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Terrible drake control again from alliance
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Baa?21244 Posts
On April 04 2014 04:40 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:39 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:35 AsnSensation wrote:On April 04 2014 04:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:30 KissBlade wrote:
TL:DR: Yes there are people who dislike fnatic. And their fanboys are worse than TSM =). This is true. The one thing that TSM fans have over FNC fans is that TSM fans aren't delude dinto thinking TSM > Korea lol. Neither are fnatic fans, your hate for the LCS teams is just probably just too strong so that you think they are. They definitely are. If your only exposure to LoL fandom is on TL, maybe you can think this, but TL represents an insignificant portion of the LoL viewer base, and trust me, a lot of them think FNC is competitive with OGN teams. Probably man, but I'm sure there are just as many tsm fans that think they can go head to head with the top of ogn teams even with their 0-17 record or sth. Both camps probably only watch LCS and no ogn games.
Even the most deluded TSM fans have to face the 0-15 record. There has been a resurgence of TSM > SKT sentiment since they have a new roster though, but it's small compared to the number of people who think FNC is a top team.
The main cause/problem is that FNC doesn't have an extensive head-to-head record against top Korean teams. Until they got 3-0'ed by KTB at IEM people could defend their claims by saying we don't have any concrete results (conveniently, of course, ignoring the 3-1 by RYL).
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On April 04 2014 04:38 MattBarry wrote:I've given up hope for the NA scene to catch up, but I think EU scene can stay relevant Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:39 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:35 AsnSensation wrote:On April 04 2014 04:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:30 KissBlade wrote:
TL:DR: Yes there are people who dislike fnatic. And their fanboys are worse than TSM =). This is true. The one thing that TSM fans have over FNC fans is that TSM fans aren't delude dinto thinking TSM > Korea lol. Neither are fnatic fans, your hate for the LCS teams is just probably just too strong so that you think they are. They definitely are. If your only exposure to LoL fandom is on TL, maybe you can think this, but TL represents an insignificant portion of the LoL viewer base, and trust me, a lot of them think FNC is competitive with OGN teams. I think Fnatic could make Ro8 with an easy group draw. Against like Falcons, IM #1, and like Midas FiO
I think it's possible, but by saying that you're also admitting (correctly) that FNC has to rely on luck in being matched vs. bad teams to advance to the Ro8, meaning that they're a tier below the other Ro8 teams, and are not a top 8 Korean team.
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On April 04 2014 04:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:38 MattBarry wrote:I've given up hope for the NA scene to catch up, but I think EU scene can stay relevant On April 04 2014 04:39 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:35 AsnSensation wrote:On April 04 2014 04:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:30 KissBlade wrote:
TL:DR: Yes there are people who dislike fnatic. And their fanboys are worse than TSM =). This is true. The one thing that TSM fans have over FNC fans is that TSM fans aren't delude dinto thinking TSM > Korea lol. Neither are fnatic fans, your hate for the LCS teams is just probably just too strong so that you think they are. They definitely are. If your only exposure to LoL fandom is on TL, maybe you can think this, but TL represents an insignificant portion of the LoL viewer base, and trust me, a lot of them think FNC is competitive with OGN teams. I think Fnatic could make Ro8 with an easy group draw. Against like Falcons, IM #1, and like Midas FiO I think it's possible, but by saying that you're also admitting (correctly) that FNC has to rely on luck in being matched vs. bad teams to advance to the Ro8, meaning that they're a tier below the other Ro8 teams, and are not a top 8 Korean team.
At best they'd be number 8 but I haven't been watching as much masters as I should so idk
Edit: Nvm lol. After evaluating I think number 11 at best
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 04 2014 04:48 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:38 MattBarry wrote:I've given up hope for the NA scene to catch up, but I think EU scene can stay relevant On April 04 2014 04:39 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:35 AsnSensation wrote:On April 04 2014 04:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:30 KissBlade wrote:
TL:DR: Yes there are people who dislike fnatic. And their fanboys are worse than TSM =). This is true. The one thing that TSM fans have over FNC fans is that TSM fans aren't delude dinto thinking TSM > Korea lol. Neither are fnatic fans, your hate for the LCS teams is just probably just too strong so that you think they are. They definitely are. If your only exposure to LoL fandom is on TL, maybe you can think this, but TL represents an insignificant portion of the LoL viewer base, and trust me, a lot of them think FNC is competitive with OGN teams. I think Fnatic could make Ro8 with an easy group draw. Against like Falcons, IM #1, and like Midas FiO I think it's possible, but by saying that you're also admitting (correctly) that FNC has to rely on luck in being matched vs. bad teams to advance to the Ro8, meaning that they're a tier below the other Ro8 teams, and are not a top 8 Korean team. At best they'd be number 8 but I haven't been watching as much masters as I should so idk Edit: Nvm lol. After evaluating I think number 11 at best
10-11 as best, in good day even JinAir and IM squads are better, not speaking about SKT, KT, Najin, CJ and Samsung.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
And Froggen stole dragon with fucking Q.
Are you serious.
Thanks, Wolves, fuck tiebreakers.
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Did neither jungler smite...and Froggen just get the drag with zed damage? lol
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
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That a pretty nice play by amazing to kill froggen but a terrible call to continue baron
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LOL Wolves. Screw EU LCS, you clearly belong in NA
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On April 04 2014 04:53 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:48 MattBarry wrote:On April 04 2014 04:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:38 MattBarry wrote:I've given up hope for the NA scene to catch up, but I think EU scene can stay relevant On April 04 2014 04:39 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:35 AsnSensation wrote:On April 04 2014 04:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:30 KissBlade wrote:
TL:DR: Yes there are people who dislike fnatic. And their fanboys are worse than TSM =). This is true. The one thing that TSM fans have over FNC fans is that TSM fans aren't delude dinto thinking TSM > Korea lol. Neither are fnatic fans, your hate for the LCS teams is just probably just too strong so that you think they are. They definitely are. If your only exposure to LoL fandom is on TL, maybe you can think this, but TL represents an insignificant portion of the LoL viewer base, and trust me, a lot of them think FNC is competitive with OGN teams. I think Fnatic could make Ro8 with an easy group draw. Against like Falcons, IM #1, and like Midas FiO I think it's possible, but by saying that you're also admitting (correctly) that FNC has to rely on luck in being matched vs. bad teams to advance to the Ro8, meaning that they're a tier below the other Ro8 teams, and are not a top 8 Korean team. At best they'd be number 8 but I haven't been watching as much masters as I should so idk Edit: Nvm lol. After evaluating I think number 11 at best 10-11 as best, in good day even JinAir and IM squads are better, not speaking about SKT, KT, Najin, CJ and Samsung.
KTA, KTB, SKT S, SKT K, SGO, SGB, NJBS, NJWS, CJB, CJF are all better. There's really no need to justify this, just take KTB 3-0 as the basis here.
IM #1 and Jin Air Stealth are comparable (assuming Stealth doesn't choke, which to be fair, is a large part of their shit performance and needs to be accounted for).
FNC is better than Falcons and IM #2.
Then you have OMG and EDG whom I'd take comfortably above FNC.
LGD with international experience, iG on a good day, and WE when they learn how to play are comparable/better than FNC. iG split 1-1 with FNC in IEM so we'll take that as the basis here.
Assuming FNC > C9 and C9 = TSM, the top LCS team ranks somewhere in the ~12 - 16th range internationally.
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United States7639 Posts
On April 04 2014 04:43 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:40 AsnSensation wrote:On April 04 2014 04:39 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:35 AsnSensation wrote:On April 04 2014 04:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:30 KissBlade wrote:
TL:DR: Yes there are people who dislike fnatic. And their fanboys are worse than TSM =). This is true. The one thing that TSM fans have over FNC fans is that TSM fans aren't delude dinto thinking TSM > Korea lol. Neither are fnatic fans, your hate for the LCS teams is just probably just too strong so that you think they are. They definitely are. If your only exposure to LoL fandom is on TL, maybe you can think this, but TL represents an insignificant portion of the LoL viewer base, and trust me, a lot of them think FNC is competitive with OGN teams. Probably man, but I'm sure there are just as many tsm fans that think they can go head to head with the top of ogn teams even with their 0-17 record or sth. Both camps probably only watch LCS and no ogn games. Even the most deluded TSM fans have to face the 0-15 record. There has been a resurgence of TSM > SKT sentiment since they have a new roster though, but it's small compared to the number of people who think FNC is a top team. The main cause/problem is that FNC doesn't have an extensive head-to-head record against top Korean teams. Until they got 3-0'ed by KTB at IEM people could defend their claims by saying we don't have any concrete results (conveniently, of course, ignoring the 3-1 by RYL).
you must have missed the LR thread a couple of weeks ago when someone (i think wei2coolman?) was arguing that TSM could definitely get out of groups at OGN lol
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And it's even hard to rate the 2nd tier korean teams, since most of the games we see them play they go against absolute monsters like the CJ, SKT, KT etc. Who knows how good they'd be on the western scene?
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On April 04 2014 04:58 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:43 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:40 AsnSensation wrote:On April 04 2014 04:39 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:35 AsnSensation wrote:On April 04 2014 04:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:30 KissBlade wrote:
TL:DR: Yes there are people who dislike fnatic. And their fanboys are worse than TSM =). This is true. The one thing that TSM fans have over FNC fans is that TSM fans aren't delude dinto thinking TSM > Korea lol. Neither are fnatic fans, your hate for the LCS teams is just probably just too strong so that you think they are. They definitely are. If your only exposure to LoL fandom is on TL, maybe you can think this, but TL represents an insignificant portion of the LoL viewer base, and trust me, a lot of them think FNC is competitive with OGN teams. Probably man, but I'm sure there are just as many tsm fans that think they can go head to head with the top of ogn teams even with their 0-17 record or sth. Both camps probably only watch LCS and no ogn games. Even the most deluded TSM fans have to face the 0-15 record. There has been a resurgence of TSM > SKT sentiment since they have a new roster though, but it's small compared to the number of people who think FNC is a top team. The main cause/problem is that FNC doesn't have an extensive head-to-head record against top Korean teams. Until they got 3-0'ed by KTB at IEM people could defend their claims by saying we don't have any concrete results (conveniently, of course, ignoring the 3-1 by RYL). you must have missed the LR thread a couple of weeks ago when someone (i think wei2coolman?) was arguing that TSM could definitely get out of groups at OGN lol
Oh no I saw that and I'm pretty sure I called him retarded. That used to happen a lot more than it does not so maybe my perception is skewed by that? Regardless if you look at something like Reddit you'll see that the unironic FNC > OGN fans number much greater than the unironic TSM > OGN fans.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 04 2014 04:58 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:43 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:40 AsnSensation wrote:On April 04 2014 04:39 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:35 AsnSensation wrote:On April 04 2014 04:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:30 KissBlade wrote:
TL:DR: Yes there are people who dislike fnatic. And their fanboys are worse than TSM =). This is true. The one thing that TSM fans have over FNC fans is that TSM fans aren't delude dinto thinking TSM > Korea lol. Neither are fnatic fans, your hate for the LCS teams is just probably just too strong so that you think they are. They definitely are. If your only exposure to LoL fandom is on TL, maybe you can think this, but TL represents an insignificant portion of the LoL viewer base, and trust me, a lot of them think FNC is competitive with OGN teams. Probably man, but I'm sure there are just as many tsm fans that think they can go head to head with the top of ogn teams even with their 0-17 record or sth. Both camps probably only watch LCS and no ogn games. Even the most deluded TSM fans have to face the 0-15 record. There has been a resurgence of TSM > SKT sentiment since they have a new roster though, but it's small compared to the number of people who think FNC is a top team. The main cause/problem is that FNC doesn't have an extensive head-to-head record against top Korean teams. Until they got 3-0'ed by KTB at IEM people could defend their claims by saying we don't have any concrete results (conveniently, of course, ignoring the 3-1 by RYL). you must have missed the LR thread a couple of weeks ago when someone (i think wei2coolman?) was arguing that TSM could definitely get out of groups at OGN lol
Thank God that we have him in LR threads.
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Man I thought it was over lol. People will call it a throw again, but that was actually very wp by Froggen and Wickd to delay that one.
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Did it switch to NALCS halfway through this game?
I don't understand how I start watching and first thing I see of LCS this week is a baron throw LOL
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On April 04 2014 04:58 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:43 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:40 AsnSensation wrote:On April 04 2014 04:39 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:35 AsnSensation wrote:On April 04 2014 04:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 04 2014 04:30 KissBlade wrote:
TL:DR: Yes there are people who dislike fnatic. And their fanboys are worse than TSM =). This is true. The one thing that TSM fans have over FNC fans is that TSM fans aren't delude dinto thinking TSM > Korea lol. Neither are fnatic fans, your hate for the LCS teams is just probably just too strong so that you think they are. They definitely are. If your only exposure to LoL fandom is on TL, maybe you can think this, but TL represents an insignificant portion of the LoL viewer base, and trust me, a lot of them think FNC is competitive with OGN teams. Probably man, but I'm sure there are just as many tsm fans that think they can go head to head with the top of ogn teams even with their 0-17 record or sth. Both camps probably only watch LCS and no ogn games. Even the most deluded TSM fans have to face the 0-15 record. There has been a resurgence of TSM > SKT sentiment since they have a new roster though, but it's small compared to the number of people who think FNC is a top team. The main cause/problem is that FNC doesn't have an extensive head-to-head record against top Korean teams. Until they got 3-0'ed by KTB at IEM people could defend their claims by saying we don't have any concrete results (conveniently, of course, ignoring the 3-1 by RYL). you must have missed the LR thread a couple of weeks ago when someone (i think wei2coolman?) was arguing that TSM could definitely get out of groups at OGN lol
That's wei2coolman we're talking about. When you have 20k posts there's a good chance most of them are not very thoughtful.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 04 2014 04:59 Anakko wrote:
And it's even hard to rate the 2nd tier korean teams, since most of the games we see them play they go against absolute monsters like the CJ, SKT, KT etc. Who knows how good they'd be on the western scene?
If LMQ goes with 20+ wins in NA LCS, i will literally laugh.
And that's 2nd tier CHINESE team, not even Korean.
Even though, Quantic failed but shit happens.
On April 04 2014 05:00 Redox wrote:
Man I thought it was over lol. People will call it a throw again, but that was actually very wp by Froggen and Wickd to delay that one.
Froggen and Wickd are just carrying [A] last 4-5 weeks.
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Alliance is hopefully going to boot camp dragon control for playoffs.
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