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Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
September 18 2018 19:34 GMT
#41
On September 19 2018 01:58 JimmiC wrote:
What cheat is that?

5x Ziggs could basically become immortal with the satchel shield augment since it worked on all Ziggs when stacked.

It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 18 2018 19:35 GMT
#42
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General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
September 19 2018 12:49 GMT
#43
Anyone find any choice builds or augment combos that are fun but not cheesy to the point of being exploits?
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
September 19 2018 15:33 GMT
#44
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
September 19 2018 17:40 GMT
#45
I never pay attention to my lp or division so I like this change, though I'd prefer more leagues on top instead of adding anything below bronze.
You're now breathing manually
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 19 2018 19:06 GMT
#46
I'm still annoyed that Master and Grand Master are below Challenger. It never really made sense and makes even less sense now that Challenger League is gone.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-19 19:36:34
September 19 2018 19:36 GMT
#47
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AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
September 19 2018 20:43 GMT
#48
Rest in peace, hardstuck d5 inters
Que Sera Sera
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
September 19 2018 20:44 GMT
#49
hello hardstuck d4 inters :D
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4186 Posts
September 20 2018 08:37 GMT
#50
So grand master will be one tier with challenger like master was until now, or it will have 4 divisions too? What about just master ? will it move to 4 divisions format or stay 1?
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4186 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-20 08:41:08
September 20 2018 08:40 GMT
#51
On September 20 2018 02:40 Sent. wrote:
I never pay attention to my lp or division so I like this change, though I'd prefer more leagues on top instead of adding anything below bronze.

It should not matter where you put the new layers, except for aesthetics, if done right people will be distributed accordingly and proportionally among them. It matters what MMR and how Riot with assign it to them
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-20 11:01:00
September 20 2018 10:35 GMT
#52
I disagree and think it matters for 2 reasons:

1. Adding more layers on top means bronze I boys would get to feel better about themselves because that would most likely result in them getting promoted to silver. Not that I care, but Riot guys made it look like they want all players to feel better so it would make more sense instead of telling the impossibly bad baddies they're too bad to play in bronze.

2. The amount of effort necessary to climb from plart to diamond V or even from gold to plat is much greater than what you need to get out of bronze. Which is important because more leagues on top would lead to league badges being better skill indicators while adding more leagues on the bottom may not necessarily lead to the same result. I think it won't because I'm convinced (most) bronzies simply aren't interested in getting better, they just want to have fun with what looks the most cool in their eyes. In other words I think bronze I guy might be as good as his bronze IV friend if difference between them is just that the former likes garen and the latter likes vayne mid.
You're now breathing manually
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4186 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-20 13:15:43
September 20 2018 13:12 GMT
#53
On September 20 2018 19:35 Sent. wrote:
I disagree and think it matters for 2 reasons:

1. Adding more layers on top means bronze I boys would get to feel better about themselves because that would most likely result in them getting promoted to silver. Not that I care, but Riot guys made it look like they want all players to feel better so it would make more sense instead of telling the impossibly bad baddies they're too bad to play in bronze.

2. The amount of effort necessary to climb from plart to diamond V or even from gold to plat is much greater than what you need to get out of bronze. Which is important because more leagues on top would lead to league badges being better skill indicators while adding more leagues on the bottom may not necessarily lead to the same result. I think it won't because I'm convinced (most) bronzies simply aren't interested in getting better, they just want to have fun with what looks the most cool in their eyes. In other words I think bronze I guy might be as good as his bronze IV friend if difference between them is just that the former likes garen and the latter likes vayne mid.

Both of your examples are just aesthetic, but I feel lazy to explain. Will try to do it short, hopefully it will be comprehensible.

The MMR is the objectively important thing. A 1500mmr person who is lets say gold now, will stay 1500 with the new layers added, but he will move aesthetically down or up, he might become either silver or stay gold (in some cases he will stay gold or move up to plat) depending on which side you add a layer, however, he will always be on the 3rd (or 4th consecutive layer depending on the case), which will be silver if you add an iron layer or still gold when you add a emerald layer or whatever, something above the old gold. The example is not really precise, because, many people will move only within their tier (gold 1 to gold 3 for example) and not full tiers up or down, which is the whole point, but hopefully the example is clear enough to show my point

And you are right about how people will feel, however, I call this aesthetics.
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 20 2018 15:19 GMT
#54
The whole tier system is all aesthetic anyway. It was designed to put a layer between the MMR and the person playing so as to feel less bad. This was partially due to people not understanding how MMR works. People think an MMR of 1550 is better than 1520 but in reality they both within the same margin and are bound to swing up and down. The tiers of diamond,plat,gold etc. are just ways to name the MMR brackets so people feel less bad about swinging around.

Aesthetics are important. What a person feels is often more important that the actual information being conveyed.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 20 2018 15:21 GMT
#55
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General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
September 20 2018 16:23 GMT
#56
When I wanted to learn a new champion, I paid the Iron Price.

How badass does that sound.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 20 2018 16:26 GMT
#57
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Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
September 21 2018 00:17 GMT
#58
Iron sounds so much baller than all the other divisions I'm seriously considering dodging all my placements to get there and then dodge whenever needed to keep my LP down.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 21 2018 00:39 GMT
#59
I remember a while back there was like... a plat or diamon level Yi player that did that before skipping promos was a thing where he'd just tanky his promos and destorying his ranking. Of course, his MMR kept going up so you had a bronze 5 guy play at the MMR where he should have been and people were freaking out.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8939 Posts
September 21 2018 01:27 GMT
#60
i agree with jimmic.
the lowest tier should have been called wood. or plastic.
the toxicity would be hilarious
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