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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On February 24 2014 22:59 Enken wrote:
Nien,from my point of view the weakest top laner in NA atm.
he always lose his lane even when his matchup is Shyv vs Mundo.
And when the jungler come to give him a big lead' he just do nothing have no impact, all he do is just proxy farm between tower.. but proxy farm shyva just don't care, it's k give some free farm to shyvana nice...
i don't understand why the only thing he do when he is ahead is just going to proxy between tower ._.
You need to finally understand that game isn't only about laning.
Nien draws tons of attention from other team therefore dexter can call for objectives on other side of the map.
Nien roams way more time than other toplaners in NA.
CLG don't need to win every lane. They have Liftlift and Aphromoo who almost never lose, Link almost never lose and CLG finally since Azubu Summer 2012 have actual jungler.
I don't want to ask for more :D
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On February 24 2014 23:05 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2014 22:59 Enken wrote:
Nien,from my point of view the weakest top laner in NA atm.
he always lose his lane even when his matchup is Shyv vs Mundo.
And when the jungler come to give him a big lead' he just do nothing have no impact, all he do is just proxy farm between tower.. but proxy farm shyva just don't care, it's k give some free farm to shyvana nice...
i don't understand why the only thing he do when he is ahead is just going to proxy between tower ._. You need to finally understand that game isn't only about laning. Nien draws tons of attention from other team therefore dexter can call for objectives on other side of the map. Nien roams way more time than other toplaners in NA. CLG don't need to win every lane. They have Liftlift and Aphromoo who almost never lose, Link almost never lose and CLG finally since Azubu Summer 2012 have actual jungler. I don't want to ask for more :D
Except he doesn't draw any attention at all because he's always losing his lane and never putting on pressure. Getting first Blood as Renekton and being 11 to 9 and still losing a duel is unbelievably bad especially at the competitive level where you should never die 1v1 top lane in the first place. It's not like he didn't have plenty of time to shop or that he didn't know he was down on items, he just chose to be all around terrible as always. If they replaced him with someone who could actually win their top lane once in a while they'd easily be a top 3 team no doubt seeing how his team fighting isn't any better than anyone else in the LCS either.
And to say he roams more than Balls is an utter joke. There is a reason Meteos is able to invade pretty much anywhere he wants whenever he wants. Because Balls has his back. Would you trust Nein having your back?? He's also always around for dragon fights because he's able to bully his lane hard enough to show up for them most of the time.
Balls only downside is his seemingly really shallow champion pool, tbh. Although that seems to be a problem with C9 in general this season outside Hai.
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On February 24 2014 23:05 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2014 22:59 Enken wrote:
Nien,from my point of view the weakest top laner in NA atm.
he always lose his lane even when his matchup is Shyv vs Mundo.
And when the jungler come to give him a big lead' he just do nothing have no impact, all he do is just proxy farm between tower.. but proxy farm shyva just don't care, it's k give some free farm to shyvana nice...
i don't understand why the only thing he do when he is ahead is just going to proxy between tower ._. You need to finally understand that game isn't only about laning. Nien draws tons of attention from other team therefore dexter can call for objectives on other side of the map. Nien roams way more time than other toplaners in NA. CLG don't need to win every lane. They have Liftlift and Aphromoo who almost never lose, Link almost never lose and CLG finally since Azubu Summer 2012 have actual jungler. I don't want to ask for more :D
Nien doesn't win lanes and doesn't draw pressure either.
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holy shit dignitias is so bad sometimes. Like in their win over C9 they looked SO good but even in their win against XDG... Just sloppy and boring to watch
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How can you draw attention when you're a shyvana and lost in cs against a mundo in pure 1v1, or just lost the advantage the jungler give you.
You should always ask more, that's how SKT T1 K is so good, just look how their laning phase is good, the same thing for the chinese teams the game fnatic vs RC is just incredible.
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omg, the vods on twitch lag like hell and the youtube vod has a whopping 144 px resolution. FU
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On February 24 2014 23:31 Figgy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2014 23:05 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On February 24 2014 22:59 Enken wrote:
Nien,from my point of view the weakest top laner in NA atm.
he always lose his lane even when his matchup is Shyv vs Mundo.
And when the jungler come to give him a big lead' he just do nothing have no impact, all he do is just proxy farm between tower.. but proxy farm shyva just don't care, it's k give some free farm to shyvana nice...
i don't understand why the only thing he do when he is ahead is just going to proxy between tower ._. You need to finally understand that game isn't only about laning. Nien draws tons of attention from other team therefore dexter can call for objectives on other side of the map. Nien roams way more time than other toplaners in NA. CLG don't need to win every lane. They have Liftlift and Aphromoo who almost never lose, Link almost never lose and CLG finally since Azubu Summer 2012 have actual jungler. I don't want to ask for more :D Except he doesn't draw any attention at all because he's always losing his lane and never putting on pressure. Getting first Blood as Renekton and being 11 to 9 and still losing a duel is unbelievably bad especially at the competitive level where you should never die 1v1 top lane in the first place. It's not like he didn't have plenty of time to shop or that he didn't know he was down on items, he just chose to be all around terrible as always. If they replaced him with someone who could actually win their top lane once in a while they'd easily be a top 3 team no doubt seeing how his team fighting isn't any better than anyone else in the LCS either. And to say he roams more than Balls is an utter joke. There is a reason Meteos is able to invade pretty much anywhere he wants whenever he wants. Because Balls has his back. Would you trust Nein having your back?? He's also always around for dragon fights because he's able to bully his lane hard enough to show up for them most of the time. Balls only downside is his seemingly really shallow champion pool, tbh. Although that seems to be a problem with C9 in general this season outside Hai.
Meteos is invading because Hai is pushing like non-stop, not because Balls got his back.
And losing duel with 2k in inventory when Shyvana against you have 5 points in E already isn't bad as mechanical, it's just about mindset. He admitted that he made a mistake, now move on.
Are you drunk? Balls almost never grabs a tp. Balls is all about winning lane, then moving to dragon, then pushing as team because it's C9's playstyle. CLG doesn't need it. They have 2 won lanes almost every game and all what Nien and almost every other toplaner has to do in this kind of situation - just be in front, other will do a job.
Sometimes he plays amazing sometimes he makes abysmal plays. It's ok, he will grow up.
And yes, i'm fucking okay with CLG not changing roster more. If you cheered for them for 3,5 years, you would have understood.
And C9 don't really have shallow champion pools. They just play what they consider the best, that's all. It was same before, it's same now. I don't think that guys who once were as five in top-10 of Challenger not even being in LCS, can't play everything on decent level.
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Baa?21243 Posts
It's telling that Balls somehow manages to exert more pressure on the map without TP than Nien does with a TP.
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On February 25 2014 04:30 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
It's telling that Balls somehow manages to exert more pressure on the map without TP than Nien does with a TP.
It's this exactly.
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On February 24 2014 15:20 schmutttt wrote:
Er so CLG being consistently good is really wierd, I keep going onto reddit each morning to check the overnight results and expect to see losses vs EG/XDG/Coast and yet we keep winning. Could we actually finish top two? I'm starting to worry that this is just going to be an even bigger disappointment :/
I find it interesting how in you phrasing CLG went from CLG to 'we' the moment they started winning XD
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I'm not going to get on the nein need to be replaced bandwagon but I do think wonderful is overestimating his prowess.
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Nien just needs to never buy an offensive item ever again.
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I don't want CLG to find a new toplaner I want Nien to play ADC again, that's all.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On February 25 2014 05:52 Slusher wrote:
I'm not going to get on the nein need to be replaced bandwagon but I do think wonderful is overestimating his prowess.
Probably i just hate idea of another CLG roster swap as much that i'm ready to defend everyone in this roster up to death D:
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Baa?21243 Posts
On February 25 2014 09:12 krndandaman wrote:
Sneaky has played most adc's to the same level. I think he played nearly every viable adc this split.
Lemon plays all the fotm supports. Annie, Leona, Thresh
Sneaky has played all ADCs at the same terrible level, it's true :D
So when you're so shit that you're shit at everyone, your champion pool wraps around from 0 to max! huehue
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On February 25 2014 09:34 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 09:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On February 25 2014 09:12 krndandaman wrote:
Sneaky has played most adc's to the same level. I think he played nearly every viable adc this split.
Lemon plays all the fotm supports. Annie, Leona, Thresh Sneaky has played all ADCs at the same terrible level, it's true :D So when you're so shit that you're shit at everyone, your champion pool wraps around from 0 to max! huehue Hes not particularly impressive on any of them but I think that has more to do with his general playstyle/skill lol. Then again, he's actually one of the better ADC's in NA LCS. Only ones I can think that are better than him are Dlift, WT, and QT. Take it as you will.
Sneaky keeps getting underrated because he isn't flashy like DL/WT/QT are, and because he's overshadowed by his god-tier solo lane and jungle teammates. He's actually incredibly solid, it's just that solid isn't exciting.
Just imagine if WT had never left, though...
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United States37500 Posts
Sneaky does his role exceptionally. That doesn't mean he plays at the level of Double or Turtle but he is everything C9 wants/needs from an ADC. C9 already has star power in two, potentially three, positions as is. All bot lane needs to do is not fuck up and get farmed.
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