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On October 27 2009 10:34 Vivi57 wrote: ace played like shit and died because of it, I don't think we made any mistake killing him I honestly think we need to look at inactives now. The mafia would just sit back and watch ace kill himself while having to do nothing and bringing no suspicion to them. I know this includes me and if I'm caught in the crossfire of going after the inactives, oh well. I'm going to go eat now, someone should make a list of all the people who barely posted or didn't post from the start of ace yelling and his death. Not to personally point the finger at you, but this post is brilliant: What are people supposed to think when you tell people to look at inactives, then say you've been inactive and that you don't want to bother doing any of the work and are leaving? And not to ride his balls, but Ace made a very gutsy play, it was at least a move that produced a lot of content for us to look over. The only problem was the lack of kill confirmation from a night 1 agreed kill on day 2. | ||
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Even if Mafia did chill and watch the show (when it comes to votes), i would bet at least a min. of 1 voted for Ace. How do people feel about this statement? I mean, its kinda jumping the gun, but if they knew he wasn't mafia, they probably knew his roleclaim was legit and wanted him offed. Does that mean they'd vote for him? From the voter list, most of the people who voted have been fingered for suspicion earlier, but I'm not entirely certain that ensures that at least one is mafia. | ||
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On October 27 2009 12:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote: with this last lynch, we are in a pinch three analysists down, and with a noose we dropped a crown with only a few analysists who still remain, the town will lean on them like a cane With the mafia most likely in those few, we might as well bow our heads in a pew May I suggest you stop posting like this is some kindergarten rhyme time and do some of the aforementioned analysis then? You aren't a second rate player, why are you on the sidelines? | ||
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Or a liar. | ||
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Alternative: you aren't and are faking it for fun. If you were green you might fake hatter to prevent yourself from getting killed. If you're red, well you'd be pretty dumb to claim vig, so you'd likely have picked hatter in an attempt to live until day 4 or so. I'm not sure which one you decided to claim, but that's my first impression of the situation. Either way, you're throwin' down a lot of tells. | ||
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On October 28 2009 09:28 SugiuraMidori wrote: Well then I'm glad you aren't any good at reading "tells", since not a damn thing you said about me is true, though some of those things would be rather clever. I'm better with clues. : (. Ver and MBH are much better with this blue identification business. | ||
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I was hit and saved by a medic. I'm also the (a?) veteran. If there's another DT, and I actually think there is given how weak DTs are this game, please verify me if you are close to establish your sanity so that we can make a ring of confirmed blues. If you checked Ace to determine what blue would show up as, you have enough locked down to prove me innocent. I am not fully confirmed as of yet because the hatter bombs that went off make it possible that I was hit by the hatter and not the mafia. Given that I've died on day 2 for the past like.. 5 games, I'm rather happy to be alive right now regardless. The medic, for obvious reasons, does not want a name dropped because they would die next night. I'm currently thinking over if revealing the name and having a confirmed townie for a day is worth it. I'm not going to take any decision without the medic's consent either. So that's the story boys and girls. Poke holes, get angry at me for not claiming earlier (i got reasons, yo), etc. | ||
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Pretty obvious: Ace checked judge instead of the target we were going to use at night. Since he had an unconfirmed check, getting me as confirmed blue wouldn't have solved his sanity; green/red would still be unconfirmable and if a second vet was in the game, we'd both be lynched off. The idea behind the vet plan was that we saved a second premeditated night lynch to assure someone's sanity, but that simply wouldn't be the effect if we assumed (which I did at the time) that Ace was the only DT, with the knowledge that he checked someone at random. Given that the medic intercepted a hit and that I was a vet, and given that I've been killed day 2 or day 3 for the last 5 games I've been in, I assumed I'd be killed right after Ace and I was correct. I was hoping, however, that the missing hit would sink into my vet protection and that I'd be able to claim immediately after wasting a mafia hit; the claim could be put off until today if that happened. | ||
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In other news: I am getting my wisdom teeth pulled out at 1:30 EST tomorrow. I will be high as a kite on codeine and amphoxilin or something. If I am acting dumb, it is because I care about you enough to type up posts between spoonfuls of jello despite having empty bleeding sockets in my mouth. In other other news: I've never had my wisdom teeth pulled out (duh) so I might be severely overestimating the strenuous nature of my recovery time afterwards. | ||
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I am not confirmed via hits, do not claim to me, please. The medic took a leap of faith in trusting me, but that doesn't mean everyone else should. That is why I asked a DT to check me to verify that I am what I say i am. Once sanities are confirmed I can organize a circle, but until then I'd suggest people don't risk anything. Now, time to read around. | ||
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On October 29 2009 05:02 Vivi57 wrote: It's pretty obvious chezinu is playing with the attitude, "I don't care who we kill, as long as it isn't me" unless he believes me, redtooth, *and* scamp are mafia, his voting indicates he doesn't give a shit if we lynch a townie and he only cares about staying alive. This leaves two possibilities: 1. he's playing really really badly, driving the town towards a loss 2. he's mafia, and it doesn't really matter who gets lynched because any non mafia death benefits him You're doing the exact same thing by trying to wagon him when you had a wagon on you. Regardless of anyone's role, its always in their best interest to not die unless there's a plan that's much larger than them swirling around. (someone being targetted for DT checks, for instance, during this game). | ||
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Original Message L : Different situation today gave me a different goal. Because I was claimed to, and I now have the ability to form a group of confirmed townies. In order to confirm myself I needed to reach out and ask to see if a second DT was in the game. The only alternative would have been to out you to the public to get blue names, but the problem would be that you would die in the process. At this point I don't want to die for the above reasons whereas before I wanted to get hit. Now that they know i'm going to take 2 days of full kp, i'm almost unhittable from a mafia perspective which gives me enough protection to stay alive while a DT finishes their sanity check and then confirms my role. At that point I become a mouth for every blue in the game, and we win relatively quickly. ----------------------------------------- Original Message Medic: WIth that logic, what was the point in claiming Vet now? You got protected, you just needed to say you were protected. Not that you were a vet (which means they won't try and hit you again most likely) While the plan prior gave them incentive to try and kill you. ----------------------------------------- Original Message L: The reasoning is pretty obvious; The job of a vet is to get hit. Claiming when we don't achieve the goal that we set out to achieve under conditions when I know i'm going to get hit (I've been hit on day 2 or day 3 for five games in a row) completely invalidates the role. ----------------------------------------- Original Message Medic: I still think you should of role claimed earlier and don't get why you didn't, I don't get the reasoning. Even if Ace said he checked Judge, before he even came forward with that I think I said the Vet should of role called then. Read from the bottom upwards. I haven't asked the medic if I can post this, so I've taken the liberty of slightly changing his statements so that its harder to figure out who he is from the writing style. The meaning and content of his questions, however, are not changed, and besides for the single bold note I put in, my messages, however, are directly copy/pasted. | ||
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On October 29 2009 23:56 Scamp wrote: So you become a mouthpiece for the blues, and we win the game relatively quickly. Excellent. A DT needs at least two nights to determine their sanity, and that's assuming they're able to check people who actually die. So we need three nights of NO HELP FROM YOU in order for the DTs to confirm their sanities. That's 6KP worth of mafia kills, and that's the best-case scenerio. Furthermore the DT hasn't checked anyone alive at this point so they need even more nights to get any useful information. So considering you want to be the mouth of all the blues in the game, and also considering your plan takes over three nights to execute, how about giving us some ideas on who to lynch or what to look for? Because that would, you know, be helpful. Why are you ignoring all of my posts? And the date and times of these messages would be nice. Except that the DT has already checked me on day 1 and can already confirm that if i'm blue, i'm vet. I need 1 more lynch for him to be certain of his sanity if we don't hit another blue, which is why we're pre-picking someone tonight to get that squared away. More to the point, how is this 'no help from me'. What do you want me to do? Shoot a magic wand at the game and magically make us win on day 3? That's why he claimed to me; because all the facts add up. And i'm not ignoring you. The entire set of PMs was given out specifically because you asked why I claimed. I'm rather glad you're actually posting this game; whether its because you knew i'd try to kill you if you stayed silent or because you're not mafia for once is still up in the air for me, but at least you aren't suicide bombing me. | ||
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