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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 28 2009 05:08 GMT
#963
yeah i think the scenario that makes the most sense is - mafia hit df and L, df has bombs on Incog and Judge
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 28 2009 07:40 GMT
#968
On October 28 2009 16:14 Scamp wrote:
I can say it's wrong because I read the day post. There may not be any clues in it but people are still going to die the way they died. You mean to tell me that Ver took a Mad Hatter hit and made it look like the mafia did it?


it's difficult to say because there are supposed to be no clues.

However I think you are correct: Incog's death was written before df's death. This basically means it was chronologically first. How could df bombs blow up Incog before df died? (they can't)
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 28 2009 08:18 GMT
#970
On October 28 2009 16:40 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2009 16:14 Scamp wrote:
I can say it's wrong because I read the day post. There may not be any clues in it but people are still going to die the way they died. You mean to tell me that Ver took a Mad Hatter hit and made it look like the mafia did it?


it's difficult to say because there are supposed to be no clues.

However I think you are correct: Incog's death was written before df's death. This basically means it was chronologically first. How could df bombs blow up Incog before df died? (they can't)


To further expound on this: in the Day post it explicitly says "the mafia had sealed the exits."

Incognito was not killed by the mad hatter bomb.

L was either

a) hit by a vig
b) hit by the other bomb
c) not hit and is lying

My initial posts were incorrect. If the vig (i say the, there is most certainly not more than 1 if any) did hit L he should speak up. If there is no vig we narrow down the possibilities to b or c.

RoL. I find it curious that you were so quick to correct me on my initial and incidentally logical reaction...
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 28 2009 09:42 GMT
#976
On October 28 2009 18:40 SugiuraMidori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2009 18:35 motbob wrote:
On October 28 2009 18:29 SugiuraMidori wrote:
All right.. I really don't understand wtf you guys are doing now.. I give you two confirmed mafia and you run off and vote for Chez.. just because he's a brown-noser doesn't mean his brown obsession needs to cloud your judgments on the obvious truths laid out upon you :/

If Vivi is voting for Chez, he clearly knows Chez isn't red, as who else would vote for a teammate so early on in the day? PUH-LEAZE~

??? vivi is confirmed? I've obviously missed something


So is redtooth, they're both on the same team, like I've been saying for some time now :/
You can't have one without the other, they're partners in crime.


Yeah but what motbob is wondering is WHY they are both mafia. how did you arrive at such a conclusion? I don't really see it either.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 29 2009 14:41 GMT
#1011
why are they laughable? so you believe L's claim even though he hasn't done shit for town except advocate lynching Ace?
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 29 2009 14:46 GMT
#1013
On October 29 2009 22:24 L wrote:
Okay, so someone asked me why I claimed, and I dealt with the question best to my knowledge, while talking to the medic in PMs. Here's a transcript of what was said. Feel free to ask me anymore questions.

Show nested quote +
Original Message L :
Different situation today gave me a different goal. Because I was claimed to, and I now have the ability to form a group of confirmed townies. In order to confirm myself I needed to reach out and ask to see if a second DT was in the game. The only alternative would have been to out you to the public to get blue names, but the problem would be that you would die in the process.

At this point I don't want to die for the above reasons whereas before I wanted to get hit. Now that they know i'm going to take 2 days of full kp, i'm almost unhittable from a mafia perspective which gives me enough protection to stay alive while a DT finishes their sanity check and then confirms my role. At that point I become a mouth for every blue in the game, and we win relatively quickly.
-----------------------------------------
Original Message Medic:
WIth that logic, what was the point in claiming Vet now? You got protected, you just needed to say you were protected. Not that you were a vet (which means they won't try and hit you again most likely) While the plan prior gave them incentive to try and kill you.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message L:
The reasoning is pretty obvious; The job of a vet is to get hit. Claiming when we don't achieve the goal that we set out to achieve under conditions when I know i'm going to get hit (I've been hit on day 2 or day 3 for five games in a row) completely invalidates the role.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message Medic:
I still think you should of role claimed earlier and don't get why you didn't, I don't get the reasoning. Even if Ace said he checked Judge, before he even came forward with that I think I said the Vet should of role called then.

Read from the bottom upwards.

I haven't asked the medic if I can post this, so I've taken the liberty of slightly changing his statements so that its harder to figure out who he is from the writing style. The meaning and content of his questions, however, are not changed, and besides for the single bold note I put in, my messages, however, are directly copy/pasted.


Why did you leave out the most recent message(s)?
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 29 2009 14:57 GMT
#1017
On October 29 2009 23:50 Amber[LighT] wrote:
And I must be retarded since the three of you decided it would be a good idea to go ahead and vote for L despite the lack of discussion. Last night when I went to sleep the vote seemed to be Vivi vs. Chez vs. Redtooth and now you want to throw in L too? One day at a time bro we'll get to everyone on the list don't worry.


lol, dude

there's hardly been a page's worth of discussion on the merits of lynching any of those players

seriously i can boil it down for you nice and fast

chezinu - we want to lynch him because he posts random shit
vivi - guys like Ace say he is stupid
redtooth - some voting thing?

the short answer is that the discussion on those 3 is limited and devoid of quality information.

And no, time is not on the towns side as we cannot afford to miss lynches. If L is not lying mafia just won't hit him, and that's 1 less person they need to kill already.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 29 2009 23:12 GMT
#1041
if we don't lynch L the only semi acceptable candidate is Vivi
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 30 2009 00:18 GMT
#1044
Yeah, the only reason is that voting Vivi would at least give the dt some info, assuming of course that she is the dt.

Really though I don't think any of the 3 have particularly great chances of being red.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 30 2009 02:03 GMT
#1053
On October 30 2009 11:00 motbob wrote:
aaand you're dead. voting is closed


wat? are you sure? i wanted to switch to Vivi
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 30 2009 02:08 GMT
#1058
On October 30 2009 11:04 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2009 11:03 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
On October 30 2009 11:00 motbob wrote:
aaand you're dead. voting is closed


wat? are you sure? i wanted to switch to Vivi

3 minutes late. No big deal, both candidates were fairly similar. Lets hope we get something good out of this.


Yeah. Just on the off chance that Sugiura would gain info from it. But she says she has another way to confirm her sanity, so we'll see.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 30 2009 02:09 GMT
#1059
On October 30 2009 11:05 Chezinu wrote:
I'm still alive... you guys are slow at hangings...


just gettin' the kinks outta the rope
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 30 2009 02:12 GMT
#1062
well, i'll be dipped in shit.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 30 2009 02:25 GMT
#1066
On October 30 2009 11:15 L wrote:
KP is now 1, we're pretty much in the game for another 7 days, which is just about enough time to DT check every remaining player so we've pretty much won.

So what do we have DT wise now and who are we going to kill tomorrow?


yeah this was really fortuitous. i'm now glad i was busy and didn't think to check the thread until it was too late.

this does ease a bit my suspicions about you, actually. tricode was right, yes i said it, as we did gain a good bit of info tonight.

i think we're waiting on Sugiura (will i ever spell that right?) to see what comes of her sanity.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 30 2009 02:26 GMT
#1067
ebwop: i didn't even notice that pun
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 30 2009 21:30 GMT
#1085
On October 30 2009 13:07 motbob wrote:
So wait. Who have you checked and what did they flip as?

.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
November 01 2009 06:28 GMT
#1121
I don't think RoL is mafia based on his vote for Chezinu which was pretty important.

I also don't think Scamp is red.

On November 01 2009 15:06 SugiuraMidori wrote:
I also only mention Infun has he was suspicious about the "what about the other posts" mention after L showed off his PM's, which to me sounds a lot like he knew there was more because he was the other person and perhaps something important was said.


I said that because if you look at L's PM transcript, the top message says "original message" above it. The most recent pm seen in a convo does not say "original message," which means that either L doctored it or left out more recent messages. I'm not the person in contact with L.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
November 01 2009 07:33 GMT
#1124
RoL -

regarding Chez/Vivi: like most people i thought there was about an equal chance of either being red. I figured Vivi would be a better pick since Sugiura said she had checked him, so she would know more about her sanity that way. Do really think, if I was red, that I would have forgotten to change my vote from L in order to ensure that not losing a kp? Not a chance. I would have done everything I could to get vivi lynched.

Then she says she can figure out her sanity anyway, I guess it was by checking BC and getting him lynched. But now she's still not sure? So we're still waiting on that one. No new information, other than that BC was a blue bg so the other bg is probably town too.

regarding L: since when are we "pretty sure" that he's innocent? As to my knowledge, he has not been rolechecked and has only made the somewhat dubious claim of being hit by a mad hatter bomb and protected. There is no way to prove whether this is true. L has done nothing to help the town neither before nor after the claim. There is nothing here that is "pretty sure." I think he should be the next person to be rolechecked, considering that he claimed and is still alive.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
November 01 2009 07:37 GMT
#1126
when he roleclaimed, the mafia had 2 kp.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
November 01 2009 07:38 GMT
#1127
ebwop: and as we saw, medic was protecting Sugiura last night.
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