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nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
September 02 2013 00:17 GMT
#5021
On September 02 2013 09:16 Volband wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 09:13 Dan HH wrote:
I wish teams like C9, OMG, Gamania, Lemondogs, etc. had at least 2-3 matches of interregional experience before being thrown in a pit for $2M at worlds.

It's gonna be exicitng for sure but I'm hoping for some format restructuring next season.

Exactly. It doesn't even makes sense from a spectator view: let's say all the possible teams C9 could face off againts would beat them. That means we 2 games where C9 is stomped, and that's all for Worlds. Just remember TSM vs Azubu, it was so sad.


A dual group format would be awesome.

One group filled with the winners of their respective regions and the other group has everyone else.

Top group fights for seeding and bottom group fights for places in the elim rounds.
Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
September 02 2013 00:18 GMT
#5022
Oh man, thinking back on Regi's Ashe/Zyra/Varus bans in that final match is bringing a smile to my face all over again.
PaniaoftheReef in Path of Exile TotA SSF SC // Lovelin fanclub // GreenTea #1
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
September 02 2013 00:18 GMT
#5023
On September 02 2013 09:16 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 09:13 MooMooMugi wrote:
TSM losing in group stages is highly likely right now unless they transform in the next few weeks


At this point it seems like it's more about not destructing further. I really wonder what happened this season internally. These guys have been together for so long it just seems strange for them to implode like this.

When you win everythinng it's easy to just ignore issues.
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
September 02 2013 00:18 GMT
#5024
On September 02 2013 09:15 Haasts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 09:13 Dan HH wrote:
I wish teams like C9, OMG, Gamania, Lemondogs, etc. had at least 2-3 matches of interregional experience before being thrown in a pit for $2M at worlds.

It's gonna be exicitng for sure but I'm hoping for some format restructuring next season.


This, so much. International experience and live experience are a little harder to come by with the current format.

They should also emerge NA and EU LCS a bit. Like having 1 or 2 rounds where these teams meet, or making at least one event where NA and EU teams from LCS are invited. At least they would get SOME experience playing againts teams from another region.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 00:19:52
September 02 2013 00:19 GMT
#5025
On September 02 2013 09:18 Volband wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 09:15 Haasts wrote:
On September 02 2013 09:13 Dan HH wrote:
I wish teams like C9, OMG, Gamania, Lemondogs, etc. had at least 2-3 matches of interregional experience before being thrown in a pit for $2M at worlds.

It's gonna be exicitng for sure but I'm hoping for some format restructuring next season.


This, so much. International experience and live experience are a little harder to come by with the current format.

They should also emerge NA and EU LCS a bit. Like having 1 or 2 rounds where these teams meet, or making at least one event where NA and EU teams from LCS are invited. At least they would get SOME experience playing againts teams from another region.

I'd like more international exhibitions we had none this split and one last split. Maybe expand them to allow a SEA and Chinese team.
Glorious SEA doto
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 02 2013 00:20 GMT
#5026
God that was brutal

Oh well, good season by TSM and still proving they are ballers when it comes to LAN events. They always perform when pressure is highest. Props to C9 for outpicking (especially int he first game) and outplaying them so hard. I had a lot of fun during the event :D
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 02 2013 00:23 GMT
#5027
On September 02 2013 09:15 ExoFun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 09:14 Jacmert wrote:
I just saw a player in a Team Liquid hoodie celebrating with his team after winning a game. I think it was in the Challenger qualifiers for LCS next season? Did anyone else spot that?

Ecco.. he was a TL sc2 user.

Fun fact on ecco in SC2, he participated in the IPL5 amateur qualifier where he beat sickness, jecho and took a map off some Korean zerg called life.
Glorious SEA doto
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35150 Posts
September 02 2013 00:24 GMT
#5028
On September 02 2013 09:13 MooMooMugi wrote:
TSM losing in group stages is highly likely right now unless they transform in the next few weeks

People thought they'd bomb out in regionals too. I don't think they'll make it out of groups either. If they can take 3rd in their group, I'll be happy.
skykh
Profile Joined September 2012
3006 Posts
September 02 2013 00:25 GMT
#5029
It is me or every op champ na pick turn into trash in their hands? Jayce, tf, zed, Zac
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35150 Posts
September 02 2013 00:29 GMT
#5030
On September 02 2013 09:25 skykh wrote:
It is me or every op champ na pick turn into trash in their hands? Jayce, tf, zed, Zac

Set your location as "Left Field" pls.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 00:30:46
September 02 2013 00:30 GMT
#5031
Missed the games but really? Zac not picked or banned in game 1 or 3???
DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 00:35:57
September 02 2013 00:33 GMT
#5032
On September 02 2013 09:10 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 09:05 DragoonTT wrote:
On September 02 2013 09:03 cLutZ wrote:
NE1 Know how the group stages are going to be organized?

Logically it would be something like:

TSM/Korea3/Eu1/EU3/Minesky
Vul/Ozone/EU2/CN2/GGEu

Or what?

Yeah that's about what I would expect. If it turns out like this, Vulcun looks much better than TSM all of a sudden - TSM gets Fnatic, Gambit and a top-tier Korean team, while Vulcun gets Ozone, but also the less-experienced Lemondogs and the Chinese team


I mean, there are a ton of options, I would probably say that they might spilitup EU 1/3 (only EU 1 in a bracket), or Not want Ozone/CN2 in the same bracket. Both groups look fairly hard to get out of.

The seeding process for groups is really fucked up thanks to Riot's terrible tournament system. Two big questions:

- The EU #1 seed should definitely receive a #1 seed for a group, but who gets to be #1 seed for the second group?
- There are five #2 finishers - who will be "bumped down"?

In the end, Riot will probably award the second #1 seed to the stronger team Korea (calling it Allstars slot). Riot also won't put both Korean teams into the same group. Considering the #2 finishers, Riot will probably fall back on Allstars (making that worthless show tournament even more important) and lower down EU seedings - otherwise they would have to make subjective decisions, which are probably worse in the long run. Though they might still save EU, since EU/US also got so much preferential treatment already.

Following this trail of thought, groups might end up looking like this:
Seed: #1 / #2 / #3 / #4
Group A: Fnatic / TSM + Korea #3 / Lemondogs / GG.eu
Group B: MVP Ozone / Mineski + China#2 / Vulcun / Gambit

Yes, that's Gambit going into the tournament tied for the lowest seed. Groups look fairly good, though, and a little more balanced than the first suggestion, which would have one fairly stacked group and another one looking slightly weaker. Guess us Europeans will have to take the hit for sucking at Allstars, and learn our lesson for next time (unless - hopefully - the rules change)

What I really want is completely randomized groups though, with not a single care given for where the teams are from. Sadly not going to happen.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
September 02 2013 00:41 GMT
#5033
On September 02 2013 09:33 DragoonTT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 09:10 cLutZ wrote:
On September 02 2013 09:05 DragoonTT wrote:
On September 02 2013 09:03 cLutZ wrote:
NE1 Know how the group stages are going to be organized?

Logically it would be something like:

TSM/Korea3/Eu1/EU3/Minesky
Vul/Ozone/EU2/CN2/GGEu

Or what?

Yeah that's about what I would expect. If it turns out like this, Vulcun looks much better than TSM all of a sudden - TSM gets Fnatic, Gambit and a top-tier Korean team, while Vulcun gets Ozone, but also the less-experienced Lemondogs and the Chinese team


I mean, there are a ton of options, I would probably say that they might spilitup EU 1/3 (only EU 1 in a bracket), or Not want Ozone/CN2 in the same bracket. Both groups look fairly hard to get out of.

The seeding process for groups is really fucked up thanks to Riot's terrible tournament system. Two big questions:

- The EU #1 seed should definitely receive a #1 seed for a group, but who gets to be #1 seed for the second group?
- There are five #2 finishers - who will be "bumped down"?

In the end, Riot will probably award the second #1 seed to the stronger team Korea (calling it Allstars slot). Riot also won't put both Korean teams into the same group. Considering the #2 finishers, Riot will probably fall back on Allstars (making that worthless show tournament even more important) and lower down EU seedings - otherwise they would have to make subjective decisions, which are probably worse in the long run. Though they might still save EU, since EU/US also got so much preferential treatment already.

Following this trail of thought, groups might end up looking like this:
Seed: #1 / #2 / #3 / #4
Group A: Fnatic / TSM + Korea #3 / Lemondogs / GG.eu
Group B: MVP Ozone / Mineski + China#2 / Vulcun / Gambit

Yes, that's Gambit going into the tournament tied for the lowest seed. Groups look fairly good, though, and a little more balanced than the first suggestion, which would have one fairly stacked group and another one looking slightly weaker. Guess us Europeans will have to take the hit for sucking at Allstars, and learn our lesson for next time (unless - hopefully - the rules change)

What I really want is completely randomized groups though, with not a single care given for where the teams are from. Sadly not going to happen.

What should have happened is 16 teams and 4 groups of 4. In any case seeding teams into the quarters of worlds because of a regional performance is retarded. Like how does beating TSM mean that you are better than Korean team number 2 and 3 and you should be in the quarters while they have to play group stage?
Off-season = best season
DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
September 02 2013 00:43 GMT
#5034
On September 02 2013 09:41 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 09:33 DragoonTT wrote:
On September 02 2013 09:10 cLutZ wrote:
On September 02 2013 09:05 DragoonTT wrote:
On September 02 2013 09:03 cLutZ wrote:
NE1 Know how the group stages are going to be organized?

Logically it would be something like:

TSM/Korea3/Eu1/EU3/Minesky
Vul/Ozone/EU2/CN2/GGEu

Or what?

Yeah that's about what I would expect. If it turns out like this, Vulcun looks much better than TSM all of a sudden - TSM gets Fnatic, Gambit and a top-tier Korean team, while Vulcun gets Ozone, but also the less-experienced Lemondogs and the Chinese team


I mean, there are a ton of options, I would probably say that they might spilitup EU 1/3 (only EU 1 in a bracket), or Not want Ozone/CN2 in the same bracket. Both groups look fairly hard to get out of.

The seeding process for groups is really fucked up thanks to Riot's terrible tournament system. Two big questions:

- The EU #1 seed should definitely receive a #1 seed for a group, but who gets to be #1 seed for the second group?
- There are five #2 finishers - who will be "bumped down"?

In the end, Riot will probably award the second #1 seed to the stronger team Korea (calling it Allstars slot). Riot also won't put both Korean teams into the same group. Considering the #2 finishers, Riot will probably fall back on Allstars (making that worthless show tournament even more important) and lower down EU seedings - otherwise they would have to make subjective decisions, which are probably worse in the long run. Though they might still save EU, since EU/US also got so much preferential treatment already.

Following this trail of thought, groups might end up looking like this:
Seed: #1 / #2 / #3 / #4
Group A: Fnatic / TSM + Korea #3 / Lemondogs / GG.eu
Group B: MVP Ozone / Mineski + China#2 / Vulcun / Gambit

Yes, that's Gambit going into the tournament tied for the lowest seed. Groups look fairly good, though, and a little more balanced than the first suggestion, which would have one fairly stacked group and another one looking slightly weaker. Guess us Europeans will have to take the hit for sucking at Allstars, and learn our lesson for next time (unless - hopefully - the rules change)

What I really want is completely randomized groups though, with not a single care given for where the teams are from. Sadly not going to happen.

What should have happened is 16 teams and 4 groups of 4. In any case seeding teams into the quarters of worlds because of a regional performance is retarded. Like how does beating TSM mean that you are better than Korean team number 2 and 3 and you should be in the quarters while they have to play group stage?

It's pretty moot to discuss what should have happened, though. The format is terrible, but it's the format Riot decided on. We can only hope to someday, somewhere get an IPL 5 repeat.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 00:52:08
September 02 2013 00:49 GMT
#5035
On September 02 2013 09:33 DragoonTT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 09:10 cLutZ wrote:
On September 02 2013 09:05 DragoonTT wrote:
On September 02 2013 09:03 cLutZ wrote:
NE1 Know how the group stages are going to be organized?

Logically it would be something like:

TSM/Korea3/Eu1/EU3/Minesky
Vul/Ozone/EU2/CN2/GGEu

Or what?

Yeah that's about what I would expect. If it turns out like this, Vulcun looks much better than TSM all of a sudden - TSM gets Fnatic, Gambit and a top-tier Korean team, while Vulcun gets Ozone, but also the less-experienced Lemondogs and the Chinese team


I mean, there are a ton of options, I would probably say that they might spilitup EU 1/3 (only EU 1 in a bracket), or Not want Ozone/CN2 in the same bracket. Both groups look fairly hard to get out of.

The seeding process for groups is really fucked up thanks to Riot's terrible tournament system. Two big questions:

- The EU #1 seed should definitely receive a #1 seed for a group, but who gets to be #1 seed for the second group?
- There are five #2 finishers - who will be "bumped down"?

In the end, Riot will probably award the second #1 seed to the stronger team Korea (calling it Allstars slot). Riot also won't put both Korean teams into the same group. Considering the #2 finishers, Riot will probably fall back on Allstars (making that worthless show tournament even more important) and lower down EU seedings - otherwise they would have to make subjective decisions, which are probably worse in the long run. Though they might still save EU, since EU/US also got so much preferential treatment already.

Following this trail of thought, groups might end up looking like this:
Seed: #1 / #2 / #3 / #4
Group A: Fnatic / TSM + Korea #3 / Lemondogs / GG.eu
Group B: MVP Ozone / Mineski + China#2 / Vulcun / Gambit

Yes, that's Gambit going into the tournament tied for the lowest seed. Groups look fairly good, though, and a little more balanced than the first suggestion, which would have one fairly stacked group and another one looking slightly weaker. Guess us Europeans will have to take the hit for sucking at Allstars, and learn our lesson for next time (unless - hopefully - the rules change)

What I really want is completely randomized groups though, with not a single care given for where the teams are from. Sadly not going to happen.


I would say there is a <5% chance that EU #1 and #2 teams are in the same group.

Edit, just to clarify, this is just my "thinking from traditional sports (like Soccer)" thought process. You would never see the #1 and #2 teams from Africa or NA in the same group at the world cup, even though those regions objectively suck.
Freeeeeeedom
nehcnhoj
Profile Joined July 2010
United States213 Posts
September 02 2013 00:50 GMT
#5036
CLOUD9...
... CL9
... CLg
... CLG CLG CLG!
;_;
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
September 02 2013 00:58 GMT
#5037
On September 02 2013 09:50 nehcnhoj wrote:
CLOUD9...
... CL9
... CLg
... CLG CLG CLG!
;_;

CLG Black/Goose is going tho!
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
September 02 2013 01:03 GMT
#5038
On September 02 2013 09:30 Ryuu314 wrote:
Missed the games but really? Zac not picked or banned in game 1 or 3???


think Zac was only chosen once by TSM and C9 didn't play him
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
September 02 2013 01:14 GMT
#5039
On September 02 2013 10:03 udgnim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 09:30 Ryuu314 wrote:
Missed the games but really? Zac not picked or banned in game 1 or 3???


think Zac was only chosen once by TSM and C9 didn't play him


Doesn't matter, C9 still crushed TSM without it... Sure, picking strong champions is nice. But you also gotta consider the team needs
iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
September 02 2013 01:34 GMT
#5040
lol just watched Zuna's interview, kid is shit, why is he talking shit bout Dignitas
<3 Kim Taeyeon
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