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Ace, I gave you the opportunity to wagon the medic. Don't say I don't love you.
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L
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Ace, I gave you the opportunity to wagon the medic. Don't say I don't love you. | ||
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Chezinu
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nemY
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Ace
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On January 11 2010 15:39 L wrote: Ace, I gave you the opportunity to wagon the medic. Don't say I don't love you. why would I kill RoL who amazingly was the only other person to call Judge's BS? Anyone claiming Day 1 should be scrutinized because...we've been through this like 5 games already. Especially MEDIC of all roles. | ||
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Malongo
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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On January 11 2010 15:38 L wrote: Well, that does indeed explain everything. RoL I'm surprised you didn't realize we were going to kill him given that you knew he wasn't a medic because of your role. I figured you would aim for Chezinu until he found NemY then it seemed less of a priority. He still could of been GF although I was leaving towards Ace. I knew he wasn't medic and I generally associate lying to mafia. His plan also seemed stupid with a GF role. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On January 11 2010 15:42 Malongo wrote: Imo this was a little underbalanced against mafia. Well they didnt play that good either. we played fine. We just had some weird bad luck moments, and a few good ones. You not killing Judge actually saved the town from a serious situation. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
Next game no medic self protects. Question for everyone about DT checks: should checks be returned when they are asked for or after the day post comes up? Usually I think this hasn't been much of an issue, but this game DT got two mafia in a row and DID decide to claim so I don't know what you guys think about that. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3479 Posts
On January 11 2010 15:47 Incognito wrote: L kept saying that the town should keep checking HeavOnEarth's post, someone (Scamp?) compiled a list but it was ignored. nemY kept questioning the mafia's choice to kill HeavOnEarth day 1, but the town didnt' catch on. Too bad since HeavOnEarth picked out Ace + nemY as mafia. I was really sad about that, but I guess it doesnt matter too much ja? Next game no medic self protects. Question for everyone about DT checks: should checks be returned when they are asked for or after the day post comes up? Usually I think this hasn't been much of an issue, but this game DT got two mafia in a row and DID decide to claim so I don't know what you guys think about that. LOL i always thought dts get the info after day post. That way they cant post his findings before the post. Absolutely imba. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On January 11 2010 15:42 Ace wrote: why would I kill RoL who amazingly was the only other person to call Judge's BS? Anyone claiming Day 1 should be scrutinized because...we've been through this like 5 games already. Especially MEDIC of all roles. Because it was pretty obvious that the only people who would be willing to go so far as to campaign to kill the guy would either: 1) Know he IS lying. or 2) Be fearful mafia. Scrutinizing is fine; I pretty much vomited the fact that he wasn't the medic into the open during day 1. Killing the guy, however, prior to him taking a single anti-town action is way off into crazyland. There's no incentive for a green townie to rail for his lynch unless you were heavily trying to metagame, which wasn't an explanation anyone brought up. People simply talked about prior metagaming regarding early claims. nemY also hung himself this way. Judge and I talked about you either being a vanilla townie trying to trap people with your push against judge, or being a mafia. When you were unrepentant, you kinda sealed your own fate. I'll be honest though, between you and RoL, I was certain one was mafia. I wasn't 100% certain of which, though, which I remarked to Zato when he asked me for comments regarding hitting you. In the end, I think I made a rather large error in my analysis by ignoring the reaction of the legit medic to judge's claim, but it all worked out because chez and zato fucking raped this shit. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On January 11 2010 15:52 Malongo wrote: LOL i always thought dts get the info after day post. That way they cant post his findings before the post. Absolutely imba. I know Qatol gives the results immediately. Don't know about other hosts though. | ||
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L
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Chezinu
United States7468 Posts
On January 11 2010 15:58 L wrote: Yeah, normally DT checks are given the moment they're asked. I haven't seen it happen differently :o. wow..All the abuse previous players missed out on...The I die, you die tactic... | ||
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Malongo
Chile3479 Posts
On January 11 2010 15:55 Incognito wrote: I know Qatol gives the results immediately. Don't know about other hosts though. The problem with giving results before the post is that allows a time window for the dt to hint his findings in case he is dead that day. Never knew about how that works never been dt ~_~ | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On January 11 2010 15:58 L wrote: Yeah, normally DT checks are given the moment they're asked. I haven't seen it happen differently :o. I always thought that too until Chez asked if he could publish his info. Then I thought back to RL mafia and remembered that DT's can't speak until the next day begins so I was somewhat confused...it hasn't been too much of an issue before since I don't think anyone has successfully discovered a mafia AND roleclaimed all at once. Is it a problem? Or should this be allowed? | ||
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Incognito
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On January 11 2010 16:01 Incognito wrote: I always thought that too until Chez asked if he could publish his info. Then I thought back to RL mafia and remembered that DT's can't speak until the next day begins so I was somewhat confused...it hasn't been too much of an issue before since I don't think anyone has successfully discovered a mafia AND roleclaimed all at once. Is it a problem? Or should this be allowed? Plenty of people have discovered a medic and told a mouth in the same night, then been hit prior to day starting. Happens quite often. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On January 11 2010 15:39 L wrote: Ace, I gave you the opportunity to wagon the medic. Don't say I don't love you. haha that made me think you were mafia when you pulled that shit. Because I told Judge to see how he would respond then you started attacking me randomly and I figured that was you and Judge working together which seemed mafiaish. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On January 11 2010 15:53 L wrote: Because it was pretty obvious that the only people who would be willing to go so far as to campaign to kill the guy would either: 1) Know he IS lying. or 2) Be fearful mafia. Scrutinizing is fine; I pretty much vomited the fact that he wasn't the medic into the open during day 1. Killing the guy, however, prior to him taking a single anti-town action is way off into crazyland. There's no incentive for a green townie to rail for his lynch unless you were heavily trying to metagame, which wasn't an explanation anyone brought up. People simply talked about prior metagaming regarding early claims. nemY also hung himself this way. Judge and I talked about you either being a vanilla townie trying to trap people with your push against judge, or being a mafia. When you were unrepentant, you kinda sealed your own fate. I'll be honest though, between you and RoL, I was certain one was mafia. I wasn't 100% certain of which, though, which I remarked to Zato when he asked me for comments regarding hitting you. In the end, I think I made a rather large error in my analysis by ignoring the reaction of the legit medic to judge's claim, but it all worked out because chez and zato fucking raped this shit. I guess I'll have to show you why I thought this was just a bad play by the town overall that just worked out very lucky. The minute Judge claimed Medic I was expecting a town lynch. It was actually the perfect reaction no matter what role I had : any Day 1 claims especially something that can't be proven should be looked at as a Mafia ploy. We've been through this like almost every game but it's impossible to know when the town is thinking straight. I immediately told Incognito to make me a Medic and I started accusing Judge. Even with Judge's bad play I was hoping I'd get DT checked. Amazingly I didn't, nor did Judge. This was my alibi for calling Judge out - I knew he was lying not only because it was a dumb move but because I was the real medic. Next I had the Malongo situation because Zato came out of no where and blew Malongo up. This was a HUGE turning point of the game for a lot of reasons: Zato looked like he was saving Judge. In all fairness in any reasonable game Judge looked like Mafia for his move. L you yourself were batting for Judge blindly. There was no plan that could be implemented based on RCs when there's a GF in the game. None. I knew this and a few other people did too. Thats why when Judge was screaming about it I was thinking tough shit - no one cares. Especially when you say "wait and see" - that should have been the prime lynching point for Judge. With all that we had a prime situation: 2 of you looked like Mafia and Zato at the least looked fishy. He called Malongo out literally based on nothing. My whole play was me acting like a Medic all game knowing that Judge was lying. When the lynch came we also got another break. Chezinu said he was PMing around with Scamp. Scamp then last minute votes while Chez is playing around and taunting Malongo and Judge. Then Chez flip flops. I was actually sitting here thinking to myself how is possible no one would lynch Chez at this point? Everything up to this point was great for us. No Mafia were in the crosshairs except myself, which was great. Several townies were looking really bad, and for some weird reason L wanted to go for RoL who honestly played like a perfect townie. He did nothing wrong yet. Then the play that ended the game came. Malongo didn't off Judge. This was the major play of the game that saved the town. None of the Mafia had any incentive to switch off of Judge because it made 0 sense - Judge looked guilty. If he died and flipped whatever he was (I knew he wasn't a Medic) Zato was going to be fucked royally (well, probably not with the way the town was playing). L still had a decent alibi saying he wanted to see what the plan was. Malongo was surely going to live no matter what, and we would have went into the next night sailing smooth with some good targets to hit. Chezinu role claims the next day, and then Zato does right after. This was SWEET for us because no matter what Chez said it wasn't going to stick. I went to bed knowing it was highly possible for chez to die. Then I had to go to work and didn't come back for about 36 hours up to this point. In this time span MM as rallied on, and I didn't even have a chance to put in any posts because I was away. Zato also brings forth a mega post based on the last time I was Mafia (another game in which I missed the beginning of everything) and trumps me. If I was here I could have used my Medic defense and shown why I played the way I did. But Zato crucially pointed out that instead of trying to bury Judge I blamed people. This was a break in my defense because if I claimed Medic I should have kept hammering on Judge. He was the only person in the game to pick up on it while everyone else kept saying "ace is suspicious" which everyone says any game I play in. So all in all I think we did well considering the town had 0 clue what was going on, and it was Malongo's play and Chez's Ids that got the game sealed away. The town was making mistake after mistake and before this time frame no one was doing anything. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
why kill me? Let it set in. GG. | ||
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