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skykh
Profile Joined September 2012
3006 Posts
January 25 2014 11:28 GMT
#3801
SKT

Gap

KTB

Gap

Blaze
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
January 25 2014 11:29 GMT
#3802
On January 25 2014 20:28 Fionn wrote:
Feel pretty confident the top three in the World right now are SKT, Bullets, and Blaze. Blaze also 10-0'ed WCG, so SKT would have probably done the same if they didn't take a night off versus Samsung Blue.

Hopefully LoL Masters shakes things up a bit.

To be fair China is still in the middle of a massive roster cataclysm with teams exploding left and right. It'll be interesting to see what happens in LPL
Glorious SEA doto
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 11:30:56
January 25 2014 11:29 GMT
#3803
On January 25 2014 20:23 Kinie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2014 20:22 Fusilero wrote:
On January 25 2014 20:22 Kinie wrote:
On January 25 2014 20:20 Ryuu314 wrote:
On January 25 2014 20:19 ffrozenfish wrote:
I think Riot need to increase the bans so teams have a decent change against SKT

I think most people agree that Riot needs to up bans and/or rework the pick/ban phase.


I'd be ok with introducing a 4th ban for each team, as the champion pool is starting to get to a point where 3 bans just aren't enough. What was it originally, like 3 bans for ~70 champs, and now they expect us to have 3 bans per team for 117 champs? It's just not enough.

They could increase number of bans by removing kassadin from the game


If you want to balance Kassadin, make his R be a CD of 20/16/12, problem solved.

I don't play or watch Dota 2, so I don't know too much about their pick/ban phase.

And Faker got MVP again, I think PoohManDu got robbed.

Dota 2 does it:
BAN -> BAN -> BAN -> BAN -> PICK -> PICK+PICK -> PICK -> BAN -> BAN -> BAN -> BAN -> PICK -> PICK -> PICK -> PICK -> BAN -> BAN -> PICK -> PICK

This makes it so more variety can be picked since there can be more thought given to making team comps. It also lets you pick more niche champs by late picking them/banning out their counters.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
January 25 2014 11:30 GMT
#3804
On January 25 2014 20:29 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2014 20:23 Kinie wrote:
On January 25 2014 20:22 Fusilero wrote:
On January 25 2014 20:22 Kinie wrote:
On January 25 2014 20:20 Ryuu314 wrote:
On January 25 2014 20:19 ffrozenfish wrote:
I think Riot need to increase the bans so teams have a decent change against SKT

I think most people agree that Riot needs to up bans and/or rework the pick/ban phase.


I'd be ok with introducing a 4th ban for each team, as the champion pool is starting to get to a point where 3 bans just aren't enough. What was it originally, like 3 bans for ~70 champs, and now they expect us to have 3 bans per team for 117 champs? It's just not enough.

They could increase number of bans by removing kassadin from the game


If you want to balance Kassadin, make his R be a CD of 20/16/12, problem solved.

I don't play or watch Dota 2, so I don't know too much about their pick/ban phase.

And Faker got MVP again, I think PoohManDu got robbed.

Dota 2 does it:
BAN -> BAN -> BAN -> BAN -> PICK -> PICK+PICK -> PICK -> BAN -> BAN -> BAN -> BAN -> PICK -> PICK -> PICK -> PICK -> BAN -> BAN -> PICK -> PICK


Dota 2 also has way more OP/viable champions in general
padfoota
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Taiwan1571 Posts
January 25 2014 11:30 GMT
#3805
PoohManDu really got robbed
Stop procrastinating
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
January 25 2014 11:30 GMT
#3806
Black Sword should be the 4th best or at least tied with Ozone, but they need to find a stable roster and not rotating their mid players down to support randomly.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9135 Posts
January 25 2014 11:31 GMT
#3807
On January 25 2014 20:28 Fionn wrote:
Feel pretty confident the top three in the World right now are SKT, Bullets, and Blaze. Blaze also 10-0'ed WCG, so SKT would have probably done the same if they didn't take a night off versus Samsung Blue.

Hopefully LoL Masters shakes things up a bit.

iG could have a legitimate claim, sad that China is so far behind on patches and we haven't seen anything on S4 from them yet
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
January 25 2014 11:32 GMT
#3808
On January 25 2014 20:31 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2014 20:28 Fionn wrote:
Feel pretty confident the top three in the World right now are SKT, Bullets, and Blaze. Blaze also 10-0'ed WCG, so SKT would have probably done the same if they didn't take a night off versus Samsung Blue.

Hopefully LoL Masters shakes things up a bit.

iG could have a legitimate claim, sad that China is so far behind on patches and we haven't seen anything on S4 from them yet

iG is pretty unproven. Beating frost at this point means nothing.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 11:33:59
January 25 2014 11:33 GMT
#3809
So an interesting thing ajsadler on Reddit in one of the spoiler threads pointed out, but for SKT T1's run, the listed champion pools being played are VERY diverse.

Impact: Shyvana 6 times, Mundo 4 times, Renekton 3 times, Shen twice, and Malphite, Rumble, and Singed once.
Bengi: Elise 6 times, Vi four times, Nunu and Olaf 3 times, Rengar and Xin Zhao once.
Faker: Riven, Gragas, Orianna and Zed 3 times, LeBlanc twice, Ahri, Kassadin, Nidalee and Karthus once.
Piglet: Sivir and Caitlyn 4 times, Vaynne 3 times, Lucian and Ezreal twice, Twitch, Corki and Graves once.
ManDu: Zyra 4 times, Annie and Lulu 3 times, Taric, Thresh and Alistar twice, Leona and Nami once.

What can you do to ban out a particular player against a champion pool that diverse?
padfoota
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Taiwan1571 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 11:33:59
January 25 2014 11:33 GMT
#3810
On January 25 2014 20:31 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2014 20:28 Fionn wrote:
Feel pretty confident the top three in the World right now are SKT, Bullets, and Blaze. Blaze also 10-0'ed WCG, so SKT would have probably done the same if they didn't take a night off versus Samsung Blue.

Hopefully LoL Masters shakes things up a bit.

iG could have a legitimate claim, sad that China is so far behind on patches and we haven't seen anything on S4 from them yet



I play in China. Tencent doesnt seem to care about League that much since it doesnt make as much money compared to other notable games that run in China, but the notable teams all play on NA/KR at times so it doesnt really matter for them
Stop procrastinating
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9135 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 11:34:31
January 25 2014 11:34 GMT
#3811
On January 25 2014 20:32 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2014 20:31 Dan HH wrote:
On January 25 2014 20:28 Fionn wrote:
Feel pretty confident the top three in the World right now are SKT, Bullets, and Blaze. Blaze also 10-0'ed WCG, so SKT would have probably done the same if they didn't take a night off versus Samsung Blue.

Hopefully LoL Masters shakes things up a bit.

iG could have a legitimate claim, sad that China is so far behind on patches and we haven't seen anything on S4 from them yet

iG is pretty unproven. Beating frost at this point means nothing.

They didn't just beat them, they humiliated them. And they won the last Chinese tournament but I agree they're unproven, especially since they haven't played competitively on the most recent 3 patches.

Anyway I think power rankings are dumb since there's absolutley no basis atm for even comparing these teams
skykh
Profile Joined September 2012
3006 Posts
January 25 2014 11:34 GMT
#3812
Club masters the only hope skt will fall.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
January 25 2014 11:35 GMT
#3813
On January 25 2014 20:34 skykh wrote:
Club masters the only hope skt will fall.


but club masters doesn't have any rules against just fielding one team do they? if things get grim, just field the K players huehuehue
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
January 25 2014 11:35 GMT
#3814
geez, mandu is a freaking giant. over a head taller than everyone else lol
Writer:o
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
January 25 2014 11:35 GMT
#3815
On January 25 2014 20:34 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2014 20:32 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On January 25 2014 20:31 Dan HH wrote:
On January 25 2014 20:28 Fionn wrote:
Feel pretty confident the top three in the World right now are SKT, Bullets, and Blaze. Blaze also 10-0'ed WCG, so SKT would have probably done the same if they didn't take a night off versus Samsung Blue.

Hopefully LoL Masters shakes things up a bit.

iG could have a legitimate claim, sad that China is so far behind on patches and we haven't seen anything on S4 from them yet

iG is pretty unproven. Beating frost at this point means nothing.

They didn't just beat them, they humiliated them. And they won the last Chinese tournament but I agree they're unproven, especially since they haven't played competitively on the most recent 3 patches.

Anyway I think power rankings are dumb since there's absolutley no basis atm for even comparing these teams

Frost kind of humiliated themselves. I mean, they fielded maknoon in that tournament to make things worse. Any top chinese team should be reckoned with, but after Worlds it seems like China started falling apart.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 11:37:54
January 25 2014 11:36 GMT
#3816
On January 25 2014 20:30 bokchoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2014 20:29 Ryuu314 wrote:
On January 25 2014 20:23 Kinie wrote:
On January 25 2014 20:22 Fusilero wrote:
On January 25 2014 20:22 Kinie wrote:
On January 25 2014 20:20 Ryuu314 wrote:
On January 25 2014 20:19 ffrozenfish wrote:
I think Riot need to increase the bans so teams have a decent change against SKT

I think most people agree that Riot needs to up bans and/or rework the pick/ban phase.


I'd be ok with introducing a 4th ban for each team, as the champion pool is starting to get to a point where 3 bans just aren't enough. What was it originally, like 3 bans for ~70 champs, and now they expect us to have 3 bans per team for 117 champs? It's just not enough.

They could increase number of bans by removing kassadin from the game


If you want to balance Kassadin, make his R be a CD of 20/16/12, problem solved.

I don't play or watch Dota 2, so I don't know too much about their pick/ban phase.

And Faker got MVP again, I think PoohManDu got robbed.

Dota 2 does it:
BAN -> BAN -> BAN -> BAN -> PICK -> PICK+PICK -> PICK -> BAN -> BAN -> BAN -> BAN -> PICK -> PICK -> PICK -> PICK -> BAN -> BAN -> PICK -> PICK


Dota 2 also has way more OP/viable champions in general

In terms of the percentage of the roster that's played, Dota 2 has a larger percentage, but not by much. Picks are also very similar to League in that there's a stable "core" of heroes that are always played and you get a few odd picks here and there.

Either way, Riot needs to look into at least just upping bans. Their stated reason of "not wanting to see players' signature champs always banned out" is a bad reason considering that already happens now on occasion, plus there are ways to structure pick/ban to not allow that to happen.
ffrozenfish
Profile Joined May 2011
820 Posts
January 25 2014 11:37 GMT
#3817
On January 25 2014 20:34 skykh wrote:
Club masters the only hope skt will fall.


They say club masters is like pro league. SKT is good with pro leagues haha
Give us our snipe back - Ghost
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
January 25 2014 11:38 GMT
#3818
I'm sad that Mandu didn't get MVP. He really deserved it imo, but Faker getting it is kinda expected.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
January 25 2014 11:38 GMT
#3819
On January 25 2014 20:37 ffrozenfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2014 20:34 skykh wrote:
Club masters the only hope skt will fall.


They say club masters is like pro league. SKT is good with pro leagues haha

Najin will be a strong team.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
January 25 2014 11:39 GMT
#3820
that looked like SKT just died in a planecrash wtf
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