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On July 26 2013 11:28 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 11:26 Volband wrote:
It's sad that C9 can't push themslves even further, due to the limitations of the USA scene. They need to find a way to practice with asian teams, or at least European ones before Worlds. why do you say that? from my observations, the NA LCS is on an entirely different level this split than last. to be fair, c9 stomps everyone pretty hard, but that's not to say that the teams aren't all better than last split and c9 didn't even play against LCS teams last split. they were just stomping the amateur scene and are now stomping the LCS. just like they're stomping the LCS now and will go on to stomp the international scene. i don't think they need to do much differently, they feel pretty damn solid atm
The throws man. As for the last game the reason I would recommend it is because C9 put on another clinic and threw a lot of curve balls that Coast didn't see coming. Meteos knew where the wards were and used it to his advantage. The lanterns by Lemon were top notch and the team's decision-making was pristine. You can learn a lot from they did and didn't do. You don't want to become too predictable and now they'll have teams second guessing themselves.
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I do kinda wish they still did foreign teams in OGN, would be cool to see how C9 stacks up currently.
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On July 26 2013 11:39 onlywonderboy wrote:
I do kinda wish they still did foreign teams in OGN, would be cool to see how C9 stacks up currently.
C9 probably better than 3 or 4 OGN teams. But, I don't seem them having enough individual talent to take um to the next level.
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it will be nice when we don't have to speculate
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On July 26 2013 11:53 Slusher wrote:
it will be nice when we don't have to speculate
We'll never get to see C9 go up against the lower tier teams in OGN though  Well I guess depending on how hard they get smashed at Worlds we can speculate with slightly more information.
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haha so much hate in this NA LCS vs EU. I am pretty sure we got 6 teams that can all go head on vs koreans and i only see one team in NA LCS that could do damage in the Korea scene.
More competition is faster and better growth... this season in LCS EU is so good to become the supreme region huehue.
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On July 26 2013 13:33 ExoFun wrote:
haha so much hate in this NA LCS vs EU. I am pretty sure we got 6 teams that can all go head on vs koreans and i only see one team in NA LCS that could do damage in the Korea scene.
More competition is faster and better growth... this season in LCS EU is so good to become the supreme region huehue.
Srsly? You think there are 6 EU teams that can go up against the KRs?
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On July 26 2013 13:36 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 13:33 ExoFun wrote:
haha so much hate in this NA LCS vs EU. I am pretty sure we got 6 teams that can all go head on vs koreans and i only see one team in NA LCS that could do damage in the Korea scene.
More competition is faster and better growth... this season in LCS EU is so good to become the supreme region huehue. Srsly? You think there are 6 EU teams that can go up against the KRs?
Gambit/Fnatic/Lemondogs/Alternate (with creaton ofc)/NiP/EG
All of these teams can beat them....
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On July 26 2013 13:39 ExoFun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 13:36 NeoIllusions wrote:On July 26 2013 13:33 ExoFun wrote:
haha so much hate in this NA LCS vs EU. I am pretty sure we got 6 teams that can all go head on vs koreans and i only see one team in NA LCS that could do damage in the Korea scene.
More competition is faster and better growth... this season in LCS EU is so good to become the supreme region huehue. Srsly? You think there are 6 EU teams that can go up against the KRs? Gambit/Fnatic/Lemondogs/Alternate (with creaton ofc)/NiP/EG All of these teams can beat them....
Gambit/Fnatic/EG = all done it and can achieve it again (although EG really need to step it up)
LD/Atn = Fresh talent and can make a real good surprise they only need stability.
NiP = uncertain because their top is still unknown but their recent results are really promising.
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I only see Gambit and Fnatic as contenders. Hoping for LemonPups for that 3rd EU seed though!
Edit: I'm not going to argue against your opinion but by your standard, people can say Vulcun have a shot against Koreans too, due to their LCS record. I say no.
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On July 26 2013 13:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
I only see Gambit and Fnatic as contenders. Hoping for LemonPups for that 3rd EU seed though!
Edit: I'm not going to argue against your opinion but by your standard, people can say Vulcun have a shot against Koreans too, due to their LCS record. I say no.
Fnatic is in a slump... i truly dont see them making worlds in the current shape. My standard is not by standing but only by the their play... ofcourse some games are really brainfarts but those games are also in the KR scene.
+EU is still the most progressive server with teamcomps... the most champions are being picked first in LCS and then KR is also taking them. (and work ofc, not the NA teamcomps because in my eye is gimpy(-cloud9). Just look at Dig teamcomps those got really 0,0 sens the last few weeks).
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As good as C9 is individually in the NA scene, I think they'd still have trouble taking much more than a single game in a best of 5 against the top tier teams like SKT T1, MVP Ozone or even the CJ Entus teams. I really don't see anyone on C9 other than Meteos matching up evenly against their counterparts in Faker, Imp, Shy, Flame or Madlife and the supporting cast around the superstars are at least as good as their NA counterparts.
With EU being so close, it's hard to judge their level compared to NA/KR. Most teams play solidly but nothing stands out too much as exceptional. Historically, EU duo laners are weaker than their NA/KR counterparts with no one really capable of reaching the level of the Doublelifts/Imps/Madlifes/Xpecials.
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On July 26 2013 13:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
I only see Gambit and Fnatic as contenders. Hoping for LemonPups for that 3rd EU seed though!
Edit: I'm not going to argue against your opinion but by your standard, people can say Vulcun have a shot against Koreans too, due to their LCS record. I say no.
If CLG cleaned up their play; they have the parts to be a world contender. All their players are "good" enough to compete at that level; but their strats/drafts/etc. are lacking sooooo much.
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On July 26 2013 14:06 Lmui wrote:
As good as C9 is individually in the NA scene, I think they'd still have trouble taking much more than a single game in a best of 5 against the top tier teams like SKT T1, MVP Ozone or even the CJ Entus teams. I really don't see anyone on C9 other than Meteos matching up evenly against their counterparts in Faker, Imp, Shy, Flame or Madlife and the supporting cast around the superstars are at least as good as their NA counterparts.
With EU being so close, it's hard to judge their level compared to NA/KR. Most teams play solidly but nothing stands out too much as exceptional. Historically, EU duo laners are weaker than their NA/KR counterparts with no one really capable of reaching the level of the Doublelifts/Imps/Madlifes/Xpecials.
I really think that tabzz and mithy are hidden diamonds in EU.
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On July 26 2013 14:09 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 13:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
I only see Gambit and Fnatic as contenders. Hoping for LemonPups for that 3rd EU seed though!
Edit: I'm not going to argue against your opinion but by your standard, people can say Vulcun have a shot against Koreans too, due to their LCS record. I say no. If CLG cleaned up their play; they have the parts to be a world contender. All their players are "good" enough to compete at that level; but their strats/drafts/etc. are lacking sooooo much.
Watch their team as lemongod is watching it... and then you know that they are still in season 2 with their mentality of how to win games.
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On July 26 2013 14:13 ExoFun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 14:09 wei2coolman wrote:On July 26 2013 13:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
I only see Gambit and Fnatic as contenders. Hoping for LemonPups for that 3rd EU seed though!
Edit: I'm not going to argue against your opinion but by your standard, people can say Vulcun have a shot against Koreans too, due to their LCS record. I say no. If CLG cleaned up their play; they have the parts to be a world contender. All their players are "good" enough to compete at that level; but their strats/drafts/etc. are lacking sooooo much. Watch their team as lemongod is watching it... and then you know that they are still in season 2 with their mentality of how to win games.
CLG did pick up montecristo, one of the best analysts of the Korean scene. Might be enough to bring them up to speed for in time for super week.
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On July 26 2013 14:13 ExoFun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 14:09 wei2coolman wrote:On July 26 2013 13:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
I only see Gambit and Fnatic as contenders. Hoping for LemonPups for that 3rd EU seed though!
Edit: I'm not going to argue against your opinion but by your standard, people can say Vulcun have a shot against Koreans too, due to their LCS record. I say no. If CLG cleaned up their play; they have the parts to be a world contender. All their players are "good" enough to compete at that level; but their strats/drafts/etc. are lacking sooooo much. Watch their team as lemongod is watching it... and then you know that they are still in season 2 with their mentality of how to win games.
I'm merely talking about individual talent; to actually compete at world level. C9 got the teamwork/communication part down; but no one on that team individually yells "WORLD TALENT". Look at all the top teams in the world; they all have at least 2 or 3 world class talents. Really; NA/EU really lacking multiple world class talent.
Also; as much as I like citric pups; I want NiP going for EU.
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On July 26 2013 14:15 Lmui wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 14:13 ExoFun wrote:On July 26 2013 14:09 wei2coolman wrote:On July 26 2013 13:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
I only see Gambit and Fnatic as contenders. Hoping for LemonPups for that 3rd EU seed though!
Edit: I'm not going to argue against your opinion but by your standard, people can say Vulcun have a shot against Koreans too, due to their LCS record. I say no. If CLG cleaned up their play; they have the parts to be a world contender. All their players are "good" enough to compete at that level; but their strats/drafts/etc. are lacking sooooo much. Watch their team as lemongod is watching it... and then you know that they are still in season 2 with their mentality of how to win games. CLG did pick up montecristo, one of the best analysts of the Korean scene. Might be enough to bring them up to speed for in time for super week.
This is not a recent thing. It's been around since a few weeks now. So, if they were going to show progress, it would've been seen already. They tried that double AD comp really hard last week, and it didn't seem like they knew how to properly take advantage of it. Either way, CLG needs more than just montecristo telling them Korean strats
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Just at G2...how did TSM get TF + Jayce? Especially without giving up Elise? WTF was dig thinking?
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On July 26 2013 14:22 cLutZ wrote:
Just at G2...how did TSM get TF + Jayce? Especially without giving up Elise? WTF was dig thinking?
My hypothesis holds true, you give TSM Karth or Jayce you're probably gonna have a bad time.
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