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Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 01 2012 20:48 GMT
#3941
Beautiful. Crs.NA really pulled out something great here with that Ashe.
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
December 01 2012 20:48 GMT
#3942
On December 02 2012 05:41 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 05:32 HazMat wrote:
On December 02 2012 05:18 TheYango wrote:
I'd say that all in all there are probably <20 champs that shouldn't see competitive play, period.

The other ~80 all about comfort, playstyles, and drafting intelligently. By and large people saying champs are bad are totally misjudging them.

I think 20 is a bit too much.
I'm thinking:
Sejuani
Zed
Tryndamere
Volibear
Talon
Karma
Leblanc
Rammus
Fiora
Galio (unless CLG support Galio makes a comeback? Though Loco still needs to learn regular supports so doubt it)
Brand


Then there's really situational picks but I don't think it's fair to say they shouldn't see competitive play, hell look at the recent AP Yi, GP, and Nasus picks.

Heimer
AP Master Yi
Gankplank
AD Sion
Nasus
Mordekaiser
Poppy

Fizz gets a special placement because he's viable but no one plays him, at least in my opinion.

Swain probably also goes somewhere in the second list.

I agree that Fizz is viable too. I think it's because only Tabzz knows how actually to play him.


Could we not say that Karma would go on the 2nd line aswell? Seeing as SGS have their own comp built around having her in midlane together with a shield heavy team (didnt work in IPL it seems, but they took a game of TPA in the GPL finals with it, and a stronger mechanical team would probably have even more success with it).
I also recall YTJM (old WE jungler) telling me, back when they were in Korea for OGN, that Sejuani was the most broken jungler in competitive play. Then again their might be a reason he isnt on WE anymore
washed
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
December 01 2012 20:49 GMT
#3943
wtf was jax doing
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 01 2012 20:49 GMT
#3944
On December 02 2012 05:46 c.Deadly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 05:41 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On December 02 2012 05:32 HazMat wrote:
On December 02 2012 05:18 TheYango wrote:
I'd say that all in all there are probably <20 champs that shouldn't see competitive play, period.

The other ~80 all about comfort, playstyles, and drafting intelligently. By and large people saying champs are bad are totally misjudging them.

I think 20 is a bit too much.
I'm thinking:
Sejuani
Zed
Tryndamere
Volibear
Talon
Karma
Leblanc
Rammus
Fiora
Galio (unless CLG support Galio makes a comeback? Though Loco still needs to learn regular supports so doubt it)
Brand


Then there's really situational picks but I don't think it's fair to say they shouldn't see competitive play, hell look at the recent AP Yi, GP, and Nasus picks.

Heimer
AP Master Yi
Gankplank
AD Sion
Nasus
Mordekaiser
Poppy

Fizz gets a special placement because he's viable but no one plays him, at least in my opinion.

Swain probably also goes somewhere in the second list.

I agree that Fizz is viable too. I think it's because only Tabzz knows how actually to play him.


Noticed Syndra is absent from the list, opinions on her?

That's 'cause he forgot her, which should tell you about where he'd put her.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 01 2012 20:49 GMT
#3945
That said about CLGna and Crsna, dat TSM...
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 01 2012 20:49 GMT
#3946
I swear there is a conspiracy to let the NA teams win.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
December 01 2012 20:50 GMT
#3947
That angush... he gets carried away with his emotions. The decisionmaking from he is terrible.
SoulSever
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada779 Posts
December 01 2012 20:50 GMT
#3948
On December 02 2012 05:48 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 05:46 SoulSever wrote:
I think Crs and M5 are destined to play each other again. weird feeling crs can get the upset vs TPA


TPA are way too strong for that to happen. I can't imagine that at all. Most NA teams suffer from so much inconsistency in their play. It's kinda ridiculous how refined the Asian teams are.


On Jacky's back I wouldn't say it's impossible. Man that guy is going to be #1 NA cutest superstar
Violet <3 ~~~Better places than here exist
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 01 2012 20:50 GMT
#3949
Rhux involved with 19 of the 21 kills, very impressive.
Kat also involved with 19 of the 21 kills.
Just very good team fighting, and grouping by crs.na
Cop is like 10/12 for arrows as well.
liftlift > tsm
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 01 2012 20:50 GMT
#3950
USA USA USA
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
December 01 2012 20:51 GMT
#3951
curse.na looking good man gg positively surprised.
TheSinisterRed
Profile Joined September 2012
United States1546 Posts
December 01 2012 20:51 GMT
#3952
Wow. Great play by Curse NA that game. Dealt with the Karthus so well lategame.
kleetzor
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany360 Posts
December 01 2012 20:51 GMT
#3953
'MURICA!!!!!!!!

go VOYBOYYYY
fcgog
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom876 Posts
December 01 2012 20:51 GMT
#3954
On December 02 2012 05:45 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Is Crs.eu really going from winning TotL to losing to Crs.na? =/

no it's from the high of being supremely prepared for Totl, then having no practice then, getting smashed at dreamhack to losing your support for not practicing, to low of then getting beat by Crs.na.
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
December 01 2012 20:51 GMT
#3955
On December 02 2012 05:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
That said about CLGna and Crsna, dat TSM...


TSM only serious team in NA
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
December 01 2012 20:51 GMT
#3956
gragas top viable??
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
December 01 2012 20:52 GMT
#3957
These ults are pretty amazing. Probably their best game of the tournament. I doubt it will carry over to their other rounds, but nice to see them perform well.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
December 01 2012 20:52 GMT
#3958
On December 02 2012 05:50 Slow Motion wrote:
USA USA USA

USA USA USA.

But, really Curse.NA played so smart it was unreal, Rhux is a muuuuuch better support than Elementz also
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
icemanzdoinwork
Profile Joined August 2010
447 Posts
December 01 2012 20:53 GMT
#3959
On December 02 2012 05:51 justiceknight wrote:
gragas top viable??


That was a pure 1v2 lane pick.
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
December 01 2012 20:53 GMT
#3960
CLG is on stream 2?
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