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Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
January 23 2010 04:30 GMT
#1001
On January 23 2010 13:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If I'm wrong and we can double lynch today, I favor using it.

You cannot double lynch today. You can vote today for a day 3 double lynch.
Uff Da
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 23 2010 04:32 GMT
#1002
On January 23 2010 13:13 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
From the darkness, a figure appeared just outside the garage, advancing on him with what looked like a sledgehammer. The figure moved quickly, wearing a large helmet resembling an old rusty pail.


This seems waaaay too specific to be accidental.


God damn it, I can't figure it out. The closest thing is Ng5, via knight - helmet - scepter / hammer. That's weaker than the Hobbes connection I would think.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 23 2010 04:50 GMT
#1003
Wow. That was quite a bad night for us... 2 Blues. The Billy Murray loss is understandable if he was telling a few people his role, but losing blue_arrow as a body guard seems so random. I browsed the clues and caught up on in reading in general.

I agree with a lot of people that the olympian reference and the profile picture of flamewheel is a solid connection. That would be my lynch vote for the time being. I'll have to take a closer look at the clues though.
Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk Cafe! He's the next Jaedong, baby!
789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 23 2010 05:20 GMT
#1004
On January 23 2010 13:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 13:04 citi.zen wrote:
Jayme has a cat, Hobbes the tiger, Hyperbola a squid (?)

Could kane]deth[ by a suspect for Bill killing too? kane = sledge-hammer, used to kill Bill?


kane]deth[ = death by sledgehammer?

that fits a little bit. I still think we should lynch flamewheel91 today and then hold off on a double lynch until it can reduce mafia kp


I thought about the kane]deth[ thing. What I found could actually be interesting.
A meaning of kane
It is apparently a musical instrument that is vaguely bucket shaped, though not very deep. So I looked at a few more pictures just doing a google image search and it appears they can be made deeper than the one shown on the wikipedia page. Additionally, a kane is played with mallets. While admittedly not exactly sledge hammers, I think it is close enough for consideration.

I also like the flamewheel/olympian reference still.
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meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 23 2010 05:23 GMT
#1005
On January 23 2010 14:20 789 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 13:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 23 2010 13:04 citi.zen wrote:
Jayme has a cat, Hobbes the tiger, Hyperbola a squid (?)

Could kane]deth[ by a suspect for Bill killing too? kane = sledge-hammer, used to kill Bill?


kane]deth[ = death by sledgehammer?

that fits a little bit. I still think we should lynch flamewheel91 today and then hold off on a double lynch until it can reduce mafia kp


I thought about the kane]deth[ thing. What I found could actually be interesting.
A meaning of kane
It is apparently a musical instrument that is vaguely bucket shaped, though not very deep. So I looked at a few more pictures just doing a google image search and it appears they can be made deeper than the one shown on the wikipedia page. Additionally, a kane is played with mallets. While admittedly not exactly sledge hammers, I think it is close enough for consideration.

I also like the flamewheel/olympian reference still.


Nice find... it looks exactly like a cross between a hat and a bucket..
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
January 23 2010 05:23 GMT
#1006
Well, so coming back I find that I'm the prime suspect now (it's actually quite exciting!) though somewhat saddening as well.

Yes, the Olympic runner thing is quite strong--I agree. That picture I've chosen was specifically from the Beijing 2008 Olympics after Googling "Beijing Man"--one of my nicknames at school. I really don't have that much to say in my defense, other than point out that the Olympic reference, albeit strong, being the only thing convicting me. The people who have more free time on their hands, I would urge you to check more clues, seeing as if there is one 'solid' connection to any other person(s), that would somewhat invalidate the fact that I have one solid connection as well to being tied in with the mafia members.

Things I would like people to look into further (or stuff I will look at if I have the time / life: P)

"Walking home from the post-election celebration, a slightly tipsy blue_arrow was whistling tunelessly to himself in the violet dusk. After a block or two, he noticed the sound of someone shuffling behind him. Though unnerved, he tried to shrug it off and started walking faster. The shuffling did not speed up in response, and blue_arrow felt safer the further he walked from his follower. As the streetlamps flickered on one by one, he took a quick peek behind him. One glimpse of his follower's frightening appearance was enough to clear his mind and convince him the Mafia was after him. Blue_arrow took off running. Sweat dripped off his forehead and fear spurred him to achieve near-Olympian speed as he sprinted for his life. He flew past several blocks in a few minutes, but always he could hear his attacker plodding relentlessly after him. Finally, the exhausted blue_arrow slumped against a lamppost, so worn out by his headlong dash that he couldn't move another step. All he could do was watch with mounting dread as his entirely unperturbed attacker caught up to blue_arrow and strangled him to death."

Streetlamps are mentioned twice--first while Blue_arrow is running and second when he tires out and slumps.

Smaller and less noticeable but maybe containing clues: the "violet" dusk, the alcohol (tipsiness), and the tuneless whistling.

Furthermore, I'm aware of bandwagoning and the snowball effect, so I'm fairly certain it would be quite hard for me to change most peoples' minds, seeing as how most of the active posters (and mayor and sheriff, darn this town is stacked against me) are against me. Being as such that I won't be back until 8:30 p.m. tomorrow from the Duke tournament, I won't have much time to defend myself between now and then.

All in all, if you want to lynch me next--go ahead. Tritely put, I'll turn up green. (And it would really suck to be the miller my first game.) It's been very interesting reading what everybody has put up and I do not believe I am the most active, probably having only around 20 posts on this thread at this point.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 23 2010 05:25 GMT
#1007
Kane:
[image loading]
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 23 2010 05:27 GMT
#1008
On January 23 2010 14:23 flamewheel91 wrote:
Well, so coming back I find that I'm the prime suspect now (it's actually quite exciting!) though somewhat saddening as well.

Yes, the Olympic runner thing is quite strong--I agree. That picture I've chosen was specifically from the Beijing 2008 Olympics after Googling "Beijing Man"--one of my nicknames at school. I really don't have that much to say in my defense, other than point out that the Olympic reference, albeit strong, being the only thing convicting me. The people who have more free time on their hands, I would urge you to check more clues, seeing as if there is one 'solid' connection to any other person(s), that would somewhat invalidate the fact that I have one solid connection as well to being tied in with the mafia members.

Things I would like people to look into further (or stuff I will look at if I have the time / life: P)

"Walking home from the post-election celebration, a slightly tipsy blue_arrow was whistling tunelessly to himself in the violet dusk. After a block or two, he noticed the sound of someone shuffling behind him. Though unnerved, he tried to shrug it off and started walking faster. The shuffling did not speed up in response, and blue_arrow felt safer the further he walked from his follower. As the streetlamps flickered on one by one, he took a quick peek behind him. One glimpse of his follower's frightening appearance was enough to clear his mind and convince him the Mafia was after him. Blue_arrow took off running. Sweat dripped off his forehead and fear spurred him to achieve near-Olympian speed as he sprinted for his life. He flew past several blocks in a few minutes, but always he could hear his attacker plodding relentlessly after him. Finally, the exhausted blue_arrow slumped against a lamppost, so worn out by his headlong dash that he couldn't move another step. All he could do was watch with mounting dread as his entirely unperturbed attacker caught up to blue_arrow and strangled him to death."

Streetlamps are mentioned twice--first while Blue_arrow is running and second when he tires out and slumps.

Smaller and less noticeable but maybe containing clues: the "violet" dusk, the alcohol (tipsiness), and the tuneless whistling.

Furthermore, I'm aware of bandwagoning and the snowball effect, so I'm fairly certain it would be quite hard for me to change most peoples' minds, seeing as how most of the active posters (and mayor and sheriff, darn this town is stacked against me) are against me. Being as such that I won't be back until 8:30 p.m. tomorrow from the Duke tournament, I won't have much time to defend myself between now and then.

All in all, if you want to lynch me next--go ahead. Tritely put, I'll turn up green. (And it would really suck to be the miller my first game.) It's been very interesting reading what everybody has put up and I do not believe I am the most active, probably having only around 20 posts on this thread at this point.


If not yourself... then who?
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
January 23 2010 05:30 GMT
#1009
On January 23 2010 14:27 meeple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 14:23 flamewheel91 wrote:
Well, so coming back I find that I'm the prime suspect now (it's actually quite exciting!) though somewhat saddening as well.

Yes, the Olympic runner thing is quite strong--I agree. That picture I've chosen was specifically from the Beijing 2008 Olympics after Googling "Beijing Man"--one of my nicknames at school. I really don't have that much to say in my defense, other than point out that the Olympic reference, albeit strong, being the only thing convicting me. The people who have more free time on their hands, I would urge you to check more clues, seeing as if there is one 'solid' connection to any other person(s), that would somewhat invalidate the fact that I have one solid connection as well to being tied in with the mafia members.

Things I would like people to look into further (or stuff I will look at if I have the time / life: P)

"Walking home from the post-election celebration, a slightly tipsy blue_arrow was whistling tunelessly to himself in the violet dusk. After a block or two, he noticed the sound of someone shuffling behind him. Though unnerved, he tried to shrug it off and started walking faster. The shuffling did not speed up in response, and blue_arrow felt safer the further he walked from his follower. As the streetlamps flickered on one by one, he took a quick peek behind him. One glimpse of his follower's frightening appearance was enough to clear his mind and convince him the Mafia was after him. Blue_arrow took off running. Sweat dripped off his forehead and fear spurred him to achieve near-Olympian speed as he sprinted for his life. He flew past several blocks in a few minutes, but always he could hear his attacker plodding relentlessly after him. Finally, the exhausted blue_arrow slumped against a lamppost, so worn out by his headlong dash that he couldn't move another step. All he could do was watch with mounting dread as his entirely unperturbed attacker caught up to blue_arrow and strangled him to death."

Streetlamps are mentioned twice--first while Blue_arrow is running and second when he tires out and slumps.

Smaller and less noticeable but maybe containing clues: the "violet" dusk, the alcohol (tipsiness), and the tuneless whistling.

Furthermore, I'm aware of bandwagoning and the snowball effect, so I'm fairly certain it would be quite hard for me to change most peoples' minds, seeing as how most of the active posters (and mayor and sheriff, darn this town is stacked against me) are against me. Being as such that I won't be back until 8:30 p.m. tomorrow from the Duke tournament, I won't have much time to defend myself between now and then.

All in all, if you want to lynch me next--go ahead. Tritely put, I'll turn up green. (And it would really suck to be the miller my first game.) It's been very interesting reading what everybody has put up and I do not believe I am the most active, probably having only around 20 posts on this thread at this point.


If not yourself... then who?


At this point, I am not sure, which is why I am not making that big of a point to defend myself. Logic is rewarded in this game, even if it turns out to false, and I haven't had but 15 minutes to read everything and start to look for clues.

Considering the day is 48 hours though, I want to ask people to at least hold off on their decisive choice until later on.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
January 23 2010 05:31 GMT
#1010
On January 23 2010 14:25 meeple wrote:
Kane:
[image loading]


And this is not as strong of a correlation?
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 23 2010 05:31 GMT
#1011
Actually... you know... I kinda hate this bandwagoning thing going on, and people aren't thinking clearly. There's a much better fit:

tredmaster - a solid, plodding pace... untiring... catches up with you no matter what... Blue-master was the guy running at near Olympic speed, not the killer...
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 23 2010 05:35 GMT
#1012
err... tredmasta
789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 23 2010 05:35 GMT
#1013
I'm going to have to agree with flamewheel at least on one account, we still have almost 48 hours left before the voting is finished. We should still give full effort on analyzing everything else. The more possible connections we find the better.

As for now, I've got about an hour drive back home to embark on. I may hop back on when I get home.
Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk Cafe! He's the next Jaedong, baby!
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
January 23 2010 05:53 GMT
#1014
Things for people to consider:
1) Bodyguard was sniped. Now, that could be attributed to a lucky shot. Or, could it be something else? Who knows the identities of the bodyguards? Could that play a part in the death of Blue_arrow?

2) As "solid" (oh man I'm so sarcastic with these words) as the connection of plodding <=> tredmasta is, once again it is one clue (just as there was one clue pointing to me). Once again, I'd advocate being totally objective and not just go crazy on that. If we do believe clues are pertinent, our detective(s) (hoping there were more than two...) should be using their clue checks if they already haven't. Lay off on the PMs, since that seemed to get Bill Murray killed, and I would say we should probably get a rolecheck used, since right now they may be more beneficial than later in the game, where the chance of striking the godfather is much higher. Also, DTs should use them before they die (RIP Bill.)

3) Meeple's picture of kane has me (somewhat) sold. Pots and hammers make for a pretty odd killing outfit, and both seem to fit the clue, as well as whatever random tie-in to kane]deth[ was made on the first day. I will be investigating.

4) Being the defendant, I am immediately suspicious of those who just bandwagoned/called for the double lynch. StimiLant and ghote have been pretty inactive as far as I can remember, and both just recently popped up either calling for my head or for the double lynch.

I would like to call out ghote, since he has been one of (many) of my primary "antagonists."

On page 49, he commentates on the Olympic reference:
"i say we use a double lynch and take both flamewheel91 and Hobbes
Hobbes comes up with obvious connections to the clues left behind, and i believe that the profile picture for flamewheel91 fits in very well with the first set of clues, (Olympian)(the man is a runner, or a track and field athlete)
i find these two people to be prime candidates for lynching, and with the heavy loses we had on night one we need to take a strike back at the mafia today"

Which is to say, he has read what people have been saying about the one clue leading to me. However, on the next page he immediately says:

Ghote writes, on page 50:
"there have been multiple clues leading to flamewheel and hobbes as long as one of them is lynched our lives will be better,"

Seeing as how there's been one such clue leading to me, I challenge you to find another one in the text. Sounds like you're just on the wagon.

Furthermore, on page 49 he iterates:
"well regardless of the actions of Bill we need to decide who to lynch today"

As I and others have noted, there are 48 hours to decide on who to lynch. Why so hasty?

Next, StimiLant--has been accused himself, really hasn't defended, nobody has really followed up on that. Resurfaces to call for the double lynch and to call for lynching me. I will be checking your trail.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
StimiLant
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States534 Posts
January 23 2010 06:02 GMT
#1015
alright flamewheel your rebuddle makes a lot of sense and i hate to be fickle but i will abstain till later, as for me mafia? dude seriously if ur green then i am also green seriously.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 23 2010 06:05 GMT
#1016
On January 23 2010 15:02 StimiLant wrote:
alright flamewheel your rebuddle makes a lot of sense and i hate to be fickle but i will abstain till later, as for me mafia? dude seriously if ur green then i am also green seriously.


The tea -> Stimulated link is probably one of the weakest
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
January 23 2010 06:06 GMT
#1017
On January 23 2010 15:02 StimiLant wrote:
alright flamewheel your rebuddle makes a lot of sense and i hate to be fickle but i will abstain till later, as for me mafia? dude seriously if ur green then i am also green seriously.


I never said you were mafia--other people have. What I was saying is that there is an inconclusive posting trail that has been left by/for you. Perhaps you are green and just inactive (like I somewhat am). I thank you for showing some sense though in this last post rather than just continuing to scream for my head.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
January 23 2010 06:07 GMT
#1018
On January 23 2010 15:05 meeple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 15:02 StimiLant wrote:
alright flamewheel your rebuddle makes a lot of sense and i hate to be fickle but i will abstain till later, as for me mafia? dude seriously if ur green then i am also green seriously.


The tea -> Stimulated link is probably one of the weakest


And as we've all said, most day 1 links are thought to be pretty weak. Even the "strongest" one linking Hobbes to mafia isn't that strong overall.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
StimiLant
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States534 Posts
January 23 2010 06:08 GMT
#1019
yes, the clue was inconclusive as i see in your post, as for potential mafia theres like four candidates
510Sushi
Profile Joined October 2008
Azerbaijan331 Posts
January 23 2010 06:14 GMT
#1020
flamewheel for one "there have been multiple clues leading to flamewheel and hobbes as long as one of them is lynched our lives will be better" there have been multiple clues to flamewheel and Hobbes, please read the whole quote next time you come at me with this kind of accusation.
there is only one quote leading to you, i have not stated otherwise, it is the fact that this one clue is so resounding with aspects of your profile that i have strong beliefs that you are ether mafia, or a miller, it is the safe bet to go with the first option.
secondly if you look back at some of my previous posts on day 1 i have advocated for the lynch of Hobbes so using the argument of bandwagoning on this double lynch is purely based upon your speculation.
(and i ment today as in game days not right this minuet ^^)
all in all i believe that you are linked directly to the clue left behind in this murder, and because of that correlation, you deserve to be lynched
i am the ghote
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