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On October 05 2012 12:13 Ziken wrote:
Okay guys i was able to catch the very first game between frost and iG, and part of the second between iG and clg na, just going over the thread and had a look at the results so far, any standout games i missed that i should definitely check out later?
CLG.na vs SK had a pretty epic ending; most of the game was a bit slow but if you're a fan of the teams it's a good game.
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On October 05 2012 12:11 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 03:28 Fionn wrote:
My picks for the groups were 1. Frost/2. iG/3. SK/4. Prime and 1. Sword/2. CLG.eu/3. Jokers/4. Dignitas
I pick against America. I am traitor. Yeeeeeeeeeah.
For us Starcraft fans this is almost automatic.
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Whoever wins Jokers and CLG moves on in 2nd. Easy.
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YEAH BABY! VCS GOGOO! (you'll only get it if you're vietnamese)
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On October 05 2012 12:16 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 12:11 Slow Motion wrote:
NA players get too much money from streaming. when i've seen scrims streamed there isn't a huge drop in viewers or anything. at this point it's not about keeping strats secret. they need to grind out tons of scrims just to raise their level of play in general. that won't be giving anything away if they stream it. they can still work on some secret shit off stream too
I prefer watching Scrims over almost anything else.
IMO the best teams to watch that stream their scrims are SK and aL.NA.
aL.NA especially, listening to their picks/bans every time ALWAYS teaches me something new.
Hope you're reading Spellsy <3 your stream (You too Slooshi)
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On October 05 2012 12:16 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 12:11 Slow Motion wrote:
NA players get too much money from streaming. when i've seen scrims streamed there isn't a huge drop in viewers or anything. at this point it's not about keeping strats secret. they need to grind out tons of scrims just to raise their level of play in general. that won't be giving anything away if they stream it. they can still work on some secret shit off stream too
Yeah I don't get why so many teams don't want to stream their scrims. What exactly was CLGna trying to hide by keeping their scrims secret? They did the same thing everyone expected them to do in this tournament, nothing special at all.
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On October 05 2012 12:15 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 12:13 Numy wrote:On October 05 2012 12:11 Dgiese wrote:On October 05 2012 12:08 Numy wrote:
This is starting to feel a lot like the Dota 2 international. People more exposed to Western teams -> so they overrate western teams -> East Stomps everyone -> People surprised. Pretty sure most ppl on TL expected Azubu and IG from group A, and Sword and CLG.EU from B. So far only 'upset' has been jokers beating dig... which is more funny than surprising. Yea but TL is a small smart community. The "fan polls" kind of said differently didn't it? I think it's the "fan favorite" effect you see in every game. Like how for any poll you'll see "Who do you think will win MLG?", and Thorzain, Naniwa, and some other good foreigners will have a good chunk of the votes just because everyone loves them. But in the end, if you think rationally you KNOW someone like MC or Bomber or MKP will be taking down the prize with ease. For people who closely follow the scenes, these results aren't surprising, but to either blind fanboys or casual fans, seeing their heroes get trashed is shocking, at least it seems so judging by my friend's response to CLG's 1-2.
People got to understand, it is a best of 1 format.. Dig threw the game.. like come on why would you pick kat.. there comp made NO sense at all.. no combo no nothing they under estimated Saigon Jokers and lost.. Saigon Jokers aren't better then Dignitas
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On October 05 2012 12:14 NHY wrote:
So Najin is 1st in group now no matter what right? Anyone know for sure how they treat ties in group stage?
Najin is advancing. Ties are determined by another set of games.
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On October 05 2012 12:16 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 12:15 EchelonTee wrote:On October 05 2012 12:13 Numy wrote:On October 05 2012 12:11 Dgiese wrote:On October 05 2012 12:08 Numy wrote:
This is starting to feel a lot like the Dota 2 international. People more exposed to Western teams -> so they overrate western teams -> East Stomps everyone -> People surprised. Pretty sure most ppl on TL expected Azubu and IG from group A, and Sword and CLG.EU from B. So far only 'upset' has been jokers beating dig... which is more funny than surprising. Yea but TL is a small smart community. The "fan polls" kind of said differently didn't it? I think it's the "fan favorite" effect you see in every game. Like how for any poll you'll see "Who do you think will win MLG?", and Thorzain, Naniwa, and some other good foreigners will have a good chunk of the votes just because everyone loves them. But in the end, if you think rationally you KNOW someone like MC or Bomber or MKP will be taking down the prize with ease. For people who closely follow the scenes, these results aren't surprising, but to either blind fanboys or casual fans, seeing their heroes get trashed is shocking, at least it seems so judging by my friend's response to CLG's 1-2. Explains why I know iG will lose to M5. :D
Meh, I was predicting with my heart for Group A and hoping for a miracle. Obviously iG is far superior atm. They proved it while CLG was in Korea, they proved it today in LA.
I think most TL.netters followed suit. We all knew what kind of piss poor shape NA teams are. This is just a crashing confirmation of what we all knew was coming.
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On October 05 2012 12:16 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 12:14 NHY wrote:
So Najin is 1st in group now no matter what right? Anyone know for sure how they treat ties in group stage? They still have to beat Dignitas.
Doesn't matter.
Sword > CLG and Jokers.
Only team that can be 2-1 besides them are CLG and Jokers. They get 1st due to head-to-head even if they throw away the Dig game.
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On October 05 2012 12:18 QuakerOats wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 12:16 Liquid`NonY wrote:On October 05 2012 12:11 Slow Motion wrote:
NA players get too much money from streaming. when i've seen scrims streamed there isn't a huge drop in viewers or anything. at this point it's not about keeping strats secret. they need to grind out tons of scrims just to raise their level of play in general. that won't be giving anything away if they stream it. they can still work on some secret shit off stream too Yeah I don't get why so many teams don't want to stream their scrims. What exactly was CLGna trying to hide by keeping their scrims secret? They did the same thing everyone expected them to do in this tournament, nothing special at all.
They were trying to hide how fucking bad they were, obviously. Troll entire fanbase.
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On October 05 2012 12:18 QuakerOats wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 12:16 Liquid`NonY wrote:On October 05 2012 12:11 Slow Motion wrote:
NA players get too much money from streaming. when i've seen scrims streamed there isn't a huge drop in viewers or anything. at this point it's not about keeping strats secret. they need to grind out tons of scrims just to raise their level of play in general. that won't be giving anything away if they stream it. they can still work on some secret shit off stream too Yeah I don't get why so many teams don't want to stream their scrims. What exactly was CLGna trying to hide by keeping their scrims secret? They did the same thing everyone expected them to do in this tournament, nothing special at all.
If they practiced that crazy teleport thing on stream a bunch of times they might not have tricked SK into throwing the game. Of course, they still wouldn't have advanced so ^_^
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TSM, last "white" (NA) hope.
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As someone who watched Asian tournaments just as much as western ones, I also did not expect SAJ to win any matches here. They made so many silly mistakes in GPL and even the SEA regionals, blown away right now.
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I am going to have nightmares of the tune that plays at breaks lol.
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when i've seen scrims streamed there isn't a huge drop in viewers or anything. at this point it's not about keeping strats secret. they need to grind out tons of scrims just to raise their level of play in general. that won't be giving anything away if they stream it. they can still work on some secret shit off stream too
The reason why people dont like to do that is because you want to talk about stuff during scrims. You want to talk how that or that would fit in other strategies etc which you obviously cant do.
On a sidenote I love that people start to discover Lux support I used to play Lux/trist for a few months almost a year ago(yes at a decent level  ) It just is an incredible strong combo and after lvl 6 you can oneshot everything.
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To be fair, TSM does seem head and shoulders above the rest of the NA scene (personally I think orb and mme would have had a better showing than clg and dig, but whatever). The only problem is being head and shoulders above another team is no good if they are dwarfs (or should that be midgets?).
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On October 05 2012 12:16 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 12:11 Slow Motion wrote:
NA players get too much money from streaming. when i've seen scrims streamed there isn't a huge drop in viewers or anything. at this point it's not about keeping strats secret. they need to grind out tons of scrims just to raise their level of play in general. that won't be giving anything away if they stream it. they can still work on some secret shit off stream too
the downside of streaming scrims is that your ideas/strategies get to be analized quickly and people can develop counters to it, it's kind of the same as practicing a build that can be gamechanging on sc2.
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On October 05 2012 12:18 naux wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 12:15 EchelonTee wrote:On October 05 2012 12:13 Numy wrote:On October 05 2012 12:11 Dgiese wrote:On October 05 2012 12:08 Numy wrote:
This is starting to feel a lot like the Dota 2 international. People more exposed to Western teams -> so they overrate western teams -> East Stomps everyone -> People surprised. Pretty sure most ppl on TL expected Azubu and IG from group A, and Sword and CLG.EU from B. So far only 'upset' has been jokers beating dig... which is more funny than surprising. Yea but TL is a small smart community. The "fan polls" kind of said differently didn't it? I think it's the "fan favorite" effect you see in every game. Like how for any poll you'll see "Who do you think will win MLG?", and Thorzain, Naniwa, and some other good foreigners will have a good chunk of the votes just because everyone loves them. But in the end, if you think rationally you KNOW someone like MC or Bomber or MKP will be taking down the prize with ease. For people who closely follow the scenes, these results aren't surprising, but to either blind fanboys or casual fans, seeing their heroes get trashed is shocking, at least it seems so judging by my friend's response to CLG's 1-2. People got to understand, it is a best of 1 format.. Dig threw the game.. like come on why would you pick kat.. there comp made NO sense at all.. no combo no nothing they under estimated Saigon Jokers and lost.. Saigon Jokers aren't better then Dignitas
Drafting is part of the game; if you let yourself get out drafted, then you are not better than your opponent.
The SC2 equivalent would be getting mindgamed and losing through build orders.
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On October 05 2012 12:19 NeoIllusions wrote:TSM, last "white" (NA) hope.
Given how crappy the teams TSM have been facing are, I'm assuming Frost is going to demolish them.
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