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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
November 24 2019 14:26 GMT
#101
I think EU orgs would do the same if they could afford hiring players better or more marketable than their (admittedly better than NA's) local talent. Thankfully China and NA are much richer, so competing with those regions wasn't possible, which forced Europe to look for alternatives among "unproven" local players.

Having lots of national leagues probably helped too, I think it would much harder to find promising players if we had a more centralized system because imports would likely dominate in the "academy" league too.
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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
November 24 2019 14:33 GMT
#102
I call bs on the less talent argument, just because the player pool is half of EU/KR doesn't mean that NA should be struggling to find even single digit numbers of new talent. And gaming culture doesn't really hold either, yeah it's tough to move from the East Coast to California, while the LEC revolves around Berlin with hot spots around Western Europe, and the ping can be quite high (50-100 vs 10-50 in EUW), but again I just don't buy that resulting in such a drought. Especially because NA pays so much more than EU, Academy salaries aren't often disclosed but unless NA is paying them minimum wage they should be able to find people.
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-24 15:35:27
November 24 2019 15:34 GMT
#103
It's not just a "less talent" argument, it's a "less talent + more money" argument. It makes no sense to invest in NA equivalent of Abbedage when you can afford to import Power of Evil, Nisqy or Crown. And you have just one NAbbedage, who might not be what your team needs while there are 3 Abbedages in Europe, so there's a higher chance one of them will be exactly what you need.

I didn't bring up gaming culture argument but If I were to do that I would start with claiming that there have to be some structural and/or cultural differences between NA, EUW and EUNE that result in the last one producing much more top tier talent than the first two.

Also, I'm just guessing here, but I think EU's competitive/semiprofessional player pool is more than twice as big as NA's, it's only the entire server(s) population that's twice as big.
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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
November 24 2019 16:18 GMT
#104
Was actually replying to Redox with my comment, yours got posted while I was typing it. So I've only just read it now.

It's not just a "less talent" argument, it's a "less talent + more money" argument. It makes no sense to invest in NA equivalent of Abbedage when you can afford to import Power of Evil, Nisqy or Crown. And you have just one NAbbedage, who might not be what your team needs while there are 3 Abbedages in Europe, so there's a higher chance one of them will be exactly what you need.


But NA has failed miserably making the best out of these imports? People make fun of NA as a retirement home because they get paid big bucks but have very little to show. Outside of TL, a team of established veterans, everyone has imports that are only mid tier at best. There are def NA naturals who could replace them if given the training and chance. NA teams have enough money to put NA Abbedage on an academy roster, EU Abbedage on the main team, and probably a no name in the team house. Not investing into future assets because they don't rake in the cash/stability right now seems like bad business, especially because LCS is a franchise and thus team's don't have to worry about relegation anymore.

Also, I'm just guessing here, but I think EU's competitive/semiprofessional player pool is more than twice as big as NA's, it's only the entire server(s) population that's twice as big.


I think you're right, but that doesn't address why the semi-pro scene is so much bigger. Why are there no minor NA tournaments that get streamed on Twitch? There's always people casting German/Austrian/Spanish/Polish/French cups and leagues that get a few thousand viewers, why did these form in EU and not NA? Did Riot NA not put the same resources in as Riot EU, or did they focus too much only on major teams? Are NA sponsors only looking at the LCS, and completely ignoring local sponsorship? NA had such a headstart in terms of infrastructure, so much money was being invested in the early seasons, hence why people expected them to follow KR and become a powerhouse.
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
November 24 2019 17:38 GMT
#105
iG loses Mafa, keeps theShy
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
November 24 2019 21:17 GMT
#106

Amazing retires


Aphro officially out of 100T


Kobbe officially joins TSM

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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-24 21:25:24
November 24 2019 21:24 GMT
#107
Amazing retires


Almost expected him to land in another good team for a split or two. I wonder if it's just "retiring" or "retiring to work as a coach".

Why are there no minor NA tournaments that get streamed on Twitch? There's always people casting German/Austrian/Spanish/Polish/French cups and leagues that get a few thousand viewers, why did these form in EU and not NA?


I think it happened naturally because of language differences. Not only there are people who don't know English well enough to follow esports casted in that language, there's also that desire to follow "our guys" in esports that gets people to watch their local leagues, and language differences make that desire stronger. Just guessing here but I'm convinced Americans wouldn't feel the same about watching state or regional (e.g. East Coast) American tournaments as Europeans feel about watching their national leagues.
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
November 25 2019 00:47 GMT
#108
WE.Mystic left the team last week, turns out he came back to Korea and joined Afreeca

DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
November 25 2019 15:15 GMT
#109
I'm happy about that, I like Mystic when he first joined WE, I only stopped following them last year because they sucked and the nostalgia of watching Weixiao wore off.
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AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
November 25 2019 15:28 GMT
#110
Big news out of LCK. Griffin's parent company announced that they've annulled all current contracts with their players. They've announced that Lehends, Chovy and Doran have all declined their new contracts. Everyone on Griffin is now FA.
Que Sera Sera
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
November 25 2019 16:38 GMT
#111
Rumours that those 3 are going to DRX, in which case Deft won't just get a good team he can carry, he'll get one capable of hard carrying him.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
November 25 2019 21:37 GMT
#112
Stunt officially the 100T support


Ssumday
Meteos
??? (currently Ryoma)
??? (rumored Cody)
Stunt
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-25 23:51:16
November 25 2019 23:47 GMT
#113


TL adds Shernfire to the jungle for TLA

Pobelter out of LCS

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr2sa1

With Damonte and Pob out of LCS that leaves NA mids at....GoldenGlue?
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 26 2019 01:54 GMT
#114
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-26 04:08:59
November 26 2019 04:03 GMT
#115
He makes some points in there about playing for kda or hogging counter(last) pick that have some real resonance. I would hope na gms would be better than to look at kda and call it a day but I mean Santorin is employed so xD.
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AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
November 26 2019 09:38 GMT
#116
The one thing that is left out though is how much is Pobeleter wanting vs these other guys. Ryoma, for example, is probably on the LCS minimum wage.
Que Sera Sera
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-26 12:10:14
November 26 2019 12:09 GMT
#117
SKT pick up Roach and Coach Kim (of iG fame), and transfer their trainee squad to their official roster.

Also Lira out of Dig and not in LCS 2020
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-26 12:41:15
November 26 2019 12:36 GMT
#118
I could see PoB going to a wildcard league for a bit.

Roach to T1 for Top.
Kim(DWG/iG) to T1 for Coach)
Kkoma to Vici
Johnsun to start at ADC for DIG
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-26 12:41:22
November 26 2019 12:38 GMT
#119
https://dotesports.com/league-of-legends/news/dignitas-struggling-after-spending-budget-on-huni

Who knew

https://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/28163021/kkoma-vici-gaming-kim-jeong-soo-t1
Rip Kkoma, that’s a fucking yikes
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8938 Posts
November 26 2019 13:22 GMT
#120
what i dont understand is kkoma is getting married real soon (or he literally just got married). its entirely possible that the newlywed couple was happy to move to china but more likely than not id expect that his wife had her own life in korea and would have preferred to stay in the country? seems very weird that he moved to china given his new personal life
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