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ArcticFox
United States1092 Posts
Like right now, 9k lead at 25 mins. TSM vs. CLG.EU, I would be thinking CLG could possibly turtle and hope for a good engage. This game? I'm more or less waiting for Blaze to die a slow, painful death. I think that's why I'm feeling bored compared to yesterday. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
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misirlou
Portugal3316 Posts
On November 05 2012 06:09 MoonBear wrote: It's sadly just a fact that people are less engaged when they lack an emotional connection to the players or teams involved. As Yango has said, the real challenge to LoL is if Koreans/Other Asians take over everything and make it harder for people to want to care. I mean, look at MLG SC2. There's only been one foreign winner of an MLG ever since the Koreans arrived (HuK) and one other Finals with a Foreigner (Naniwa). Ever since 2012, no foreigner has made it to the Finals at all. Yes, completely agree. I didnt play sc2 at all besides campaign and customs but I really enjoyed all the tournaments since beta. Since all these koreans popped up it just stopped being interesting because of the lack of connection with the players. Not that I am discriminating, it's just that they don't speak english and so it's harder for me to understand them and like their personality. The same holds true for football, I can't quite like some foreign players and teams (mostly eastern europeans and russians) although I believe they play phenomenally. The fact that LoL is so much funier to play than it is to watch is due to the game being more fun to play than sc2 imo :p | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
Quick update on finals? What's the score tally? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 05 2012 06:20 xes wrote: Stinger is so good on Jax. CDR and AS lets you get more ult procs and more W resets. Nashor's gives you max CDR with masteries. I would prefer rageblade over it, and or witsend | ||
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scarper65
1560 Posts
On November 05 2012 06:20 misirlou wrote: Yes, completely agree. I didnt play sc2 at all besides campaign and customs but I really enjoyed all the tournaments since beta. Since all these koreans popped up it just stopped being interesting because of the lack of connection with the players. Not that I am discriminating, it's just that they don't speak english and so it's harder for me to understand them and like their personality. The same holds true for football, I can't quite like some foreign players and teams (mostly eastern europeans and russians) although I believe they play phenomenally. The fact that LoL is so much funier to play than it is to watch is due to the game being more fun to play than sc2 imo :p I fail to understand why personality matters more than good play. It just doesn't make sense. | ||
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SoulSever
Canada779 Posts
On November 05 2012 06:20 nosliw wrote: Nashors!!! Quick update on finals? What's the score tally? 2-0 wb finals, 1-1 1st Bo3 (about to be 1-1, sorry) | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 05 2012 06:17 SoulSever wrote: Cpt Jack def not best AD in the world. Pretty darn good but overrated slightly. As far as not caring about finals between 2 KR teams, it's hard to accept for white people that for the most part, they're not the best at something. For the record, I'm white and gladly embrace asian overlords in video games. I bet if there was a chinese NHL, they'd be sour as hell if all the north americans came and smacked them around for fun This is really stupid. CLGna and TSM are primarily Asian, not white, yet they're the most popular teams in NA. And Asians aren't inherently better at video games lol. They have set practice regimes that they take more seriously than westerners. It just so happens that in games like StarCraft, DotA, and League hardcore practice regimes like this are incredibly important. It has nothing to do with race. | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 05 2012 06:23 dukethegold wrote: Zero sustain Jax. Jesus I don't understand how Maknoon makes that work! Dont' need sustain if you have a Zilean, and lulu. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On November 05 2012 06:23 dukethegold wrote: Zero sustain Jax. Jesus I don't understand how Maknoon makes that work! Because maknoob builds what he pleases | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
 Has missed 2 barons now. | ||
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SoulSever
Canada779 Posts
On November 05 2012 06:22 overt wrote: This is really stupid. CLGna and TSM are primarily Asian, not white, yet they're the most popular teams in NA. And Asians aren't inherently better at video games lol. They have set practice regimes that they take more seriously than westerners. It just so happens that in games like StarCraft, DotA, and League hardcore practice regimes like this are incredibly important. It has nothing to do with race. TSM and CLG might be primarily asian but you can't honestly say that they behave anything like what we're accustomed to seeing in BW, SC2 and now korean LoL. They embarass themselves over and over with not just laziness but lame ass excuses and ignorance (we can't learn anything in korea) | ||
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Argoth.
Germany1961 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On November 05 2012 06:20 misirlou wrote: Yes, completely agree. I didnt play sc2 at all besides campaign and customs but I really enjoyed all the tournaments since beta. Since all these koreans popped up it just stopped being interesting because of the lack of connection with the players. Not that I am discriminating, it's just that they don't speak english and so it's harder for me to understand them and like their personality. The same holds true for football, I can't quite like some foreign players and teams (mostly eastern europeans and russians) although I believe they play phenomenally. The fact that LoL is so much funier to play than it is to watch is due to the game being more fun to play than sc2 imo :p SC2 Tournaments, for me, were initially really disappointing because players like Fruitdealer just dissipated after winning GSL. Honestly, the SC2 problem, in that the "best" players don't don't consistently make the finals, or the "best" players are changing too quickly. Except MVP, he's awesome. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 05 2012 06:22 scarper65 wrote: I fail to understand why personality matters more than good play. It just doesn't make sense. Because the vast majority of players do not play or understand the game at a level where they can understand, appreciate, or get excited for high level play. In pretty much every game, the top level of play is extremely nuanced and much of the enjoyment from watching it requires a high-level understanding of the game. People want to watch an EXCITING game--this does not always equate to high level play (though as a designer, one should be cognizant of trying to make high-level play exciting to watch). Having a team you're emotionally invested in contributes more to making a game exciting than having a good team in it, especially when your understanding of the game isn't at a level where you can fully appreciate the very top level of play anyway. tl;dr - better teams doesn't inherently contribute to a game being more exciting for the average viewer; being emotionally invested in one of the teams does On November 05 2012 06:22 overt wrote: This is really stupid. CLGna and TSM are primarily Asian, not white, yet they're the most popular teams in NA. And Asians aren't inherently better at video games lol. They have set practice regimes that they take more seriously than westerners. It just so happens that in games like StarCraft, DotA, and League hardcore practice regimes like this are incredibly important. It has nothing to do with race. They're still American teams by nature of having personalities exposed to us as NA viewers. It's about the level of emotional investment. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On November 05 2012 06:25 SoulSever wrote: TSM and CLG might be primarily asian but you can't honestly say that they behave anything like what we're accustomed to seeing in BW, SC2 and now korean LoL. They embarass themselves over and over with not just laziness but lame ass excuses and ignorance (we can't learn anything in korea) Come on man chauster knows how little they can gain from the Koreans just look at all their wins over Korean teams. | ||
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On November 05 2012 06:22 scarper65 wrote: I fail to understand why personality matters more than good play. It just doesn't make sense. Watching tournaments and streams is about entertainment rather than education for the most part. That means you want to have an emotional connection to the media at hand for maximum impact (just like how you want to connect with the characters of a book or movie). Feeling the highs as your team wins, or the sad swings when they lose; it makes the experience more intense. | ||
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petered
United States1817 Posts
That being said, this game needs to end! We all know this one is over lets move on haha. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 05 2012 06:25 SoulSever wrote: TSM and CLG might be primarily asian but you can't honestly say that they behave anything like what we're accustomed to seeing in BW, SC2 and now korean LoL. They embarass themselves over and over with not just laziness but lame ass excuses and ignorance (we can't learn anything in korea) But you implied that it was "hard for white people" to accept that they're not the best at something. Yet two teams that are very much not white people are the most popular teams. The reason why Koreans and Chinese teams aren't as popular isn't about race. It's primarily about the fact that Europeans are gonna root for teams that are from where they're from. North Americans are gonna root for teams that are from where they're from. Combine the fact that we don't share a common language with Koreans and Chinese teams and you have your answer. As for actual skill, race does not determine ones skill at something. That's some borderline eugenics shit. | ||
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