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Keep the rage to a minimum. This includes wait times between games, music, and balance.

Fair warning to all.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
October 06 2012 01:16 GMT
#6961
On October 06 2012 10:14 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 10:13 Gorsameth wrote:
On October 06 2012 10:13 Numy wrote:
So NA are better at Dota than they are at LoL? Seems completely counter intuitive :<


Dota teams practice. LoL teams dont. (not properly anyway)

YOU MEAN MASS SOLO QUEUE STREAMS ISN'T NO.1 PRACTICE!?


Hey, it worked for top notch DotA teams like Mouz and MtW
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
kaykaykay
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore637 Posts
October 06 2012 01:16 GMT
#6962
DYRUS TROLL NO SHAKE HAND. :D
Starve the ego, feed the soul.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 06 2012 01:16 GMT
#6963
haha, rachel + frost guy were going out on the stage in the background, turn around halfway
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
October 06 2012 01:16 GMT
#6964
KARTHE KARTHE KARTHE KARTHE
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
October 06 2012 01:16 GMT
#6965
Looking forward to AF vs M5 finals ^^

TSM was just clearly a level under AF those last games
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
October 06 2012 01:16 GMT
#6966
TSM lets Frost back into the game by not properly following up after they take the top turret at 5 minutes. You're supposed to take all the first tier turrets, and then take every single objective, invade the jungle, and continue to push down turrets (exactly what Frost did in the first game). Instead, they decide to let laning resume, and allow Frost to farm up their gold difference.

I think it's pretty definitive that none of the NA teams are playing at the same level as the other teams, and it has nothing to do with individual skill. Team comps, picks, and game flow are beyond the play of them all it seems.
TheSinisterRed
Profile Joined September 2012
United States1546 Posts
October 06 2012 01:17 GMT
#6967
On October 06 2012 10:13 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 10:12 Zabad wrote:
The throws man :/

TSM doesn't know how to play the follow-up to the early fast push. They floundered for a while and eventually just lost their lead.

Practicing against NA teams this absolutely didn't matter because after they got ahead off the fast push, their superior fundamentals can carry them to a win against inferior NA teams, so not knowing definitively how to play the follow-up doesnt matter. But against Asian teams they can't bank on that carrying them to a win, so they eventually just lost.

I got this feeling watching them as well. They got the great first blood, the fast turret and the dragon pick up. Then they just slowed down and let Frost make plays to get back in. They should have grouped and roamed to push down more towers to gain control of Frost's jungle. Skarner was really the reason Frost was able to make plays. Once things evened out again TSM fell into the same pattern they did last game, letting Frost pick up turrets basically for free and slowly losing all map control.
Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
October 06 2012 01:17 GMT
#6968
On October 06 2012 10:15 Paraiba wrote:
Maybe now those LoL fans who keep discounting Koreans will realize who Western players are up against.

This is like SC in 2002 all over again.


Maybe they will realize that streaming soloque for 8 hours a day is not a good way to practise
"If yellow does start SC2, I should start handsomenerd diaper busniess and become a rich man" - John the Translator
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 06 2012 01:17 GMT
#6969
On October 06 2012 10:15 gaizka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 10:13 HazMat wrote:
On October 06 2012 10:12 phyvo wrote:
Today I learned that USA sucks for the 3rd time (ty sc/dota/LoL). =( =( =( =(

Canada too bro. I think what NA needs is a Mexican team.


To represent as the american team? or for the americans to have a team to beat?

To represent NA.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 01:18:01
October 06 2012 01:17 GMT
#6970
Koreans have better practice partners in themselves the amount of good teams is much higher simply because they take gaming seriously. So even if an NA team does practice as much and well as a Korean team they will not have the same partners to scrim against. Probably the same thing with EU to a lesser degree.
cvt
Profile Joined November 2011
United States192 Posts
October 06 2012 01:17 GMT
#6971
Starcraft community knew that the Koreans would absolutely stomp TSM.

Weird... it's like Koreans are just better at video games..............................
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 06 2012 01:17 GMT
#6972
On October 06 2012 10:15 vurt wrote:
It's pretty funny that people thought TSM even stood a chance against the Koreans.

I look forward to the S3 circuit.

Asian team vs. NA team matches are universally going to be 20 minute stomps.
Moderator
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 01:17:54
October 06 2012 01:17 GMT
#6973
Another supercute translator. WTF.
Off-season = best season
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 01:18:34
October 06 2012 01:17 GMT
#6974
NA worst scene in esports. LoL no exception. Don't expect them to do any better in S3 to be honest.

Still jiji fanboy.

edit:
asian girls fucking hot
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
October 06 2012 01:18 GMT
#6975
"That's sportsmanship guys, you can clap for that."
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 06 2012 01:18 GMT
#6976
On October 06 2012 10:17 Redox wrote:
Another supercute translator. WTF.

Eh TPA manager better.
Administrator@TL_Zess
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 01:18:40
October 06 2012 01:18 GMT
#6977
On October 06 2012 10:17 TheSinisterRed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 10:13 TheYango wrote:
On October 06 2012 10:12 Zabad wrote:
The throws man :/

TSM doesn't know how to play the follow-up to the early fast push. They floundered for a while and eventually just lost their lead.

Practicing against NA teams this absolutely didn't matter because after they got ahead off the fast push, their superior fundamentals can carry them to a win against inferior NA teams, so not knowing definitively how to play the follow-up doesnt matter. But against Asian teams they can't bank on that carrying them to a win, so they eventually just lost.

I got this feeling watching them as well. They got the great first blood, the fast turret and the dragon pick up. Then they just slowed down and let Frost make plays to get back in. They should have grouped and roamed to push down more towers to gain control of Frost's jungle. Skarner was really the reason Frost was able to make plays. Once things evened out again TSM fell into the same pattern they did last game, letting Frost pick up turrets basically for free and slowly losing all map control.


The obvious solution is that their sharingan ran out of chakra and they stopped being able to continue to copy the korean style
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Venien
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom161 Posts
October 06 2012 01:18 GMT
#6978
TSM can't complain. Rolled a developing NA scene (I reckon Ferus, Dynamic & Orbit will start to shine soon with more practise) to get seeded to a free $15k each minimum + season 3 qualification. Back to earning stream revenue for them though.
henrikyo
Profile Joined March 2008
Norway755 Posts
October 06 2012 01:18 GMT
#6979
On October 06 2012 10:14 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 10:13 henrikyo wrote:
Also why are NA teams worse then europe/koreans in every esports game. Meh.


lack of proper practice.

Yes maybe NA teams should stop doing solo queue 6 hours a day on own3d.tv

Dunno how much they practice as a team, but it seems very little.
RealQ
Profile Joined March 2011
1120 Posts
October 06 2012 01:18 GMT
#6980
On October 06 2012 10:14 WhiteDog wrote:
I don't really understand people. Did we watch the same game ? TSM showed good play, Azubu just had better strategy overall, the split push completly let TSM behind, they're too fast, can disengage whenever they want.


They got Outplayed in every sense of the word.

It wasnt even close. having a 3k lead at 7;40 and losing that game is just bad.
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