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On September 02 2013 09:16 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 09:13 Dan HH wrote:
I wish teams like C9, OMG, Gamania, Lemondogs, etc. had at least 2-3 matches of interregional experience before being thrown in a pit for $2M at worlds.
It's gonna be exicitng for sure but I'm hoping for some format restructuring next season. Exactly. It doesn't even makes sense from a spectator view: let's say all the possible teams C9 could face off againts would beat them. That means we 2 games where C9 is stomped, and that's all for Worlds. Just remember TSM vs Azubu, it was so sad.
A dual group format would be awesome.
One group filled with the winners of their respective regions and the other group has everyone else.
Top group fights for seeding and bottom group fights for places in the elim rounds.
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Oh man, thinking back on Regi's Ashe/Zyra/Varus bans in that final match is bringing a smile to my face all over again.
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On September 02 2013 09:16 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 09:13 MooMooMugi wrote:
TSM losing in group stages is highly likely right now unless they transform in the next few weeks At this point it seems like it's more about not destructing further. I really wonder what happened this season internally. These guys have been together for so long it just seems strange for them to implode like this.
When you win everythinng it's easy to just ignore issues.
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On September 02 2013 09:15 Haasts wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 09:13 Dan HH wrote:
I wish teams like C9, OMG, Gamania, Lemondogs, etc. had at least 2-3 matches of interregional experience before being thrown in a pit for $2M at worlds.
It's gonna be exicitng for sure but I'm hoping for some format restructuring next season. This, so much. International experience and live experience are a little harder to come by with the current format.
They should also emerge NA and EU LCS a bit. Like having 1 or 2 rounds where these teams meet, or making at least one event where NA and EU teams from LCS are invited. At least they would get SOME experience playing againts teams from another region.
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On September 02 2013 09:18 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 09:15 Haasts wrote:On September 02 2013 09:13 Dan HH wrote:
I wish teams like C9, OMG, Gamania, Lemondogs, etc. had at least 2-3 matches of interregional experience before being thrown in a pit for $2M at worlds.
It's gonna be exicitng for sure but I'm hoping for some format restructuring next season. This, so much. International experience and live experience are a little harder to come by with the current format. They should also emerge NA and EU LCS a bit. Like having 1 or 2 rounds where these teams meet, or making at least one event where NA and EU teams from LCS are invited. At least they would get SOME experience playing againts teams from another region.
I'd like more international exhibitions we had none this split and one last split. Maybe expand them to allow a SEA and Chinese team.
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God that was brutal 
Oh well, good season by TSM and still proving they are ballers when it comes to LAN events. They always perform when pressure is highest. Props to C9 for outpicking (especially int he first game) and outplaying them so hard. I had a lot of fun during the event :D
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On September 02 2013 09:15 ExoFun wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 09:14 Jacmert wrote:
I just saw a player in a Team Liquid hoodie celebrating with his team after winning a game. I think it was in the Challenger qualifiers for LCS next season? Did anyone else spot that? Ecco.. he was a TL sc2 user.
Fun fact on ecco in SC2, he participated in the IPL5 amateur qualifier where he beat sickness, jecho and took a map off some Korean zerg called life.
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On September 02 2013 09:13 MooMooMugi wrote:
TSM losing in group stages is highly likely right now unless they transform in the next few weeks
People thought they'd bomb out in regionals too. I don't think they'll make it out of groups either. If they can take 3rd in their group, I'll be happy.
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It is me or every op champ na pick turn into trash in their hands? Jayce, tf, zed, Zac
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On September 02 2013 09:25 skykh wrote:
It is me or every op champ na pick turn into trash in their hands? Jayce, tf, zed, Zac
Set your location as "Left Field" pls.
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Missed the games but really? Zac not picked or banned in game 1 or 3???
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On September 02 2013 09:10 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 09:05 DragoonTT wrote:On September 02 2013 09:03 cLutZ wrote:
NE1 Know how the group stages are going to be organized?
Logically it would be something like:
TSM/Korea3/Eu1/EU3/Minesky
Vul/Ozone/EU2/CN2/GGEu
Or what? Yeah that's about what I would expect. If it turns out like this, Vulcun looks much better than TSM all of a sudden - TSM gets Fnatic, Gambit and a top-tier Korean team, while Vulcun gets Ozone, but also the less-experienced Lemondogs and the Chinese team I mean, there are a ton of options, I would probably say that they might spilitup EU 1/3 (only EU 1 in a bracket), or Not want Ozone/CN2 in the same bracket. Both groups look fairly hard to get out of.
The seeding process for groups is really fucked up thanks to Riot's terrible tournament system. Two big questions:
- The EU #1 seed should definitely receive a #1 seed for a group, but who gets to be #1 seed for the second group?
- There are five #2 finishers - who will be "bumped down"?
In the end, Riot will probably award the second #1 seed to the stronger team Korea (calling it Allstars slot). Riot also won't put both Korean teams into the same group. Considering the #2 finishers, Riot will probably fall back on Allstars (making that worthless show tournament even more important) and lower down EU seedings - otherwise they would have to make subjective decisions, which are probably worse in the long run. Though they might still save EU, since EU/US also got so much preferential treatment already.
Following this trail of thought, groups might end up looking like this:
Seed: #1 / #2 / #3 / #4
Group A: Fnatic / TSM + Korea #3 / Lemondogs / GG.eu
Group B: MVP Ozone / Mineski + China#2 / Vulcun / Gambit
Yes, that's Gambit going into the tournament tied for the lowest seed. Groups look fairly good, though, and a little more balanced than the first suggestion, which would have one fairly stacked group and another one looking slightly weaker. Guess us Europeans will have to take the hit for sucking at Allstars, and learn our lesson for next time (unless - hopefully - the rules change)
What I really want is completely randomized groups though, with not a single care given for where the teams are from. Sadly not going to happen.
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On September 02 2013 09:33 DragoonTT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 09:10 cLutZ wrote:On September 02 2013 09:05 DragoonTT wrote:On September 02 2013 09:03 cLutZ wrote:
NE1 Know how the group stages are going to be organized?
Logically it would be something like:
TSM/Korea3/Eu1/EU3/Minesky
Vul/Ozone/EU2/CN2/GGEu
Or what? Yeah that's about what I would expect. If it turns out like this, Vulcun looks much better than TSM all of a sudden - TSM gets Fnatic, Gambit and a top-tier Korean team, while Vulcun gets Ozone, but also the less-experienced Lemondogs and the Chinese team I mean, there are a ton of options, I would probably say that they might spilitup EU 1/3 (only EU 1 in a bracket), or Not want Ozone/CN2 in the same bracket. Both groups look fairly hard to get out of. The seeding process for groups is really fucked up thanks to Riot's terrible tournament system. Two big questions: - The EU #1 seed should definitely receive a #1 seed for a group, but who gets to be #1 seed for the second group? - There are five #2 finishers - who will be "bumped down"? In the end, Riot will probably award the second #1 seed to the stronger team Korea (calling it Allstars slot). Riot also won't put both Korean teams into the same group. Considering the #2 finishers, Riot will probably fall back on Allstars (making that worthless show tournament even more important) and lower down EU seedings - otherwise they would have to make subjective decisions, which are probably worse in the long run. Though they might still save EU, since EU/US also got so much preferential treatment already. Following this trail of thought, groups might end up looking like this: Seed: #1 / #2 / #3 / #4 Group A: Fnatic / TSM + Korea #3 / Lemondogs / GG.eu Group B: MVP Ozone / Mineski + China#2 / Vulcun / Gambit Yes, that's Gambit going into the tournament tied for the lowest seed. Groups look fairly good, though, and a little more balanced than the first suggestion, which would have one fairly stacked group and another one looking slightly weaker. Guess us Europeans will have to take the hit for sucking at Allstars, and learn our lesson for next time (unless - hopefully - the rules change) What I really want is completely randomized groups though, with not a single care given for where the teams are from. Sadly not going to happen.
What should have happened is 16 teams and 4 groups of 4. In any case seeding teams into the quarters of worlds because of a regional performance is retarded. Like how does beating TSM mean that you are better than Korean team number 2 and 3 and you should be in the quarters while they have to play group stage?
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On September 02 2013 09:41 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 09:33 DragoonTT wrote:On September 02 2013 09:10 cLutZ wrote:On September 02 2013 09:05 DragoonTT wrote:On September 02 2013 09:03 cLutZ wrote:
NE1 Know how the group stages are going to be organized?
Logically it would be something like:
TSM/Korea3/Eu1/EU3/Minesky
Vul/Ozone/EU2/CN2/GGEu
Or what? Yeah that's about what I would expect. If it turns out like this, Vulcun looks much better than TSM all of a sudden - TSM gets Fnatic, Gambit and a top-tier Korean team, while Vulcun gets Ozone, but also the less-experienced Lemondogs and the Chinese team I mean, there are a ton of options, I would probably say that they might spilitup EU 1/3 (only EU 1 in a bracket), or Not want Ozone/CN2 in the same bracket. Both groups look fairly hard to get out of. The seeding process for groups is really fucked up thanks to Riot's terrible tournament system. Two big questions: - The EU #1 seed should definitely receive a #1 seed for a group, but who gets to be #1 seed for the second group? - There are five #2 finishers - who will be "bumped down"? In the end, Riot will probably award the second #1 seed to the stronger team Korea (calling it Allstars slot). Riot also won't put both Korean teams into the same group. Considering the #2 finishers, Riot will probably fall back on Allstars (making that worthless show tournament even more important) and lower down EU seedings - otherwise they would have to make subjective decisions, which are probably worse in the long run. Though they might still save EU, since EU/US also got so much preferential treatment already. Following this trail of thought, groups might end up looking like this: Seed: #1 / #2 / #3 / #4 Group A: Fnatic / TSM + Korea #3 / Lemondogs / GG.eu Group B: MVP Ozone / Mineski + China#2 / Vulcun / Gambit Yes, that's Gambit going into the tournament tied for the lowest seed. Groups look fairly good, though, and a little more balanced than the first suggestion, which would have one fairly stacked group and another one looking slightly weaker. Guess us Europeans will have to take the hit for sucking at Allstars, and learn our lesson for next time (unless - hopefully - the rules change) What I really want is completely randomized groups though, with not a single care given for where the teams are from. Sadly not going to happen. What should have happened is 16 teams and 4 groups of 4. In any case seeding teams into the quarters of worlds because of a regional performance is retarded. Like how does beating TSM mean that you are better than Korean team number 2 and 3 and you should be in the quarters while they have to play group stage?
It's pretty moot to discuss what should have happened, though. The format is terrible, but it's the format Riot decided on. We can only hope to someday, somewhere get an IPL 5 repeat.
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On September 02 2013 09:33 DragoonTT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 09:10 cLutZ wrote:On September 02 2013 09:05 DragoonTT wrote:On September 02 2013 09:03 cLutZ wrote:
NE1 Know how the group stages are going to be organized?
Logically it would be something like:
TSM/Korea3/Eu1/EU3/Minesky
Vul/Ozone/EU2/CN2/GGEu
Or what? Yeah that's about what I would expect. If it turns out like this, Vulcun looks much better than TSM all of a sudden - TSM gets Fnatic, Gambit and a top-tier Korean team, while Vulcun gets Ozone, but also the less-experienced Lemondogs and the Chinese team I mean, there are a ton of options, I would probably say that they might spilitup EU 1/3 (only EU 1 in a bracket), or Not want Ozone/CN2 in the same bracket. Both groups look fairly hard to get out of. The seeding process for groups is really fucked up thanks to Riot's terrible tournament system. Two big questions: - The EU #1 seed should definitely receive a #1 seed for a group, but who gets to be #1 seed for the second group? - There are five #2 finishers - who will be "bumped down"? In the end, Riot will probably award the second #1 seed to the stronger team Korea (calling it Allstars slot). Riot also won't put both Korean teams into the same group. Considering the #2 finishers, Riot will probably fall back on Allstars (making that worthless show tournament even more important) and lower down EU seedings - otherwise they would have to make subjective decisions, which are probably worse in the long run. Though they might still save EU, since EU/US also got so much preferential treatment already. Following this trail of thought, groups might end up looking like this: Seed: #1 / #2 / #3 / #4 Group A: Fnatic / TSM + Korea #3 / Lemondogs / GG.eu Group B: MVP Ozone / Mineski + China#2 / Vulcun / Gambit Yes, that's Gambit going into the tournament tied for the lowest seed. Groups look fairly good, though, and a little more balanced than the first suggestion, which would have one fairly stacked group and another one looking slightly weaker. Guess us Europeans will have to take the hit for sucking at Allstars, and learn our lesson for next time (unless - hopefully - the rules change) What I really want is completely randomized groups though, with not a single care given for where the teams are from. Sadly not going to happen.
I would say there is a <5% chance that EU #1 and #2 teams are in the same group.
Edit, just to clarify, this is just my "thinking from traditional sports (like Soccer)" thought process. You would never see the #1 and #2 teams from Africa or NA in the same group at the world cup, even though those regions objectively suck.
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CLOUD9...
... CL9
... CLg
... CLG CLG CLG!
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On September 02 2013 09:50 nehcnhoj wrote:
CLOUD9...
... CL9
... CLg
... CLG CLG CLG!
;_;
CLG Black/Goose is going tho!
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On September 02 2013 09:30 Ryuu314 wrote:
Missed the games but really? Zac not picked or banned in game 1 or 3???
think Zac was only chosen once by TSM and C9 didn't play him
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On September 02 2013 10:03 udgnim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 09:30 Ryuu314 wrote:
Missed the games but really? Zac not picked or banned in game 1 or 3??? think Zac was only chosen once by TSM and C9 didn't play him
Doesn't matter, C9 still crushed TSM without it... Sure, picking strong champions is nice. But you also gotta consider the team needs
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lol just watched Zuna's interview, kid is shit, why is he talking shit bout Dignitas
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EPT
