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On September 28 2014 06:40 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2014 06:09 Alaric wrote:
'cept Kha'Zix leaped out of the pit. The MS buff doesn't matter, the Rumble ult doesn't matter, he used his MS-independant mobility spell to reach Rumble who had stopped the MS buff with his ult.
Only impact was if Rumble tried to kill Kha'Zix. He didn't, so the 200 or so HP healed by Homeguard don't even matter. "200 or so" ... http://i.imgur.com/lj5z5FV.jpg - It mattered. Now that I read all the related stuff, it's clear that Fnatic should be allowed to ask for a remake. Riot's only excuse could be that it's a very long lived bug, but at the end of the day, it's still one. Nowhere it is stated that this recall interaction is a deliberate feature, it's just what we got used to so we don't question it. But Nick Allen is useless, and only good for making meme's about him, so whatever.
where is it stated that the recall interaction ISN'T a feature? if that's the way the game works and has always worked, the onus is on proving that it's not just an undocumented intended mechanic.
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something tell me the mod note might get updated soon :p
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I feel the fnatic fans pain. It must be very painful to watch a team you like consistently ignore the best possible strategies for getting them victories.
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On September 28 2014 08:00 chalice wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2014 06:40 Volband wrote:On September 28 2014 06:09 Alaric wrote:
'cept Kha'Zix leaped out of the pit. The MS buff doesn't matter, the Rumble ult doesn't matter, he used his MS-independant mobility spell to reach Rumble who had stopped the MS buff with his ult.
Only impact was if Rumble tried to kill Kha'Zix. He didn't, so the 200 or so HP healed by Homeguard don't even matter. "200 or so" ... http://i.imgur.com/lj5z5FV.jpg - It mattered. Now that I read all the related stuff, it's clear that Fnatic should be allowed to ask for a remake. Riot's only excuse could be that it's a very long lived bug, but at the end of the day, it's still one. Nowhere it is stated that this recall interaction is a deliberate feature, it's just what we got used to so we don't question it. But Nick Allen is useless, and only good for making meme's about him, so whatever. where is it stated that the recall interaction ISN'T a feature? if that's the way the game works and has always worked, the onus is on proving that it's not just an undocumented intended mechanic.
There was a red post that I can't find where they specially say the recall doesn't get canceled after .25 seconds left. That part is a least intentional.
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On September 28 2014 08:00 chalice wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2014 06:40 Volband wrote:On September 28 2014 06:09 Alaric wrote:
'cept Kha'Zix leaped out of the pit. The MS buff doesn't matter, the Rumble ult doesn't matter, he used his MS-independant mobility spell to reach Rumble who had stopped the MS buff with his ult.
Only impact was if Rumble tried to kill Kha'Zix. He didn't, so the 200 or so HP healed by Homeguard don't even matter. "200 or so" ... http://i.imgur.com/lj5z5FV.jpg - It mattered. Now that I read all the related stuff, it's clear that Fnatic should be allowed to ask for a remake. Riot's only excuse could be that it's a very long lived bug, but at the end of the day, it's still one. Nowhere it is stated that this recall interaction is a deliberate feature, it's just what we got used to so we don't question it. But Nick Allen is useless, and only good for making meme's about him, so whatever. where is it stated that the recall interaction ISN'T a feature? if that's the way the game works and has always worked, the onus is on proving that it's not just an undocumented intended mechanic.
Man, Riot can be called out for this, especially after how they worded homeguard's description a previous patch note. You don't play around with such things with so much on the line. "Oooh sorry, we made a typo ack then!" - or something like that. Not cool at all and they are so lucky it happened now and between these teams who will be eliminated in the quarters anyway. If it happened in the last game of the finals there would be no excuse to dismiss such a huge oversight, which might happen only once in a million games, but they got unlucky and it happened to be one on the world's stage.
Yes, these are ifs, but the nexus had like 20 hp, so I think an ant-sized if is already more than enough for a possible remake. I still wouldn't call for one as Fnatic because they had soooooooooooo many ways to ensure victory. Soaz alone had many different ones, but Cyanide not using locket was fatal as well.
On September 28 2014 08:17 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2014 08:00 chalice wrote:On September 28 2014 06:40 Volband wrote:On September 28 2014 06:09 Alaric wrote:
'cept Kha'Zix leaped out of the pit. The MS buff doesn't matter, the Rumble ult doesn't matter, he used his MS-independant mobility spell to reach Rumble who had stopped the MS buff with his ult.
Only impact was if Rumble tried to kill Kha'Zix. He didn't, so the 200 or so HP healed by Homeguard don't even matter. "200 or so" ... http://i.imgur.com/lj5z5FV.jpg - It mattered. Now that I read all the related stuff, it's clear that Fnatic should be allowed to ask for a remake. Riot's only excuse could be that it's a very long lived bug, but at the end of the day, it's still one. Nowhere it is stated that this recall interaction is a deliberate feature, it's just what we got used to so we don't question it. But Nick Allen is useless, and only good for making meme's about him, so whatever. where is it stated that the recall interaction ISN'T a feature? if that's the way the game works and has always worked, the onus is on proving that it's not just an undocumented intended mechanic. There was a red post that I can't find where they specially say the recall doesn't get canceled after .25 seconds left. That part is a least intentional.
But he takes damage. Not cancelling recall is not = nullifying the damage taken. You can recall with damage taken - okay -, but still activate homeguard, which is a BUG if you word homeguard in a way it says it won't activate after you take damage.
edit: btw, Kha even took health damage, but it doesn't matter, since it's been proven it already that homeguard gives 0 fucks if you take it in the last moment.
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On September 28 2014 10:27 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2014 07:01 IMoperator wrote:On September 28 2014 06:47 krndandaman wrote:
I don't understand these groups...
All I know is I'm hoping for the 4 way tie in group C and the 3 way tie in group D.
With all these crazy results I want to see the winners come out in tie-breakers to settle it all.
Also props to EU with all the games they've been taking off the koreans. super impressive. If NA goes another tournament without beating a Korean team imma say EU>NA definitively.
also teams, pls ban Irelia/Lee from Alliance. EU is also 0-4 vs. China while NA is 2-1 vs. China... saying that EU > NA is a pretty big stretch when they went even otherwise. EU teams can beat KR teams though, while NA can't. Dunno if I want to count SK's games since they were pretty much done for without Sven. EU 0-2 vs China and NA 2-1 vs China doesn't seem that important when comparing against the only losses of Koreans in this tournament being to Europeans. Head to head between EU vs NA is even as well so I'm inclined to give the edge to EU here. Essentially it's a matter of what's better- beating the 1st place team but losing to 2nd place, or losing to the 1st place team but beating 2nd place? I think the former is more impressive especially with Korea being so dominant while China looks vulnerable. NA definitely seems more consistent but EU seems to have the higher ceiling at the moment.
yeah it seems like EU teams are more clutch than NA teams. Fnatic and Alliance step up HARD when playing vs. Korean teams, and NA teams seem like they just play at their average level which never works.
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tbh, im pretty sure the most important thing is making it out of groups, not winning vs korean teams or winning vs chinese teams.
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On September 28 2014 11:25 Shiznick wrote:
tbh, im pretty sure the most important thing is making it out of groups, not winning vs korean teams or winning vs chinese teams.
Chinese are gonna play Chinese in quarters and it'l be NA/EU vs Koreans losing all the other ones as well. The only way people can pound their chest about regional strength between the two, since there's been a lot of 1-1s, is to shift to the vs China/Korea results in group.
Though I agree, making it out of groups means more from any reasonable standpoint.
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On September 28 2014 04:34 NeoIllusions wrote:
I wonder at what point do teams ban Irelia against Alliance.
We should have been past that point already.
There's such a huge drop off from Irelia to Wickds other champions. It's not like he's a new player to the scene either.
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Out of curiosity what are the Chinese fans saying about the Homeguard bug? Anyone know?
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On September 28 2014 11:48 Amarok wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2014 04:34 NeoIllusions wrote:
I wonder at what point do teams ban Irelia against Alliance. We should have been past that point already. There's such a huge drop off from Irelia to Wickds other champions. It's not like he's a new player to the scene either.
Like I said earlier in the thread, any time she's in the meta it should be instabanned.
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On September 28 2014 10:27 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2014 07:01 IMoperator wrote:On September 28 2014 06:47 krndandaman wrote:
I don't understand these groups...
All I know is I'm hoping for the 4 way tie in group C and the 3 way tie in group D.
With all these crazy results I want to see the winners come out in tie-breakers to settle it all.
Also props to EU with all the games they've been taking off the koreans. super impressive. If NA goes another tournament without beating a Korean team imma say EU>NA definitively.
also teams, pls ban Irelia/Lee from Alliance. EU is also 0-4 vs. China while NA is 2-1 vs. China... saying that EU > NA is a pretty big stretch when they went even otherwise. EU teams can beat KR teams though, while NA can't. Dunno if I want to count SK's games since they were pretty much done for without Sven. EU 0-2 vs China and NA 2-1 vs China doesn't seem that important when comparing against the only losses of Koreans in this tournament being to Europeans. Head to head between EU vs NA is even as well so I'm inclined to give the edge to EU here. Essentially it's a matter of what's better- beating the 1st place team but losing to 2nd place, or losing to the 1st place team but beating 2nd place? I think the former is more impressive especially with Korea being so dominant while China looks vulnerable. NA definitely seems more consistent but EU seems to have the higher ceiling at the moment.
I think the only thing I'm willing to say based on these Bo1 results(and actually having watched all of the matches that matter in the NA/EU/CN/KR cyclical comparisons) is that Alliance is probably the best team in the west. Yes they split with C9, but they played NJWS really well in the first game(gave up the lead/threw/whatever you want to call it), and then beat them. Even if NJWS is performing below expectation in those games, the eye test says that Alliance played better League when we take the relevant 4 games of the group stage for each(2 head to head, 2 vs NJWS).
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On September 28 2014 12:01 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2014 11:48 Amarok wrote:On September 28 2014 04:34 NeoIllusions wrote:
I wonder at what point do teams ban Irelia against Alliance. We should have been past that point already. There's such a huge drop off from Irelia to Wickds other champions. It's not like he's a new player to the scene either. Like I said earlier in the thread, any time she's in the meta it should be instabanned.
I can understand leaving it up against, say Gogoing who is known for it but can play a whole bunch of stuff really well, but Wickd is a completely different beast on Irelia compared to Ryze, Kayle, Ali, Mao etc.
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On September 28 2014 12:11 Amarok wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2014 12:01 Gahlo wrote:On September 28 2014 11:48 Amarok wrote:On September 28 2014 04:34 NeoIllusions wrote:
I wonder at what point do teams ban Irelia against Alliance. We should have been past that point already. There's such a huge drop off from Irelia to Wickds other champions. It's not like he's a new player to the scene either. Like I said earlier in the thread, any time she's in the meta it should be instabanned. I can understand leaving it up against, say Gogoing who is known for it but can play a whole bunch of stuff really well, but Wickd is a completely different beast on Irelia compared to Ryze, Kayle, Ali, Mao etc.
I was referring to against Wick'd, I just wasn't clear enough. =S
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On September 28 2014 12:52 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2014 12:11 Amarok wrote:On September 28 2014 12:01 Gahlo wrote:On September 28 2014 11:48 Amarok wrote:On September 28 2014 04:34 NeoIllusions wrote:
I wonder at what point do teams ban Irelia against Alliance. We should have been past that point already. There's such a huge drop off from Irelia to Wickds other champions. It's not like he's a new player to the scene either. Like I said earlier in the thread, any time she's in the meta it should be instabanned. I can understand leaving it up against, say Gogoing who is known for it but can play a whole bunch of stuff really well, but Wickd is a completely different beast on Irelia compared to Ryze, Kayle, Ali, Mao etc. I was referring to against Wick'd, I just wasn't clear enough. =S
Ahh yes, makes sense now.
Really looking forward to today's games. Hoping c9 can pull off a miracle followed by several other miracles resulting in Alliance and c9 quarter final berths. What can I say, I'm a dreamer :p
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On September 28 2014 12:01 dDazed wrote:
Out of curiosity what are the Chinese fans saying about the Homeguard bug? Anyone know?
my guess is that most aren't even aware of it because it is such a non-issue.
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my heart wants both LMQ and OMG to make it out
but if I had to pick, i guess I would say OMG have looked better then LMQ :<
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itt: people who bitch about a foul call in basketball games.
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