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Unfounded matchfixing accusations are not welcome. Refrain from making off-the-wall accusations without concrete evidence.
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
September 27 2014 19:49 GMT
#6961
Today I didn't even got assist after I soaraka ulted someone with full hp plus some form of shield (barrier i think).
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 27 2014 19:55 GMT
#6962
It's always been like that though, if they're full HP you don't heal them so you don't get the assist marker.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 27 2014 19:57 GMT
#6963
On September 28 2014 04:49 Volband wrote:
Today I didn't even got assist after I soaraka ulted someone with full hp plus some form of shield (barrier i think).

Did you ask for a remake?
Glorious SEA doto
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
September 27 2014 20:34 GMT
#6964
I was never aware that this recall thing was considered a bug or anything(although Nick Allen's response is definitely incorrect). It's always felt like you get some weird immortality in the waning tenths of a second of a recall, even landing CCs let alone just some damage doesn't cancel it at that point.

I'm not sure why it's like that(my thought has always been that it is a sort of protection against potential issues of latency interacting with recall), but it's been that way for a long ass time, if not always(Neo or other players from the beta can confirm from even earlier than I can, but I started playing just after official release).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
September 27 2014 20:35 GMT
#6965
On September 28 2014 04:57 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2014 04:49 Volband wrote:
Today I didn't even got assist after I soaraka ulted someone with full hp plus some form of shield (barrier i think).

Did you ask for a remake?

I did, but Nick Allen fined me for $ 5000.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 27 2014 20:39 GMT
#6966
On September 28 2014 05:34 red_ wrote:
I was never aware that this recall thing was considered a bug or anything(although Nick Allen's response is definitely incorrect). It's always felt like you get some weird immortality in the waning tenths of a second of a recall, even landing CCs let alone just some damage doesn't cancel it at that point.

I'm not sure why it's like that(my thought has always been that it is a sort of protection against potential issues of latency interacting with recall), but it's been that way for a long ass time, if not always(Neo or other players from the beta can confirm from even earlier than I can, but I started playing just after official release).

Recall has always been like this, I saw someone link a Red post that it's gonna go through no matter what in the last .25 seconds. The real issue comes from the fact Kha has just been damaged and his Homeguards shouldn't have proced and soaz could have gotten at least one more auto off on the Nexus. There was debate over whether or not Maw's shield prevented him from taking damage but Reddit detectives figured out he actually did take damage and then proved the "homeguard bug" even occurred for standard autoattacks.
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Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
September 27 2014 20:46 GMT
#6967
Oh soaz, only if u had sold that liandry...
Or ulted better...
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 27 2014 21:09 GMT
#6968
'cept Kha'Zix leaped out of the pit. The MS buff doesn't matter, the Rumble ult doesn't matter, he used his MS-independant mobility spell to reach Rumble who had stopped the MS buff with his ult.
Only impact was if Rumble tried to kill Kha'Zix. He didn't, so the 200 or so HP healed by Homeguard don't even matter.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
September 27 2014 21:32 GMT
#6969
I had a feeling that when I went to sleep I would wake up and see that Alliance beat white shield and of course it had to happen. What is with fucking EU teams playing like shit in some games and then looking amazing in others? NA teams always seem around the same level in each game and sometimes that's enough to win, but then other times they just get destroyed.

I'm hoping C9 will force the tiebreaker, but it seems really unlikely. I didn't see the Alliance/Shield game so idk what exactly happened, but I guarantee that Shield isnt going to play that badly against C9. NA just doesn't win vs. KR, just like EU doesnt win against CN.
Maluk
Profile Joined August 2011
France987 Posts
September 27 2014 21:33 GMT
#6970
The thing is if Soaz knew Khazix had homeguards he could have used his ult differently, because it becomes obviously pointless to aim it at the fountain. I'm not aasking for a remake though (please don't fine me Riot), I just think that it's the main problem about this whole story.
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
September 27 2014 21:40 GMT
#6971
On September 28 2014 06:09 Alaric wrote:
'cept Kha'Zix leaped out of the pit. The MS buff doesn't matter, the Rumble ult doesn't matter, he used his MS-independant mobility spell to reach Rumble who had stopped the MS buff with his ult.
Only impact was if Rumble tried to kill Kha'Zix. He didn't, so the 200 or so HP healed by Homeguard don't even matter.

"200 or so" ... http://i.imgur.com/lj5z5FV.jpg - It mattered.

Now that I read all the related stuff, it's clear that Fnatic should be allowed to ask for a remake. Riot's only excuse could be that it's a very long lived bug, but at the end of the day, it's still one. Nowhere it is stated that this recall interaction is a deliberate feature, it's just what we got used to so we don't question it.

But Nick Allen is useless, and only good for making meme's about him, so whatever.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
September 27 2014 21:47 GMT
#6972
--- Nuked ---
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
September 27 2014 21:48 GMT
#6973
I really hope they don't remake over a dumb reason like this. Would be really lame in my opinion.
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IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
September 27 2014 22:01 GMT
#6974
On September 28 2014 06:47 krndandaman wrote:
I don't understand these groups...

All I know is I'm hoping for the 4 way tie in group C and the 3 way tie in group D.
With all these crazy results I want to see the winners come out in tie-breakers to settle it all.

Also props to EU with all the games they've been taking off the koreans. super impressive. If NA goes another tournament without beating a Korean team imma say EU>NA definitively.

also teams, pls ban Irelia/Lee from Alliance.

EU is also 0-4 vs. China while NA is 2-1 vs. China...

saying that EU > NA is a pretty big stretch when they went even otherwise. EU teams can beat KR teams though, while NA can't.
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
September 27 2014 22:01 GMT
#6975
On September 28 2014 06:48 RagequitBM wrote:
I really hope they don't remake over a dumb reason like this. Would be really lame in my opinion.

To be honest it's lame either way. But from a marketing standpoint, they should definitely avoid remaking, because that would be much bigger news than not remaking.

No remake? Who cares, Fnatic denied a very possible win, but they could've won anyway if they were smarter so let's just pretend it's no biggie, even though it is.
Remake. OH MY FUC... RIOT LOVES WESTERN REG.... IT'S A CONSPIRA... yada yada

Yeah, no one needs the drama.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
September 27 2014 22:10 GMT
#6976
People are overrating [A] and Fnatic wins so hard though, lol.
Like, it doesn't mean shit, yes, props to both, you won bo1 against Blue who were celebrating their 6-0 before the game and against Shield who were 4-0 and already through.

Does it change anything with bo5s? No.
Only real difference is that [A] don't seem to choke on stage anymore after Day 1, so their series with Blue might go for more than 3 games.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-27 22:12:47
September 27 2014 22:12 GMT
#6977
On September 28 2014 07:01 Volband wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2014 06:48 RagequitBM wrote:
I really hope they don't remake over a dumb reason like this. Would be really lame in my opinion.

To be honest it's lame either way. But from a marketing standpoint, they should definitely avoid remaking, because that would be much bigger news than not remaking.

No remake? Who cares, Fnatic denied a very possible win, but they could've won anyway if they were smarter so let's just pretend it's no biggie, even though it is.
Remake. OH MY FUC... RIOT LOVES WESTERN REG.... IT'S A CONSPIRA... yada yada

Yeah, no one needs the drama.

wait what, i thought we already decided it was no bug and legit?
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
September 27 2014 22:24 GMT
#6978
On September 28 2014 06:40 Volband wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2014 06:09 Alaric wrote:
'cept Kha'Zix leaped out of the pit. The MS buff doesn't matter, the Rumble ult doesn't matter, he used his MS-independant mobility spell to reach Rumble who had stopped the MS buff with his ult.
Only impact was if Rumble tried to kill Kha'Zix. He didn't, so the 200 or so HP healed by Homeguard don't even matter.

"200 or so" ... http://i.imgur.com/lj5z5FV.jpg - It mattered.

Now that I read all the related stuff, it's clear that Fnatic should be allowed to ask for a remake. Riot's only excuse could be that it's a very long lived bug, but at the end of the day, it's still one. Nowhere it is stated that this recall interaction is a deliberate feature, it's just what we got used to so we don't question it.

But Nick Allen is useless, and only good for making meme's about him, so whatever.


So he gets about 700, but he definitely doesn't drop below that fighting Soaz so it still didn't matter(he heals to full right after, so you can't say that he would've been easily dispatched by Xpeke/Cyanide after).

The only possible argument is that if he had less health, MAYBE Soaz decides to just try to fight him directly instead and wins, leaving only Gogoing to defend against Xpeke/Cyanide, but now that is so many incredible 'what ifs' that it is insane to declare a rematch.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
September 27 2014 22:40 GMT
#6979
On September 28 2014 07:10 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
People are overrating [A] and Fnatic wins so hard though, lol.
Like, it doesn't mean shit, yes, props to both, you won bo1 against Blue who were celebrating their 6-0 before the game and against Shield who were 4-0 and already through.

Does it change anything with bo5s? No.
Only real difference is that [A] don't seem to choke on stage anymore after Day 1, so their series with Blue might go for more than 3 games.

Still having perfect game vs top 3 KR after how badly western world got stomped by K and Bullets this year is huge.
Also you need to remember that Alliance throw first game super hard.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
September 27 2014 22:58 GMT
#6980
On September 28 2014 07:40 orzeu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2014 07:10 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
People are overrating [A] and Fnatic wins so hard though, lol.
Like, it doesn't mean shit, yes, props to both, you won bo1 against Blue who were celebrating their 6-0 before the game and against Shield who were 4-0 and already through.

Does it change anything with bo5s? No.
Only real difference is that [A] don't seem to choke on stage anymore after Day 1, so their series with Blue might go for more than 3 games.

Still having perfect game vs top 3 KR after how badly western world got stomped by K and Bullets this year is huge.
Also you need to remember that Alliance throw first game super hard.


Well, if [A] can't take games from arguably, in those conditions, 5th-6th Korean team at best, then we're really in trouble, not taking anything from Froggen and Co ofc.

Like, literally, Shield got carried to Worlds by watch and Zefa and watch doesn't perform at all at Worlds, what can you expect.
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