EPT[NA LCS] Summer Week 7 - Page 50
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
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lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
"Look R3 we are not giving up our team secrets!!!!" | ||
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
On July 26 2013 11:11 gtrsrs wrote: lifestyle coach, he does more stuff out of game than in-game e: and holy shit, cloud9 is just so annoyingly dominant. it's so annoying because for the most-part they're all really cool guys too. so i can't even hate them for being so good. fuuuuuuuuuuuu Yeah like I think Elementz should be the model of what the first/second generation of coaches should be, so I'd be surprised if there was any correlation - it just seems totally weird that Coast has taken an absolute nosedive over the past 3-4 weeks. They have the talent to succeed, clearly. Re C9 dominance - Its just one of those generational transitions Boxer -> iloveoov etc. They have amazing synergy, play a unique but basically uncounterable style that relies on basics and are really talented on top of that. Its not surprising to see that they are trouncing teams that were thrown together for the sake of being a team - having that kind of innate synergy is difficult to find. | ||
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Neverhood
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
On July 26 2013 11:18 Neverhood wrote: So I think the only portion of the game where C9 is lacking in comparison to top korean teams is their mechanics, everything else, especially drafting, is exceptional I think C9 has some work in the super early game. They are often losing in initial kills / first bloods. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On July 26 2013 11:18 ReketSomething wrote: I think C9 has some work in the super early game. They are often losing in initial kills / first bloods. but their midgame is so much better than everyone else that it doesn't matter if they lose the early game. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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Neverhood
United States5388 Posts
On July 26 2013 11:18 ReketSomething wrote: I think C9 has some work in the super early game. They are often losing in initial kills / first bloods. Yea their lvl 1s could be much better imo, but their early laning weakness probably has something to do with mechanics. But teams like CJ Blaze are still top tier, world class teams even though they also die early (mostly their bot lane) | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
On July 26 2013 11:21 nojitosunrise wrote: but their midgame is so much better than everyone else that it doesn't matter if they lose the early game. But against better teams, it will matter, so they really should be trying to improve it to their best of their ability. To be honest though, the early portions of the game are about equal for all teams (look at worlds, and koreans/chinese not really winning the first few levels either) Its just when they do win the early portions, they roll and snowball hard. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35166 Posts
On July 26 2013 11:26 Volband wrote: It's sad that C9 can't push themslves even further, due to the limitations of the USA scene. They need to find a way to practice with asian teams, or at least European ones before Worlds. Don't think EU would help too much. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On July 26 2013 11:26 Volband wrote: It's sad that C9 can't push themslves even further, due to the limitations of the USA scene. They need to find a way to practice with asian teams, or at least European ones before Worlds. why do you say that? from my observations, the NA LCS is on an entirely different level this split than last. to be fair, c9 stomps everyone pretty hard, but that's not to say that the teams aren't all better than last split and c9 didn't even play against LCS teams last split. they were just stomping the amateur scene and are now stomping the LCS. just like they're stomping the LCS now and will go on to stomp the international scene. i don't think they need to do much differently, they feel pretty damn solid atm | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On July 26 2013 11:30 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Cloud9 interviews are honestly so funny xD Elaboration is for squares. | ||
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
On July 26 2013 11:26 Volband wrote: It's sad that C9 can't push themslves even further, due to the limitations of the USA scene. They need to find a way to practice with asian teams, or at least European ones before Worlds. You can go the opposite way here - The Koreans/Chinese have no way to properly evaluate C9 because they play so few competitive games. They have the potential to be a TPA-like enigma. People knew TPA was good coming into world finals, but we didn't know how good because they just beat the crap out of a mediocre SEA scene. The same story could be happening here | ||
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upperbound
United States2300 Posts
On July 26 2013 11:26 Volband wrote: It's sad that C9 can't push themslves even further, due to the limitations of the USA scene. They need to find a way to practice with asian teams, or at least European ones before Worlds. Have you seen much better play in Europe? I sure haven't. Even the teams that I thought were reliable like Fnatic and Gambit have been looking lost fairly often lately. | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
On July 26 2013 11:28 gtrsrs wrote: why do you say that? from my observations, the NA LCS is on an entirely different level this split than last. to be fair, c9 stomps everyone pretty hard, but that's not to say that the teams aren't all better than last split and c9 didn't even play against LCS teams last split. they were just stomping the amateur scene and are now stomping the LCS. just like they're stomping the LCS now and will go on to stomp the international scene. i don't think they need to do much differently, they feel pretty damn solid atm Agreed with this too. Remember Complexity and Marn and how BAD some of those games were? Coast/VES may be the two lowest teams on the ladder atm, but Coast wins their fair share of games (and were 2nd in the playoffs) and Velocity has quietly found something in the 2nd half of the season - and even in the first part of the season they rarely got murderized by the top teams. The NA scene is in a period of transition - the old guard are struggling and new teams are emerging that will propel the scene forward. | ||
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