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On November 03 2009 11:27 Scamp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 09:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I think it has been said a few times by now. Vivi can only be the godfather if anything. Vivi and Redtooth were both the SAME to sugdori's checks on them. Do you honestly think both of them are our last mafia, or that one is the godfather? No, I don't. But that's not the point I'm trying to make. There seems to be a lot of decision making that is being kept secret from the town. Pyrr had some reasoning to vote for Chez that he revealed after the vote. It would have been nice to have that information before the vote. Now apparently there was a plan to keep the vote close to see if anyone would reveal themselves by voting at the last second. Awesome. Again there is probably a wealth of information to be had but if there is it's being kept secret. Now we're voting on the pretense that we're bound to hit a mafia if we just vote a whole group of people off. Excellent. We are in a good situation so let's just nuke the island and pick off mafia in a random blast. What is the point of all this secrecy? The mafia only has one KP a night, we have a medic out there somewhere, we have a veteran who's afraid to speak pubically, and we have multiple DTs figuring out things as we go. Unless there's something I'm missing, all the mafia have in their favor right now is a godfather. But if we play scared and hide all the information we have, this will just cause confusion among the town that aren't "in the loop."
I try to share at least a portion of what is going on without releasing everyone's roles, if you don't feel that is enough please ask more and I'll pass it on if it really was discussed. There really isn't much going on atm other than confirming that I'd be protected from now on and that Shikyo is suspect. Which, I recall, I quite clearly shared my thoughts openly.. if that isn't enough for you.. then maybe you are just being a paranoid lynch magnet ;P
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On November 03 2009 11:39 SugiuraMidori wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 10:19 Ver wrote:
Sorry I've been away for a bit, updating OP now. I like how we still have 2 of 2 bodyguards left, thanks for continuing to show that you and math just don't get along, Ver ;P
Haha I do math fine...when I see it.
Just keep me out of the bureaucracy!
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On November 03 2009 11:47 SugiuraMidori wrote:
I try to share at least a portion of what is going on without releasing everyone's roles, if you don't feel that is enough please ask more and I'll pass it on if it really was discussed. There really isn't much going on atm other than confirming that I'd be protected from now on and that Shikyo is suspect. Which, I recall, I quite clearly shared my thoughts openly.. if that isn't enough for you.. then maybe you are just being a paranoid lynch magnet ;P
When did Pyrr share bodyguard information with you?
Unless I'm mistaken (and I may be. I don't have the best track record of reading everything closely) all we know are your checks. Who else has been checked?
Were you aware of any plan to vote Vivi to keep the vote close to Chezinu?
Did Pyrr confirm to you (or anyone) that I sent him a PM regarding Infundiulum?
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Oh wait, we had this information during the Chezinu/Vivi vote. But the DT wasn't confirmed and didn't know if the two were green or red. Hence the entire pretext which your now confirmed blue medic friend went to lengths to defend, and the reason we lopped off cobbler's head.
You can't go back 2 days and pretend that we knew what we do now. That simply doesn't work. You really need to stop trying to cherrypick soundbytes while ignoring their context.
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I remember hearing that infundi called medic from someone, I thought it was either BC, L, or Pyrr. I really can't remember who though.
If you want more truth? I can give it to you. I will give you everything I know.
Shikyo has claimed DT and says that he checked L day one, when L role called Veteran Shikyo messaged him and said that he checked him Day 1 and got back the Veteran role, meaning that Shikyo's sanity was brought down to two types. I believe it is paranoid and insane DT's that see blues as what they are.
Since then Shikyo has supposedly missed his second Check, so we don't have a second person to work with (this is unlikely since Ver/Qatol were stalling days for night actions and kept announcing that they were waiting) he then says his third check was on BC, who he most likely knew was a bodyguard.
After SugDori checked Shikyo then confirmed her sanity with Qatol. She got back that Shikyo was indeed a Detective (or from what it looks like at this point) a godfather.
Now this all looks particularly bad for Shikyo, but the only inconsistency is L. I believe both me and Sugdori have been talking to L, no real conversation for me has taken place with Shikyo. So as far as I know, L could be making all that up which makes Shikyo look bad. However I don't think that is likely.
The reason I wanted to wait to lynch Shikyo is at some point he would have to claim his sanity, and at this point it looks like he has been avoiding trying to figure out his sanity because that is what a godfather would need to do since he has no real checking powers. The reason for waiting is eventually I would imagine Shikyo has to mess up if hes not legit, or claim his sanity and reveal all of what his checks really were.
Another possibility is that L is the godfather, it would explain why he role after the Vet plan was given up on (assuming no vet existed in the game) he then came forward and claimed Vet and hasn't really done too much in regards to trying to lead the town. A lot of us have been talking behind the scenes but there is no insane plan going on right now. It is pretty much discussing what we know. The list I posted earlier sums up who must be mafia.
The six people who among them two must be mafia are as follows.
Shikyo, L as godfather
HoE, Scamp, Tricode, or amber[LighT] as mafia members.
Everyone else has been checked in one way or another.
Now on Amber, his posting has been a little abrasive and we know he is one of the bodyguards. He hasn't really done much. He could be the mafia's attempt at slow playing BG's based on how he was PMing with Pyrrhuloxia. If it comes down to it we can kill him.
So there you have it, basically all that has been going on. The information we have from checks and shit is this.
Vivi57 and redtooth are the same orientation, Green. BC was the bodyguard (blue) used to confirm SugDori's sanity and Shikyo was shown as a DT which would mean the third DT in the game.
Shikyo's checks to my knowledge have shown L as a Veteran and BC as a Bodyguard. I haven't gotten information on any other checks yet.
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if you guys wanted me to narrow it down even more, I'd take away probably scamp and tricode.
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Not to put a hole in your plan and I'm just saying this to speculate to the moron mafia team who didn't think of this awesome plan on Day 1 but wouldn't it have been a good idea for the mafia to originally make a member of their crew a bodyguard and give him the godfather rule, thus allowing him to pick the bodyguard role and forever stay hidden? It's what I would have done.
And I posted abrasively to attract those who would try to stir shit, and by doing this it's a great way for me to stay alive for Pyrr. Why would mafia attack me if I'm doing such a good job stirring some awesome discussion about me being mafia? I wouldn't consider it a coincidence that I have skated along to day 4 without dying guys.
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day 5 oops. I don't usually make it past day three my bad lol.
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Yeah, I thought about that amber. But at this point I would say Shikyo probably is.
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RoL, thank you. That's what I've wanted to know for a while now. Now I need to think about it see what I can come up with.
On November 03 2009 12:40 L wrote: But the DT wasn't confirmed and didn't know if the two were green or red. Hence the entire pretext which your now confirmed blue medic friend went to lengths to defend, and the reason we lopped off cobbler's head. You can't go back 2 days and pretend that we knew what we do now. That simply doesn't work. You really need to stop trying to cherrypick soundbytes while ignoring their context.
I didn't really see many people suspect that Sugiura could be lying, and the general consensus was that they were both green. Adding confirmed DTs does not change the suspicion after the fact, because we are looking for a godfather. So how can there be suspicion on Vivi before and no suspicion now? Was it just manufactured to make a close vote?
I'm just trying to work with any cards I have. I strongly suspect that someone that's being 'helpful' to the town is the godfather. If we kill the godfather anytime soon the game is over. The mafia haven't given up. We know there are only two mafia left. Someone really thinks they can pull out the victory in these circumstances.
Edit: Oops, put Sigiura instead of RoL.
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Why would it be about sugi lying? Its about how the roles flip prior to making your sanity-type guess as a DT.
DTs can confirm their sanity type to Qatol in the form of a one time guess in order to unscramble all of the missing blue information after they're positive they have their sanity down pat.
There's no suspicion now because we know that the result of the rolecheck is 100% green. Prior, the DT check gave the option of vivi and redtooth being either red or green, just not blue. Once confirmation of sanity happened, we learned that it was 100% green and the suspicion obviously went away.
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Was there anyone out there that was of the opinion that Vivi and Redtooth were both mafia?
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On November 03 2009 19:48 Scamp wrote:
Was there anyone out there that was of the opinion that Vivi and Redtooth were both mafia?
Yes two days ago before we knew what was going on there were a number of players who thought they could be mafia, myself included.
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On November 03 2009 22:24 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2009 19:48 Scamp wrote:
Was there anyone out there that was of the opinion that Vivi and Redtooth were both mafia? Yes two days ago before we knew what was going on there were a number of players who thought they could be mafia, myself included.
Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "knew what was going on"?
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That means before confirmation of her sanity. We "knew what was going on" when we figured out Sugdori's sanity. Scamp you have to stop being retarded too, why would anyone choose Vivi or Redtooth as there godfather? You usually make a player most likely to be checked the godfather. That is to give them that extra protection they need.
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After this game ends there will have to be a long discussion.
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On November 04 2009 07:41 Ace wrote:
After this game ends there will have to be a long discussion.
YAY!
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Yeah qatol and I were planning to do a ratings and analysis for postgame to uh hopefully encourage people to learn from what happened.
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Day ends in 80 minutes btw (10 kst)
Vote count going up
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On November 04 2009 06:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
That means before confirmation of her sanity. We "knew what was going on" when we figured out Sugdori's sanity. Scamp you have to stop being retarded too, why would anyone choose Vivi or Redtooth as there godfather? You usually make a player most likely to be checked the godfather. That is to give them that extra protection they need.
The point is that information came out and people didn't switch their votes. The point is that Amber's evidence relies on things before more prevalent information came out, and nothing happened.
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