Yeah I am at work right now as well.
Well I have a really out there suggestion, that would be pretty hard to implement. The only connection I can fathom off #2 from the day 1 clues would be thin knife = surgical knife, involving DoctorH. A detective could do a "does clue x point to y" check on it. The problem is we have no reliable way to relay this information. This could also backfire and lead to lynching a green/blue sherrif.

It's an idea ... probably not a very good one.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 22 2010 17:27 GMT

#844

I actually like that a lot.

I guess a clue-check in these cases is better than a role-check, since the godfather cannot hide their role?

789

United States959 Posts

January 22 2010 17:27 GMT

#845

Also as the sherrif, DoctorH cannot be role checked.

StimiLant

United States534 Posts

January 22 2010 17:30 GMT

#846

the role checks are limited no? clue checks are unlimited so they would be better in early stage of game ?

789

United States959 Posts

January 22 2010 17:32 GMT

#847

Also the problem with my idea is the relay of information.

A mafia could say DoctorH is red to get him lynched. If he flips green/blue the person who relayed the information becomes a lynch target. He could be mafia or innocent, duped by the mafia.
A detective could follow through on this, send his PM to a mafia. This could potenially cost us a detective AND sherrif.
If DoctorH ends up being lynched and flips red, the person who relays the information is a target to be hit. Whether the detective himself or the person he sent a PM too.

StimiLant

United States534 Posts

January 22 2010 17:33 GMT

#848

i thought sheriff, mayor, godfather cant be role checked? maybe i am mistaken

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 22 2010 17:34 GMT

#849

Yes, but there is something to be said about learning early on who to trust. If dt's are duplicating each other's work, talking to the wrong people and getting killed, we're in bad shape later in the game.

StimiLant

United States534 Posts

January 22 2010 17:36 GMT

#850

how will the dts work together if anyone can lie and say they are dt and really are mafia?

789

United States959 Posts

January 22 2010 17:38 GMT

#851

On January 23 2010 02:33 StimiLant wrote:
i thought sheriff, mayor, godfather cant be role checked? maybe i am mistaken

I'm suggesting a "does clue x point to y" check not a role check.

I'm not sure about my suggestion really. It is high risk - high reward. I'm not sure the risk is worth it. And if I were in the shoes of the detective or person who receives a PM from a "detective" I'm not sure how I would act.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 22 2010 17:39 GMT

#852

On January 23 2010 02:32 789 wrote:
Also the problem with my idea is the relay of information.

A mafia could say DoctorH is red to get him lynched. If he flips green/blue the person who relayed the information becomes a lynch target. He could be mafia or innocent, duped by the mafia.
A detective could follow through on this, send his PM to a mafia. This could potenially cost us a detective AND sherrif.
If DoctorH ends up being lynched and flips red, the person who relays the information is a target to be hit. Whether the detective himself or the person he sent a PM too.

Right, which is why it is critical to remain calm and not overreact as a detective, even if you find juicy information. Only share with people you are really sure you can trust, then jointly decide how to proceed.

StimiLant

United States534 Posts

January 22 2010 17:40 GMT

#853

yeah high risk is that if u find out reds how do u relay good info to the town without mafia killing u in the night phase

789

United States959 Posts

January 22 2010 17:41 GMT

#854

I guess, but at this point who can the detective be sure to trust. I'm not sure there is anyone who is definitely trust worthy at this point.

789

United States959 Posts

January 22 2010 17:42 GMT

#855

On January 23 2010 02:40 StimiLant wrote:
yeah high risk is that if u find out reds how do u relay good info to the town without mafia killing u in the night phase

You would have to know who the medics are too. Get some protection for the person who relays the information. This would imply that there is no deceipt in the relay, which obviously can't be gauranteed. And it would be impossible to know who the medics are at this point.

StimiLant

United States534 Posts

January 22 2010 17:43 GMT

#856

at this phase of game the dts might need to lay low, i dunno but if mafia hit them we could get screwed cause they said nothing, huge catch 22

789

United States959 Posts

January 22 2010 17:46 GMT

#857

Yeah, it is all so volatile at this point. A critical mistake this early could cost us the game in the long run. That is why I'm a big advocate of sitting tight and weathering the night 1 hits and hoping the day 2 clues are of value.

789

United States959 Posts

January 22 2010 17:46 GMT

#858

Though I do suggest the blues read all of this and take it into consideration on how best to use their powers during night 1. Be careful what you do with the information you learn though.

StimiLant

United States534 Posts

January 22 2010 17:49 GMT

#859

best case scenario would be mafia hitting three greens? gosh that sucks... night one can be devastating @_@

789

United States959 Posts

January 22 2010 17:52 GMT

#860

Best case scenario would be the medics choosing who to protect wisely. I estimate there is 2 medics. So if massive amounts of luck is on our side they can stop 2 hits. Though I think this would only afford us 1 clue. I think the exchange of only 1 dead member and 2 sets of 2 people who can definitely trust eachother is fair for only 1 clue though.