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On April 08 2014 03:41 chalice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 21:34 MCMilo wrote:
Even being accused of "taking it easy" is incredibly stressful to the players. When 5 hardworking players simply try their best and then look at forums seeing netizens post about "donating K their spot", or "matchfixing" it's very demoralizing to the players and I don't think SKT as an organization is actually retarded enough to THROW away their talent in Team S just to give Team K a second chance in OGN.
Imagine the upside for SKT if Team S advances to the quarterfinals. They get validation as not just a "secondary" team to Team K and they get the chance to show what they're made of on the big stage and gives their newer players experience going against better teams. It also gives Team S's players a lot more confidence and when their newer players get more confident they start to play more consistently and really solidify their identity as a group of players playing the game the way they want to play. you guys talking about skt's motivations for throwing from a results and upsides perspective don't get it. if K threw their second game against S to increase the chances of both teams making out of the group, they were basically locked in to a "return the favor" throw should the situation occur where S's result against prime in the last match determined K's fate. the guilt from S and the blame/resentment from K would pretty much destroy the organization if K got knocked out of the tournament in large part due to letting S win a game.
sure, but that's based on the assumption that K threw one game to S, which after looking at how they've been playing I'm not entirely sure is true.
K hasn't been playing all that well as of late plus S has shown that they're capable of taking games off of anyone if the stars align.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
what game before the throw against s showed terrible weakness?
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against samsung blue at wgc qualifiers i guess
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On April 08 2014 08:52 AlterKot wrote:
against samsung blue at wgc qualifiers i guess
He said S not K.
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I'm pretty sure after the whole Savior thing the Korean esports scene is really sensitive about this stuff. SKT is like the number one esports organization over there and I don't think they would intentionally have S throw since all eyes are on them and the situation is obviously going to bring up some questions.
Is it so hard to believe that a team can have good and bad days and it just happened to lead to this tiebreak situation?
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
teams have always done this 'strategic' manipulation thing, but they are not stigmatized quite in the same way as individual players in a betting scandal are. part of it is the rationalization that this maneuver is still done in the service of winning, but part is also about how kespa is literally these teams and the power of judging or moralizing is wielded by the same people running the show.
the fans may argue whatever but it's not of any consequence
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On April 08 2014 08:23 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 03:41 chalice wrote:On April 07 2014 21:34 MCMilo wrote:
Even being accused of "taking it easy" is incredibly stressful to the players. When 5 hardworking players simply try their best and then look at forums seeing netizens post about "donating K their spot", or "matchfixing" it's very demoralizing to the players and I don't think SKT as an organization is actually retarded enough to THROW away their talent in Team S just to give Team K a second chance in OGN.
Imagine the upside for SKT if Team S advances to the quarterfinals. They get validation as not just a "secondary" team to Team K and they get the chance to show what they're made of on the big stage and gives their newer players experience going against better teams. It also gives Team S's players a lot more confidence and when their newer players get more confident they start to play more consistently and really solidify their identity as a group of players playing the game the way they want to play. you guys talking about skt's motivations for throwing from a results and upsides perspective don't get it. if K threw their second game against S to increase the chances of both teams making out of the group, they were basically locked in to a "return the favor" throw should the situation occur where S's result against prime in the last match determined K's fate. the guilt from S and the blame/resentment from K would pretty much destroy the organization if K got knocked out of the tournament in large part due to letting S win a game. sure, but that's based on the assumption that K threw one game to S, which after looking at how they've been playing I'm not entirely sure is true. K hasn't been playing all that well as of late plus S has shown that they're capable of taking games off of anyone if the stars align.
yeah it's basing things on the premise that skt is willing to sacrifice individual game competitive integrity for wider organizational competitive goals, if they are willing to throw games after the AHQ stuff came to light, certainly they would have been willing to before that became public in a more clearly advantageous situation (increasing the chances for both teams to advance). if that's something that they're just not willing to do then it doesn't really matter what their motivations would be.
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On April 08 2014 12:27 oneofthem wrote:
teams have always done this 'strategic' manipulation thing, but they are not stigmatized quite in the same way as individual players in a betting scandal are. part of it is the rationalization that this maneuver is still done in the service of winning, but part is also about how kespa is literally these teams and the power of judging or moralizing is wielded by the same people running the show.
the fans may argue whatever but it's not of any consequence
yeah you have to look at it in the viewpoint of the real competition being SKT's supremacy over KT, not who is going to win a particular match.
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Australia18228 Posts
Need to see KaKAO's reaction if there's KT team-kill in Ro8
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support vel'koz. callin it now
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K just banned Ziggs. It's over; GG 
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United States7639 Posts
renekton and ziggs banned. K shows no mercy.
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these S picks/bans are hilarious. Is this season 3?
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what the fuck
TF and Twitch picked? da fuq is this
been a while since we've seen Olaf too
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sktK 2-0 or i chop off my dick
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On April 09 2014 19:17 justiceknight wrote:
sktK 2-0 or i chop off my dick
its a bo1 so..........
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Bengi has been slumping these last few games.
And now Marin with the fastest tear. This is going to be..umm...hell.
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On April 09 2014 19:18 GTR wrote:
1:30 tear.
okay.
Can you imagine if SKT T1 S was the one to make a lvl 1 mistake like that? The cries of matchfixing would be deafening :O
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EPT
