable information for the town to work with regarding associations and whatnot.
My only fear is that ZERO people have pushed back against my claim against emp, and a number of people have tagged along well after i took pains to make it clear i wasn't dropping the accusation. Either one of the mafia teams is using him as a sacrifice to get, say, ver, to look good by supporting my position, or emp is green/blue and afk like a moron. Given his vote, it would seem that he isn't afk, which leads me to believe that killing him will at least give me some information. I'm actually more worried about how much information regarding clue interpretation for this game I can glean from a red or green flip than anything else.
Like i said; Grow some fucking balls. L, I'll nibble... only a bit. The clues we have regarding Emp are that his name has links to light, fire and heaven, but it seems to me that "thinking that an angel had saved the town" is more a manner of speech; a being masked by light is not necessarily the same as an angelic being. Consider BloodyCobbler's profile - plenty of blue-ish light in there, and it seems that he was eager to set you up as super-eager to lynch Ace. I'm curious as to why no one's focusing on the hyena-laughter/psychopathic noises. Madnessman feels pretty red-herring to me, but who else could it be?
To add onto why empyrean might not be the best choice; no one is defending him. If he were mafia, him family wouldn't want him dead, it doesn't seem like sacrificing him would really benefit his family. You would think that if he were mafia, at least someone would try to defend him.
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but you probably wont change your mind in 15 minutes.
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I hope not too many townies are just following the Mafia fucking up the voting.
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I wonder, was the intention to make Redtooth mayor, or was it to make L pardoner? At least 2 of L, Ace, Redtooth, Ver, DrH, BC and Citizen are Mafia. I'm sure at least, that one Mafia family didn't get two people elected.
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On February 16 2010 09:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 09:18 Iaaan wrote:
I wonder, was the intention to make Redtooth mayor, or was it to make L pardoner? At least 2 of L, Ace, Redtooth, Ver, DrH, BC and Citizen are Mafia. I'm sure at least, that one Mafia family didn't get two people elected. Is that everyone who ran? l10f ran quite early on iirc
No, these are the people who had a chance. Maybe you/Ace shouldn't be there; overal not many people voted for either of you. But my logic is, consider the people that the mafia families would put out thinking they would have a chance to win.
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Unless I'm missing something, why would the mafia want to kill Malongo? and either way, that plan only works if the mafia wants it to.
@Redtooth, I think Emp being green shows that Ace was a better target than he was, not that the clues were bad ;p
@L Why Pm Incognito saying you would lynch Emp? lol
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On second thought, the mafia would want to show the town that Redtooth is mafia (if he is mafia), since the easiest way to kill him is through the town lynch, instead of having to kill the BG's first.
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On February 16 2010 13:16 madnessman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 12:41 Malongo wrote:On February 16 2010 12:36 d3_crescentia wrote:On February 16 2010 12:32 Malongo wrote:On February 16 2010 09:50 Ace wrote:
My vote was on redtooth. He claimed Medic. Thats why I took it away. Then I thought about his motive for lying at that point in time and it really didn't matter because Ver wasn't here anyway. So me switching my vote back within a few minutes changed nothing. There's no suspicion there.
Maybe you should bother questioning the people that pushed him from Pardoner -> Mayor. Pardoner is more powerful than Mayor anyway. I disagree here Ace. From mafia pov its direct that knowing all the bgs-> confirmed townies or at least few chances of mafia from the other family + 3 votes is huge. Think about this: this game is more likely to go until 20 players remain unless one family is absolutely demolishing the other. In this case having a mafia having 3 votes and clearing up the targets with the bgs list is lot better than 2 pardons overall. Having a mafia mayor is a huge advantage against the other mafia, having a pardoner *may* save one of your foes but its not like the other mafia cant target him anyways next night. As you see pardoner <<<< mayor for a mafia player. So the point is, what is redtooth going to do about his claim¿ The best way to set this up is : Redtooth self claimed medic declares his target for protection before the night. This way the other family /assuming redtooth is mafia/ has the chance to hit that target and unreveal redtooth. It is win for that family because then they force the town to lynch him if he turns nonmedic, and it is win for that family in case the target survives because they can play knowing that redtooth is not in the other mafia. Thoughts¿ Problem with this is if the declared target is in the same family as those that'll be targeting him - unless they're willing to sacrifice him. Ok. Then we force redtooth to protect a target from the town: me. As you see i cant not be in Redtooths family /if im mafia and so is him/ because that would be stupid. I cant be on the others family IM ASKING TO GET HIT and protected. What about that¿ if redtooth claims protection on me and he should be because that way he can prove himself then i will live. /unless there are stacked hits on me wish will be noted in the number of deaths/ If i die redtooth is mafia. THOUGHTS¿¿¿¿ There are many many flaws to this plan. HOWEVER I do believe it will work *IF* the mafia team that does not have Malongo or redtooth on their roster were to hit Malongo tonight, and none of the medics (aside from redtooth obviously) protects him! Reason why: Let's say 1. redtooth is MAFIA A and Malongo is TOWNIE - Mafia A doesn't hit Malongo. Mafia B hits Malongo. Malongo dies. We know that redtooth is not actually a medic and a member of Mafia A! -> this info = good for both Mafia B and the town, bad for Mafia A 2. redtooth is a MEDIC and Malongo is MAFIA A - Mafia A doesn't hit Malongo. Mafia B hits Malongo. redtooth saves Malongo. Mafia B now knows that redtooth is actually a medic and NOT a member of Mafia A! -> this info = good for Mafia B (Town remains ignorant as it has no way of knowing for certain that a hit was placed on Malongo.) 3. redtooth is MAFIA A and Malongo are MAFIA A - Mafia A doesn't hit Malongo. Mafia B hits Malongo. Malongo dies. We now know redtooth is not actually a medic and a member of Mafia A! -> this info = good for both Mafia B and the town, bad for Mafia A 4. redtooth is a MEDIC and Malongo is TOWNIE - Mafia A hits Malongo. Mafia B hits Malongo. redtooth saves Malongo. But because he got 2 hits does he die??? Ok, so DISREGARDING SCENERIO 4 because I'm unsure what happens in that case, if you are on a mafia team and redtooth is NOT on your roster... placing a hit on Malongo will benefit you regardless of whether he dies/does not die. (you'll have info on whether the mayor is on the opposite mafia team or is an actual medic.) and 2/3 of the proposed scenarios will benefit the town as well. Think about it mafia people ;D On a sidenote, in the case of scenerio 4, let's say malongo were to be saved despite having 2 hits (1 from each mafia team). then it really wouldn't matter since both mafia teams will still be on equal ground since they both used a hit on malongo.
5/6. Redtooth and Malongo are medic/townie, and either 1 mafia hits malongo, or neither mafia do.
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On February 17 2010 06:30 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2010 06:20 citi.zen wrote:On February 17 2010 03:16 nemY wrote:
I tallied up the list of ppl who made vote swaps. I may have made a mistake or two (in which case could someone double check it please?), but I feel like this may give a better clue to who our mafia may really be, and at least it it allows us to do some analysis, rather than say... making a list of ppl you "feel" are mafia
Chezinu 5x
DoctorHelvetica 3x
MasterDana 1x
[NyC]HoBbes 1x
789 2x
Bill Murray 6x
BloodyC0bbler 1x
tree.hugger 1x
Fulgrim 1x
Nikoner 2x
Ace 2x
Caller 2x
Decafchicken 1x
d3_crescentia 3x
citi.zen 2x
meeple 1x
sidesprang 1x
SugiuraMidori 1x
Empyrean 1x (he’s dead now though)
1. Why would you count abstaining as a "switch"? I only voted for DrH and RT, yet I have a 3x. 2. This post is completely void of content, yet is took some effort on your part (just not serious thinking about what and why you are going through the motions). Exactly the sort of thing that smacks of a bad attempt to "blend in" from a semi-active mafia member. Apparently not, I switched my vote from abstain and I'm not on the list. This is a very inconsistent list and someone should go through and try to make it official. However I think what needs to be paid attention to is the time's that people make their switch. If players are switching votes at key moments during the day (i.e. to put one player ahead of another) or if we see a random group of people all vote at once, this needs to be documented and taken note of. I really hope people read Ver's post about spamming the thread. And I hope people also read what I've said on this matter. Nobody Cares Syndrome is spreading fast throughout this mafia game, and it's only hurting the town. Although I suggest anything less than 5 lines of written text be ignored or forbidden. Heaven forbid we all have to read through 20 pages of posts every time we check on the thread. The fact that people are spamming is contributing to the fact that some people are inactive. There are definitely players in this game who are usually contributing or posting more than they are right now. What is probably the case, is that they don't want to read through a couple dozen of pages. This is bad because these people get thrown into the "inactives" and are now near the top of the suspects list. In reality, these people are just intimidated by the number of posts they have to read through, which contributes to the number of inactive people altogether. Separating these groups of people will ultimately help us find the mafia. Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 13:24 Iaaan wrote:
5/6. Redtooth and Malongo are medic/townie, and either 1 mafia hits malongo, or neither mafia do.
Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 13:05 Iaaan wrote:
On second thought, the mafia would want to show the town that Redtooth is mafia (if he is mafia), since the easiest way to kill him is through the town lynch, instead of having to kill the BG's first. oh hey guess what? NOBODY CARES!
Again you single me out when there are plenty of other useless people. How about you, are your posts really useful? Your first paragraph address useless list. Your second one repeats what you have posted 2 or 3 times already in the thread, and your 3rd paragraph again just bashes useful points. Real nice contribution, a longer useless post. Maybe your not scum tho, you could just not like me. lol.
I'm going to hold up on other suspicions until Chezinu makes a post about his night actions. Although with that said, I lack faith in him making a real post.
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On February 20 2010 10:17 Caller wrote:
So here are the mayoral candidates:
BloodyC0bbler dead townie
citi.zen
l10f
meeple dead townie
Ver
Ace dead townie
redtooth
Bill Murray dead townie
DoctorHelvetica dead sumiyoshi
So now we're down to citi.zen, l10f, Ver, and redtooth. I'm betting at least one of these guys is scummy. I doubt it's Ver, redtooth's been afk, citi.zen's still been contributing, and l10f has been afk. meh
I would contribute more but watching people play SC2 is just too big of a priority right now -_-
maybe more thinking later
interesting how you left L out, and L fails to correct you. I think we established that pardoner would be the role the mafia would want. How suspicious o:
Also, I voted for decafchicken because he is acting the exact same way he did the last game I played with him when he was mafia. I don't think hes the best person to vote for, I think that Scamp probably is. I will change my vote to scamp if things get close towards the end.
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I kinda feel behind on clue analysis, was this potential clue:
On February 14 2010 07:43 Incognito wrote:
The horses neighed, and the first horseman charged dreamflower, spear aimed low at her gut.
ever linked to anyone?
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On February 21 2010 09:07 L wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2010 09:06 redtooth wrote:On February 21 2010 09:04 L wrote:On February 21 2010 09:01 redtooth wrote:
ok L is pushing for my death but i'm no good at clue analysis so i can't really find an alternative for the stain clue. but i can offer my somewhat overused WIFOM defense and must say that i am sort of sick of people demanding my head. besides, your clue analysis for me was sort of weak this time.
if you look through the thread i wanted both mystlord and DrH dead. i know these aren't the best defenses but i'm still thinking through the events that have happened. if i'm mafia you guys are screwed anyways because i'm so gosu.
time for some important information. get your pens ready becaaaause:
SugiuraMidori was one of the bodyguards. I'm still trying to think through the reasoning for that but I assume it's to get into a town circle. On that note, the Gambinos are retarded and are trying to kill town. do that later idiots, go kill the other family before they kill you.
i do agree that we should get a double lynch going tomorrow. and unless there is some ridiculous coincidence involving inactivity and a vet or medic, Ver is logically cleared to be vet. you guys are safe with him as far i can tell. if you have any questions or possible scenarios where ver isn't blue then by all means PM me an we can think it through.
also, the scamp lynch is bullshit. he shuts up regardless of his color. treehugger is broadcasting 10000x more tells than scamp. if i have time i'll get you more analysis on his posts. but tonight we can hope mafia goes and kills scamp/johnnyspazz and doesn't pull another night 1. treehugger you are scum. go to sleep.
on a side note, i'll be on now but my activity won't be nearly as high as before. the weekend and first part of this week is going to be busy. So, uh, how do you know that its the gambinos hitting the town? Please be detailed and make it quick. well they wanted to be in the town circle. they gave GF to SM, who's only known to post lists, and put him in BG position. i would assume the only reason why is to get a list of blues and knock them out. and yes i was intentionally being provocative in my last post. That's the wrong answer. You just admitted to being mafia. Thanks.
I think I missed something, how does this prove redtooth is mafia? not that I don't suspect him, but I don't see how this proves he is mafia.
On February 21 2010 09:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I certainly agree.
As for me posting; I've been moving and such so I can only come online when go to my girlfriends house. I really haven't been able to be active that much, but I'm still reading and doing my own clue analysis. But, damn, DrH? I seriously thought he would of been a blue :\ At least I was hoping he was.
And what I see here is someone trying to take suspicion off of themselves.
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In support of Redtooth's lynch, as a member of the sumiyoshi family, it is consistent with his candidacy campaign. First the Sumiyoshi family put up DoctorH to get elected, however if you look at the voting history, you will see that that DoctorH peaked at 4 votes, and at the end had only 2 votes. He obviously didn't have a chance of becoming elected, and seeing this, the sumiyoshi family puts up redtooth to become elected. Redtooth announced that he was running very late, after it became clear that DoctorH didn't have a chance. This defiantly points to redtooth being red.
The interesting thing is, that this still leaves a member of the Gambino family as one of the election candidates. Looking at the remaining candidates, l01f had random support for no reason at the start, but he still never really had a chance. Citi.zen had similar support, and had plenty of votes at one point, but really, L is the most likely to be the Gambino family member; he got the role of pardoner, the role that could save the Gambino family in the later parts of the game.
Redtooth is a member of the Sumiyoshi family, and L is a member of the Gambino family.
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