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Patch 10.12: Live on June. 10. 2020
Team Fight Tactics Patch 10.12 Live on June. 10, 2020
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I just thought about it... does the Tribunal even exist anymore? Should that be removed from the thread opener? 
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Germany4194 Posts
Tribunal was the funniest tool ever, I can't tell you how many hilarious chat logs I read. I'll go look for my favorite one, Mundo's Shoes Shop, but the old subreddit has some gems. The forum posts have disappeared I think, so the very best memes are long gone.
Please keep the thread opener, maybe someone will ask about it.
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Speaking of, did people see the Hai chat ban? Incredible. But it also explains some of my chat bans a while back. There is nothing that pisses me off more than a guy who trolls champ select cus he didn't get the role he wanted then AFKs. Apparently Riot thinks "reported" is a slur of some sort.
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One of my old roommates calls our team trash/garbage/etc when they're trolling and yet is honor level 5, the worst I've ever done is ask what my teammates expected to happen when they do X and I've gotten chat restricted 3 or 4 times. The reporting/honor system is broken and doesn't actually accomplish the mission Riot set out for it. What's the point of even talking in a game if someone can troll you and YOU get punished for calling them out? Also it takes 100 years to get honor levels
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Germany4194 Posts
It's social over-engineering all over again, and arbitrary standards. It reminds me of the fiasco a few years ago where the Rioter responsible for player behavior had all sorts of wonderful stats and interpretations of toxicity in the game, and was fired for being toxic himself. Can't remember his name...The ban system is in need of a rethink. I actually liked the Tribunal, it gave you a glimpse of what constitutes being toxic from an outsider's view, so you could (hopefully) bring it into your own games. I would also be surprised if it had more false positives than the bot system.
PB report system is finally coming out, and people have been asking for it for almost 10 years. There are so many ways to subvert the automated system, super toxic people only get caught if they don't care. But it also punishes for fairly tame bad words: imo I couldn't care less if some edgy kid thinks he's cool because he spouts racial slurs, I just mute him and report after game. But the Jax who flames our team and starts split push inting because he got ganked at level 3 and decides he wants to sabotage a game where everyone else is winning hard? That's 30 minutes where 4 people are having their game ruined, and he ofc doesn't get punished.
One of my old roommates calls our team trash/garbage/etc when they're trolling and yet is honor level 5
You can get honor 5 simply by never typing, except for once every 10 games where you can flame as hard as you like (without using the banned words). You get honor for playing good, and punished for being toxic, and those things are not opposite traits.
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I definitely disagree, I switched to jungle a few weeks ago and lost count at 23 of my first 25 games MVP or ACE from op.gg, yet I have yet to get the most honors on my team. So playing well is definitely not enough to get honors.
But I do agree that its super easy to bypass the automated system, I played with an Udyr named "the n words are bad" (or some other adjective but you get the idea) but used some numbers instead of letters and just ran around being super toxic. It was ranked so he obviously had played this account past level 30 lmao
Also is there some form of lower priority queue, either known or rumored? Since I got chat restricted the number of trolls in my games have shot up dramatically or is this season just extra troll?
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On June 11 2020 15:21 cLutZ wrote:
Speaking of, did people see the Hai chat ban? Incredible. But it also explains some of my chat bans a while back. There is nothing that pisses me off more than a guy who trolls champ select cus he didn't get the role he wanted then AFKs. Apparently Riot thinks "reported" is a slur of some sort.
I think it's based on people announcing/asking for reports for stupid reasons so often that Riot decided to add the word to the list of automatically actioned words. The logic would be A (player asks for a report) + B (that player is reported therefore he might be doing something wrong) = C (that player likely asked for a false report).
I never got chat restricted and I announce my reports quite often, so if I had to jump to conclusions I'd either say that Hai types way too much and his teammates find him annoying, or that he keeps playing against the same shitty people who keep reporting him out of spite. Could be both too.
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Germany4194 Posts
Also is there some form of lower priority queue, either known or rumored?
I think there is, when I was temp banned (first time in over 5 years, just from one single game for using bad words), it did feel like I was being placed with generally toxic people. Very fun considering I went from Honor 5 to 'toxic player' in one game... And I've never been chat restricted either, which I would've considered a fair punishment for what I said, temp ban was a shocker.
I think it's based on people announcing/asking for reports for stupid reasons so often that Riot decided to add the word to the list of automatically actioned words.
I don't think 'reported' is a trigger word, I've used it loads of times. Maybe if you type it and people report you, it triggers?
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That's what I meant. Similarly I think you can use the n word and be safe as long as nobody reports you. Obviously the system gives the n word a bigger weight (fewer reported violations needed to trigger a penalty), but the mechanism is the same. If there is no report, there will be no action.
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On June 11 2020 22:25 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I definitely disagree, I switched to jungle a few weeks ago and lost count at 23 of my first 25 games MVP or ACE from op.gg, yet I have yet to get the most honors on my team. So playing well is definitely not enough to get honors.
Just play Soraka or Janna for around a week or so. Broken soloQ supports and ez honor 5. :^)
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On June 12 2020 03:17 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2020 22:25 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I definitely disagree, I switched to jungle a few weeks ago and lost count at 23 of my first 25 games MVP or ACE from op.gg, yet I have yet to get the most honors on my team. So playing well is definitely not enough to get honors. Just play Soraka or Janna for around a week or so. Broken soloQ supports and ez honor 5. :^)
At the rate I'm being trolled I'd literally be in bronze lmao, but before I switched from Support to jungle I did have a mean Raka win rate
On June 12 2020 02:14 DarkCore wrote:I think there is, when I was temp banned (first time in over 5 years, just from one single game for using bad words), it did feel like I was being placed with generally toxic people. Very fun considering I went from Honor 5 to 'toxic player' in one game... And I've never been chat restricted either, which I would've considered a fair punishment for what I said, temp ban was a shocker. Show nested quote +I think it's based on people announcing/asking for reports for stupid reasons so often that Riot decided to add the word to the list of automatically actioned words. I don't think 'reported' is a trigger word, I've used it loads of times. Maybe if you type it and people report you, it triggers?
Same, I went from Honor 5 to literally being trolled in 8 of 10 games, sometimes worse.
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I literally only ever honor good support players, if our support player was bad I hit the arrow
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My biggest issue with Riot is their inconsistency (or should I say hypocrisy) in doing things. Like in the Hai case, if saying "reported" and whatever else mild he said is considered a punishable offense, so be it, these are the limits Riot sets, so everyone who mention these in chat should be banned, but they are not. No one is and then some are and then in this sever in this elo someone else is, but his teammate who said absolutely the same things in the same game is not and so and so on. Everything Riot does is on the fly, punishments, bans, tool-tips, updates, bug fixes, everything vary based on server, elo, region, sunny day, rainy day and they are not even really strictly based on these criteria, its like however they feel like for whatever its on their mind now. Not to mention how many things they "officially" promise with posts, replies, videos etc. and then they dont even announce that they gave up (lied or whatever). Its like nothing happened, we just write stuff here and there, it will happen in 5 years, maybe 10 or not. Corrupted politicians have more decency in following up on their promises.
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Germany4194 Posts
The Hai case is exactly what we've come to expect from Riot, i.e. lots of double standards and arbitrary treatment. At the end of the day, there are no laws that govern how they deal with major community personalities, that's why we have so many toxic big streamers who do unranked to Challenger marathons while flaming scrubs go unpunished, and Hai gets put under review. Riot looks at profit first.
It does sometimes feel like Riot is pretty disorganized in the background. Most of those 'broken promises' were made years ago when the company was arguably smaller and more inexperienced, but well, a lot of those promises are features that this game desperately needs even now...
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I think the Hai situation is probably something closer to sent’s speculation in that he’s actually just mad annoying and so he probably gets reported like by at least one teammate per game. So when the bot looks at his account it’s seeing a pattern of “bad behavior “.
Now that he was able to get suspended from LPP, either there’s a second game we aren’t seeing or Riot doesn’t even have manual oversight of their streamer outreach program with <100 members? Seems mega troll, but at the same time LPP already felt mismanaged as fuck.
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Speaking of that LPP drama, mad respect to Tyler1 for straight up telling Riot to either remove him too or stop fucking with Hai.
They took option A
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Germany4194 Posts
He doesn't need LPP, and Riot loses a chance to showcase skins. It's honestly a lose for them.
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Would explain why they dropped their promise to rework ap bruiser items some time ago. They're going to rework everything instead. Well, almost everything, they said they want to retain 34% of the items in their current form.
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