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On July 26 2013 14:16 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 14:13 ExoFun wrote:On July 26 2013 14:09 wei2coolman wrote:On July 26 2013 13:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
I only see Gambit and Fnatic as contenders. Hoping for LemonPups for that 3rd EU seed though!
Edit: I'm not going to argue against your opinion but by your standard, people can say Vulcun have a shot against Koreans too, due to their LCS record. I say no. If CLG cleaned up their play; they have the parts to be a world contender. All their players are "good" enough to compete at that level; but their strats/drafts/etc. are lacking sooooo much. Watch their team as lemongod is watching it... and then you know that they are still in season 2 with their mentality of how to win games. I'm merely talking about individual talent; to actually compete at world level. C9 got the teamwork/communication part down; but no one on that team individually yells "WORLD TALENT". Look at all the top teams in the world; they all have at least 2 or 3 world class talents. Really; NA/EU really lacking multiple world class talent. Also; as much as I like citric pups; I want NiP going for EU.
ah well it's now all rumors/guesses (still think EU got the most talent in mid apart from Faker^^). I really hope that in season 4 there will be more international events between the regions.
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On July 26 2013 14:16 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 14:13 ExoFun wrote:On July 26 2013 14:09 wei2coolman wrote:On July 26 2013 13:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
I only see Gambit and Fnatic as contenders. Hoping for LemonPups for that 3rd EU seed though!
Edit: I'm not going to argue against your opinion but by your standard, people can say Vulcun have a shot against Koreans too, due to their LCS record. I say no. If CLG cleaned up their play; they have the parts to be a world contender. All their players are "good" enough to compete at that level; but their strats/drafts/etc. are lacking sooooo much. Watch their team as lemongod is watching it... and then you know that they are still in season 2 with their mentality of how to win games. I'm merely talking about individual talent; to actually compete at world level. C9 got the teamwork/communication part down; but no one on that team individually yells "WORLD TALENT". Look at all the top teams in the world; they all have at least 2 or 3 world class talents. Really; NA/EU really lacking multiple world class talent. Also; as much as I like citric pups; I want NiP going for EU.
Uh, I guess you could say they have potential. But individually Nien, Jiji, and Chauster are not really that great at their roles yet. None of those guys are "world class" and could hang with their counterparts at world championship level.
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On July 26 2013 14:34 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 14:16 wei2coolman wrote:On July 26 2013 14:13 ExoFun wrote:On July 26 2013 14:09 wei2coolman wrote:On July 26 2013 13:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
I only see Gambit and Fnatic as contenders. Hoping for LemonPups for that 3rd EU seed though!
Edit: I'm not going to argue against your opinion but by your standard, people can say Vulcun have a shot against Koreans too, due to their LCS record. I say no. If CLG cleaned up their play; they have the parts to be a world contender. All their players are "good" enough to compete at that level; but their strats/drafts/etc. are lacking sooooo much. Watch their team as lemongod is watching it... and then you know that they are still in season 2 with their mentality of how to win games. I'm merely talking about individual talent; to actually compete at world level. C9 got the teamwork/communication part down; but no one on that team individually yells "WORLD TALENT". Look at all the top teams in the world; they all have at least 2 or 3 world class talents. Really; NA/EU really lacking multiple world class talent. Also; as much as I like citric pups; I want NiP going for EU. Uh, I guess you could say they have potential. But individually Nien, Jiji, and Chauster are not really that great at their roles yet. None of those guys are "world class" and could hang with their counterparts at world championship level.
But; they have the potential to do it. Chauster has shown to be able to compete at world level before; especially on ranged supports.
I could see Curse maybe doing it; I think Nyjacky could hang with some of the top mids if he plays passive champ sets (though I think he's actually a much better aggressive mid, just doesn't fit Curse's style). Edward is world class; Voyboy can hang in top lane. Though Saint and Cop could be pretty big liabilities.
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On July 26 2013 14:37 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 14:34 Itsmedudeman wrote:On July 26 2013 14:16 wei2coolman wrote:On July 26 2013 14:13 ExoFun wrote:On July 26 2013 14:09 wei2coolman wrote:On July 26 2013 13:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
I only see Gambit and Fnatic as contenders. Hoping for LemonPups for that 3rd EU seed though!
Edit: I'm not going to argue against your opinion but by your standard, people can say Vulcun have a shot against Koreans too, due to their LCS record. I say no. If CLG cleaned up their play; they have the parts to be a world contender. All their players are "good" enough to compete at that level; but their strats/drafts/etc. are lacking sooooo much. Watch their team as lemongod is watching it... and then you know that they are still in season 2 with their mentality of how to win games. I'm merely talking about individual talent; to actually compete at world level. C9 got the teamwork/communication part down; but no one on that team individually yells "WORLD TALENT". Look at all the top teams in the world; they all have at least 2 or 3 world class talents. Really; NA/EU really lacking multiple world class talent. Also; as much as I like citric pups; I want NiP going for EU. Uh, I guess you could say they have potential. But individually Nien, Jiji, and Chauster are not really that great at their roles yet. None of those guys are "world class" and could hang with their counterparts at world championship level. But; they have the potential to do it. Chauster has shown to be able to compete at world level before; especially on ranged supports.
Didnt was Chauster in season 2 a "world class' support in scrims only? Always such big words from that guy without any real results after everybody stepped up their game.
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On July 26 2013 14:43 ExoFun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 14:37 wei2coolman wrote:On July 26 2013 14:34 Itsmedudeman wrote:On July 26 2013 14:16 wei2coolman wrote:On July 26 2013 14:13 ExoFun wrote:On July 26 2013 14:09 wei2coolman wrote:On July 26 2013 13:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
I only see Gambit and Fnatic as contenders. Hoping for LemonPups for that 3rd EU seed though!
Edit: I'm not going to argue against your opinion but by your standard, people can say Vulcun have a shot against Koreans too, due to their LCS record. I say no. If CLG cleaned up their play; they have the parts to be a world contender. All their players are "good" enough to compete at that level; but their strats/drafts/etc. are lacking sooooo much. Watch their team as lemongod is watching it... and then you know that they are still in season 2 with their mentality of how to win games. I'm merely talking about individual talent; to actually compete at world level. C9 got the teamwork/communication part down; but no one on that team individually yells "WORLD TALENT". Look at all the top teams in the world; they all have at least 2 or 3 world class talents. Really; NA/EU really lacking multiple world class talent. Also; as much as I like citric pups; I want NiP going for EU. Uh, I guess you could say they have potential. But individually Nien, Jiji, and Chauster are not really that great at their roles yet. None of those guys are "world class" and could hang with their counterparts at world championship level. But; they have the potential to do it. Chauster has shown to be able to compete at world level before; especially on ranged supports. Didnt was Chauster in season 2 a "world class' support in scrims only? Always such big words from that guy without any real results after everybody stepped up their game.
If you watch OGN back in Season 2; Chauster + doublelift were untouchable.
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^, ChauLift was THE bottom lane in the middle of S2. They were literally the equivalent of sticking madlife+imp into EU LCS now, you either camped them relentlessly to slow them down, giving up the other two lanes or else you let them shit on your bottom lane and hope that the other two lanes can make up for one lost lane.
Chauster's already stepped up his play a bit since when he first got back on support, it's just that it'll still be a while until he's comfortable on support again but when he was good, he was actually on xpecial's level.
Hopefully CLG can get their shit together before super week though, it's rather important that they maintain a decent record from here on out.
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in the same sense that a lot of older players used to be amazing in their respective roles, just not so much anymore. In terms of playmaking chauster wasn't really that great compared to even other NA supports like Xpecial and certainly not the madlife we see today.
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On July 26 2013 15:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
in the same sense that a lot of older players used to be amazing in their respective roles, just not so much anymore. In terms of playmaking chauster wasn't really that great compared to even other NA supports like Xpecial and certainly not the madlife we see today.
Yea and always their proclaimed innovation in bot lane wasnt really their only effort. Like the Nunu caitlyn (first seen by Empire) and the Urgot/Taric also by empire/m5.
+ Winning a lane is only a little part of the game now a days and the whole map movement is really poor in CLG and this was always the case for CLG.
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On July 26 2013 15:09 ExoFun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 15:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
in the same sense that a lot of older players used to be amazing in their respective roles, just not so much anymore. In terms of playmaking chauster wasn't really that great compared to even other NA supports like Xpecial and certainly not the madlife we see today. Yea and always their proclaimed innovation in bot lane wasnt really their only effort. Like the Nunu caitlyn (first seen by Empire) and the Urgot/Taric also by empire/m5. + Winning a lane is only a little part of the game now a days and the whole map movement is really poor in CLG and this was always the case for CLG.
I don't think chaulift ever claimed to be innovative; they just claimed that they were the best bot lane in the world. Which was true enough. Also CLG during s2; map movement wasn't the issue.
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On July 26 2013 15:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
in the same sense that a lot of older players used to be amazing in their respective roles, just not so much anymore. In terms of playmaking chauster wasn't really that great compared to even other NA supports like Xpecial and certainly not the madlife we see today.
To consider this in a more realistic view of events, chauster was good until he left his support role to try to play other things. The biggest thing we have going for that is that almost everyone will say the Chauslift lane was dominant when they were playing that role. His skill deteriorated after he left his role as support for doublelift. CLG had a lot of issues, and all that role swapping definitely didn't help them in any way.
Also, you can safely say that no one is as good as madlife(which is why he earned his godlife nickname.)
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On July 26 2013 14:16 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 14:13 ExoFun wrote:On July 26 2013 14:09 wei2coolman wrote:On July 26 2013 13:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
I only see Gambit and Fnatic as contenders. Hoping for LemonPups for that 3rd EU seed though!
Edit: I'm not going to argue against your opinion but by your standard, people can say Vulcun have a shot against Koreans too, due to their LCS record. I say no. If CLG cleaned up their play; they have the parts to be a world contender. All their players are "good" enough to compete at that level; but their strats/drafts/etc. are lacking sooooo much. Watch their team as lemongod is watching it... and then you know that they are still in season 2 with their mentality of how to win games. I'm merely talking about individual talent; to actually compete at world level. C9 got the teamwork/communication part down; but no one on that team individually yells "WORLD TALENT". Look at all the top teams in the world; they all have at least 2 or 3 world class talents. Really; NA/EU really lacking multiple world class talent. Also; as much as I like citric pups; I want NiP going for EU.
Hm, if there is one thing Meteos has going for him it's his unpredictability. Attach that to his high game IQ, big champion pool, initiation and threat level? I think he could pose problems for several Korean teams. I will be interested to see what TSM tries to do tomorrow against C9. I like the fact they were trying to deny Xmithie's buffs every chance they got and I won't be surprised if they try to do the same thing against C9.
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On July 26 2013 15:18 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 15:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
in the same sense that a lot of older players used to be amazing in their respective roles, just not so much anymore. In terms of playmaking chauster wasn't really that great compared to even other NA supports like Xpecial and certainly not the madlife we see today. To consider this in a more realistic view of events, chauster was good until he left his support role to try to play other things. The biggest thing we have going for that is that almost everyone will say the Chauslift lane was dominant when they were playing that role. His skill deteriorated after he left his role as support for doublelift. CLG had a lot of issues, and all that role swapping definitely didn't help them in any way. Also, you can safely say that no one is as good as madlife(which is why he earned his godlife nickname.)
Mata definitely trying to take Madlife's title away.
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On July 26 2013 15:16 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 15:09 ExoFun wrote:On July 26 2013 15:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
in the same sense that a lot of older players used to be amazing in their respective roles, just not so much anymore. In terms of playmaking chauster wasn't really that great compared to even other NA supports like Xpecial and certainly not the madlife we see today. Yea and always their proclaimed innovation in bot lane wasnt really their only effort. Like the Nunu caitlyn (first seen by Empire) and the Urgot/Taric also by empire/m5. + Winning a lane is only a little part of the game now a days and the whole map movement is really poor in CLG and this was always the case for CLG. I don't think chaulift ever claimed to be innovative; they just claimed that they were the best bot lane in the world. Which was true enough. Also CLG during s2; map movement wasn't the issue.
Lift said he was 
https://www.facebook.com/CLGDoublelift/posts/433219930092643
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On July 26 2013 15:27 ExoFun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 15:16 wei2coolman wrote:On July 26 2013 15:09 ExoFun wrote:On July 26 2013 15:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
in the same sense that a lot of older players used to be amazing in their respective roles, just not so much anymore. In terms of playmaking chauster wasn't really that great compared to even other NA supports like Xpecial and certainly not the madlife we see today. Yea and always their proclaimed innovation in bot lane wasnt really their only effort. Like the Nunu caitlyn (first seen by Empire) and the Urgot/Taric also by empire/m5. + Winning a lane is only a little part of the game now a days and the whole map movement is really poor in CLG and this was always the case for CLG. I don't think chaulift ever claimed to be innovative; they just claimed that they were the best bot lane in the world. Which was true enough. Also CLG during s2; map movement wasn't the issue. Lift said he was https://www.facebook.com/CLGDoublelift/posts/433219930092643
Ewww; China played Ez wayyyy before DL.
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It's always been pretty rare to completely lose lane pub style to another team. At most you end up like 20 cs ahead, and I guess you could consider that "dominant" but I don't even remember them doing that well at OGN.
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On July 26 2013 15:31 Itsmedudeman wrote:
It's always been pretty rare to completely lose lane pub style to another team. At most you end up like 20 cs ahead, and I guess you could consider that "dominant" but I don't even remember them doing that well at OGN.
They forced jungler to camp their lane throughout OGN. The problem during OGN was that there was no other threat on CLG; so HSGG would just lose 1v1; and jiji just put no pressure despite jungler camping bot.
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Yeah, good old days of hotshot playing champions that are impossible to feed on so they can maybe stay even in top.
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I wonder what it will take for people to lose their illusions about CLG. They're living on past glory and good PR (having a direct line to Travis surely helps) - but they surely cannot be considered "talented" any more. "Talented" would only be a choice if you can see them improving, but they seem to stagnate, maybe even regress in their play.
Chauster is far from the player/shotcaller he was during S2, and he's not getting back there. DLift isn't as dominant, still has questionable decisionmaking and the team doesn't focus their strategy on him as much any more (as evidenced by him being regularly caught out in the midgame, either due to bad decisions or bad team calls). Link is solid, but definitely not world level. Jiji might need more time to be adequately judged, but we've already seen that his mid play (favourite role etc) didn't exceed mid-tier NA level - I'm pretty sure he will retire for good unless CLG makes it to worlds. Nien is another player living off his mechanics and vast champion pool - I admit he, alone, might qualify as talented, yet I feel he's just another AD carry whose skills are wasted by CLG playing him out of position.
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I don't get the hate about role swaps; Koreans do it all the time...
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Oh Yea.. NA LCS plz keep quickshot. We are happy with the trade.
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