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On April 04 2014 04:25 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:24 MattBarry wrote:On April 04 2014 04:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:22 MattBarry wrote:On April 04 2014 04:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:13 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 04 2014 04:12 orzeu wrote:On April 04 2014 04:07 Redox wrote:
How could anyone hate Fnatic? Most old school team, genuinely nice guys that never flame, handsome, interesting playstyle. There is literally nothing to hate. Abusive playstyle that only work against mediocre teams. Because of it they won 2 splits since S2 Regionals, were 2nd on 2 IEMs and top-4 in 3rd and top-4 on Worlds obviously. + Legendary IPL 5. xPeke might be overrated a bit, but when Fnatic are in top-form, they're awesome. Fnatic has terrible results and they're highly overrated. They win EU LCS which doesn't mean shit, their IEM and World's performance was hinged on stomping on C9 which also doesn't mean shit, and IPL5 they did nothing but beat TPA who was washed up and playing on a meta that didn't favor them and regional players CLG and M5. Got trounced convincingly by WE when WE was good. I don't know if you like any western team, but rest assured if you do then Fnatic is better than that team. Being the best western team does mean shit whether you agree or not No it doesn't. That's like saying Idra/Nony/White-Ra were good in BW. The BW western scene isn't remotely comparable to western LoL scene. You can't be serious Being the best western team doesn't mean anything when the finals of the past two Worlds consisted of four Asian teams, and semifinals would've consisted of more if not for rigged brackets/invites/group stage setups.
You cant be serious, They just won a league twice where every week 100k-200k tune in to watch them. Thats like saying the english premier league doesnt mean shit, cause they get owned in the CL by spanish teams or Bayern Munich. Ridicolous statement.
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On April 04 2014 04:31 AsnSensation wrote:
saying clg/tsm (especially clg lol) might be better than fnatic but conveniently leaving c9 out of the equation because fnatic has a winning record over 3 bo3's over them, nice!
TSM and CLG are both playing well in the US LCS atm and we have little to no head to head matches between them and fnatic so yes I agree with Cheep on this.
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Baa?21244 Posts
On April 04 2014 04:30 KissBlade wrote:
TL:DR: Yes there are people who dislike fnatic. And their fanboys are worse than TSM =).
This is true. The one thing that TSM fans have over FNC fans is that TSM fans aren't delude dinto thinking TSM > Korea lol.
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On April 04 2014 04:31 Kenpark wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:25 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:24 MattBarry wrote:On April 04 2014 04:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:22 MattBarry wrote:On April 04 2014 04:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:13 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 04 2014 04:12 orzeu wrote:On April 04 2014 04:07 Redox wrote:
How could anyone hate Fnatic? Most old school team, genuinely nice guys that never flame, handsome, interesting playstyle. There is literally nothing to hate. Abusive playstyle that only work against mediocre teams. Because of it they won 2 splits since S2 Regionals, were 2nd on 2 IEMs and top-4 in 3rd and top-4 on Worlds obviously. + Legendary IPL 5. xPeke might be overrated a bit, but when Fnatic are in top-form, they're awesome. Fnatic has terrible results and they're highly overrated. They win EU LCS which doesn't mean shit, their IEM and World's performance was hinged on stomping on C9 which also doesn't mean shit, and IPL5 they did nothing but beat TPA who was washed up and playing on a meta that didn't favor them and regional players CLG and M5. Got trounced convincingly by WE when WE was good. I don't know if you like any western team, but rest assured if you do then Fnatic is better than that team. Being the best western team does mean shit whether you agree or not No it doesn't. That's like saying Idra/Nony/White-Ra were good in BW. The BW western scene isn't remotely comparable to western LoL scene. You can't be serious Being the best western team doesn't mean anything when the finals of the past two Worlds consisted of four Asian teams, and semifinals would've consisted of more if not for rigged brackets/invites/group stage setups. You cant be serious, They just won a league twice where every week 100k-200k tune in to watch them. Thats like saying the english premier league doesnt mean shit, cause they get owned in the CL by spanish teams or Bayern Munich. Ridicolous statement.
Viewer numbers are meaningless to gauge skill which is what Cheep is doing.
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On April 04 2014 04:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:30 KissBlade wrote:
TL:DR: Yes there are people who dislike fnatic. And their fanboys are worse than TSM =). This is true. The one thing that TSM fans have over FNC fans is that TSM fans aren't delude dinto thinking TSM > Korea lol.
Not anymore. That might have something to do with being like 0-15 against them though
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 04 2014 04:27 skykh wrote:
If there is no team that 27-1 or 28-0 in eu lcs, there is no hope for western teams. Dont rely on tsm and c9 please, tsm has still 0% winrate vs korean teams and c9 cant even beat fnatic.
Look at last worlds OMG literally trollpicked and stomped lemondogs top 2 eu team.
Who cares about regional competition if it's not OGN/LPL.
Thing is just that in whole West there are two teams - Fnatic and Gambit who proved that they won't choke against everything international against them. C9 were eliminated by Fnatic 3 times in international competition from 3.
Neo-TSM and Neo-CLG with Regi and Monte as coaches will perform i assume, probably Alliance also because of amount of raw talent in team, C9 will just stay as regional kings and choke every time.
But both LCSes are so weak that there is no hope to develop teams to fight Koreans/Chinese teams.
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On April 04 2014 04:32 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:31 Kenpark wrote:On April 04 2014 04:25 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:24 MattBarry wrote:On April 04 2014 04:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:22 MattBarry wrote:On April 04 2014 04:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:13 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 04 2014 04:12 orzeu wrote:On April 04 2014 04:07 Redox wrote:
How could anyone hate Fnatic? Most old school team, genuinely nice guys that never flame, handsome, interesting playstyle. There is literally nothing to hate. Abusive playstyle that only work against mediocre teams. Because of it they won 2 splits since S2 Regionals, were 2nd on 2 IEMs and top-4 in 3rd and top-4 on Worlds obviously. + Legendary IPL 5. xPeke might be overrated a bit, but when Fnatic are in top-form, they're awesome. Fnatic has terrible results and they're highly overrated. They win EU LCS which doesn't mean shit, their IEM and World's performance was hinged on stomping on C9 which also doesn't mean shit, and IPL5 they did nothing but beat TPA who was washed up and playing on a meta that didn't favor them and regional players CLG and M5. Got trounced convincingly by WE when WE was good. I don't know if you like any western team, but rest assured if you do then Fnatic is better than that team. Being the best western team does mean shit whether you agree or not No it doesn't. That's like saying Idra/Nony/White-Ra were good in BW. The BW western scene isn't remotely comparable to western LoL scene. You can't be serious Being the best western team doesn't mean anything when the finals of the past two Worlds consisted of four Asian teams, and semifinals would've consisted of more if not for rigged brackets/invites/group stage setups. You cant be serious, They just won a league twice where every week 100k-200k tune in to watch them. Thats like saying the english premier league doesnt mean shit, cause they get owned in the CL by spanish teams or Bayern Munich. Ridicolous statement. Viewer numbers are meaningless to gauge skill which is what Cheep is doing.
He was specifically talking about meaningfullness and results. It is complete nonsense from wherever you look at it. Cant believe I am even answering to this.
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On April 04 2014 04:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:30 KissBlade wrote:
TL:DR: Yes there are people who dislike fnatic. And their fanboys are worse than TSM =). This is true. The one thing that TSM fans have over FNC fans is that TSM fans aren't delude dinto thinking TSM > Korea lol.
Neither are fnatic fans, your hate for the LCS teams is just probably just too strong so that you think they are.
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I think on paper Alliance and Neo-CLG both look really strong. TSM has just disappointed me too many times in internationals so even though I'll root for them, I've lost a bit too much faith.
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Baa?21244 Posts
On April 04 2014 04:34 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:27 skykh wrote:
If there is no team that 27-1 or 28-0 in eu lcs, there is no hope for western teams. Dont rely on tsm and c9 please, tsm has still 0% winrate vs korean teams and c9 cant even beat fnatic.
Look at last worlds OMG literally trollpicked and stomped lemondogs top 2 eu team. Who cares about regional competition if it's not OGN/LPL. Thing is just that in whole West there are two teams - Fnatic and Gambit who proved that they won't choke against everything international against them. C9 were eliminated by Fnatic 3 times in international competition from 3. Neo-TSM and Neo-CLG with Regi and Monte as coaches will perform i assume, probably Alliance also because of amount of raw talent in team, C9 will just stay as regional kings and choke every time. But both LCSes are so weak that there is no hope to develop teams to fight Koreans/Chinese teams.
Even LPL competition is shit now. LPL stagnated/regressed compared to last season, and OMG is once again the only team to even be close to being competitive. The top tier of LPL can probalby beat the top tier of LCS pretty convincingly, but the mid tier of LPL is very lackluster.
LPL structure is currently:
Top:
S - OMG
A- - EDG
Mid:
B+ - LGD
B - WE
Low:
C- - EP.HK, iG
D- - Royal
F - PE
EDG has so many glaring weaknesses that are just painful to see, so we don't even need to look at anyone else.
OGN only thing that matters.
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Why didn't he just go to the turret? If he's gonna die anyway, may as well not give money
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Baa?21244 Posts
On April 04 2014 04:35 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:32 Gorsameth wrote:On April 04 2014 04:31 Kenpark wrote:On April 04 2014 04:25 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:24 MattBarry wrote:On April 04 2014 04:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:22 MattBarry wrote:On April 04 2014 04:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:13 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 04 2014 04:12 orzeu wrote:
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Abusive playstyle that only work against mediocre teams. Because of it they won 2 splits since S2 Regionals, were 2nd on 2 IEMs and top-4 in 3rd and top-4 on Worlds obviously. + Legendary IPL 5. xPeke might be overrated a bit, but when Fnatic are in top-form, they're awesome. Fnatic has terrible results and they're highly overrated. They win EU LCS which doesn't mean shit, their IEM and World's performance was hinged on stomping on C9 which also doesn't mean shit, and IPL5 they did nothing but beat TPA who was washed up and playing on a meta that didn't favor them and regional players CLG and M5. Got trounced convincingly by WE when WE was good. I don't know if you like any western team, but rest assured if you do then Fnatic is better than that team. Being the best western team does mean shit whether you agree or not No it doesn't. That's like saying Idra/Nony/White-Ra were good in BW. The BW western scene isn't remotely comparable to western LoL scene. You can't be serious Being the best western team doesn't mean anything when the finals of the past two Worlds consisted of four Asian teams, and semifinals would've consisted of more if not for rigged brackets/invites/group stage setups. You cant be serious, They just won a league twice where every week 100k-200k tune in to watch them. Thats like saying the english premier league doesnt mean shit, cause they get owned in the CL by spanish teams or Bayern Munich. Ridicolous statement. Viewer numbers are meaningless to gauge skill which is what Cheep is doing. He was specifically talking about meaningfullness and results. It is complete nonsense from wherever you look at it. Cant believe I am even answering to this.
Meaningful in terms of assessing teams based on how good they are. Winning LCS is meaningless if you want to compete with OGN teams.
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I've given up hope for the NA scene to catch up, but I think EU scene can stay relevant
On April 04 2014 04:39 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:35 AsnSensation wrote:On April 04 2014 04:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:30 KissBlade wrote:
TL:DR: Yes there are people who dislike fnatic. And their fanboys are worse than TSM =). This is true. The one thing that TSM fans have over FNC fans is that TSM fans aren't delude dinto thinking TSM > Korea lol. Neither are fnatic fans, your hate for the LCS teams is just probably just too strong so that you think they are. They definitely are. If your only exposure to LoL fandom is on TL, maybe you can think this, but TL represents an insignificant portion of the LoL viewer base, and trust me, a lot of them think FNC is competitive with OGN teams.
I think Fnatic could make Ro8 with an easy group draw. Against like Falcons, IM #1, and like Midas FiO
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Baa?21244 Posts
On April 04 2014 04:35 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:30 KissBlade wrote:
TL:DR: Yes there are people who dislike fnatic. And their fanboys are worse than TSM =). This is true. The one thing that TSM fans have over FNC fans is that TSM fans aren't delude dinto thinking TSM > Korea lol. Neither are fnatic fans, your hate for the LCS teams is just probably just too strong so that you think they are.
They definitely are. If your only exposure to LoL fandom is on TL, maybe you can think this, but TL represents an insignificant portion of the LoL viewer base, and trust me, a lot of them think FNC is competitive with OGN teams.
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What's up with this top lane triple doran gragas build? Am I seeing this properly?
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 04 2014 04:37 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:34 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 04 2014 04:27 skykh wrote:
If there is no team that 27-1 or 28-0 in eu lcs, there is no hope for western teams. Dont rely on tsm and c9 please, tsm has still 0% winrate vs korean teams and c9 cant even beat fnatic.
Look at last worlds OMG literally trollpicked and stomped lemondogs top 2 eu team. Who cares about regional competition if it's not OGN/LPL. Thing is just that in whole West there are two teams - Fnatic and Gambit who proved that they won't choke against everything international against them. C9 were eliminated by Fnatic 3 times in international competition from 3. Neo-TSM and Neo-CLG with Regi and Monte as coaches will perform i assume, probably Alliance also because of amount of raw talent in team, C9 will just stay as regional kings and choke every time. But both LCSes are so weak that there is no hope to develop teams to fight Koreans/Chinese teams. Even LPL competition is shit now. LPL stagnated/regressed compared to last season, and OMG is once again the only team to even be close to being competitive. The top tier of LPL can probalby beat the top tier of LCS pretty convincingly, but the mid tier of LPL is very lackluster. OGN only thing that matters.
LCS is no better in case of difference between top and mid/bot.
Thing is just in NA people actually care about regular season, in EU they don't.
But agreed.
On April 04 2014 04:39 ketchup wrote:
What's up with this top lane triple doran gragas build? Am I seeing this properly?
Youngbuck wants to win the lane.
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wtb better solo laners for CW
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On April 04 2014 04:37 KissBlade wrote:
I think on paper Alliance and Neo-CLG both look really strong. TSM has just disappointed me too many times in internationals so even though I'll root for them, I've lost a bit too much faith.
I feel TSM would be in a better position if Dyrus didn't choke every single time he plays in international competitions. Until he/they get over it I doubt it even matters how well they are playing before the event.
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On April 04 2014 04:39 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:35 AsnSensation wrote:On April 04 2014 04:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:30 KissBlade wrote:
TL:DR: Yes there are people who dislike fnatic. And their fanboys are worse than TSM =). This is true. The one thing that TSM fans have over FNC fans is that TSM fans aren't delude dinto thinking TSM > Korea lol. Neither are fnatic fans, your hate for the LCS teams is just probably just too strong so that you think they are. They definitely are. If your only exposure to LoL fandom is on TL, maybe you can think this, but TL represents an insignificant portion of the LoL viewer base, and trust me, a lot of them think FNC is competitive with OGN teams.
Probably man, but I'm sure there are just as many tsm fans that think they can go head to head with the top of ogn teams even with their 0-17 record or sth.
Both camps probably only watch LCS and no ogn games.
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United States23745 Posts
Over the top fanboys are dumb, just gotta tune out the noise. Kinda like how people hate Ohio State for their fans.
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