EPT[Patch 6.11] Meeeeee-ow! General Discussion - Page 14
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
the point of tryharding is schooling nerds on the other team your team was gonna do what they were gonna do anyway | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
I think he is pretty easy to be successful with, if you have any real game knowledge. He is real safe and he has wicked pick potential. I think his play pattern is hella boring though. If you jungler has 2v2 advantage and their mid has no waveclear you can bully them pretty hard. If you guys don't win the 2v2 you kind of just passively waveclear with EW because if you trade you are even squishier and more gankable than old malz. If they have good waveclear you need to just passively waveclear because if you trade with them at all you get shoved under tower and imo Malz as a champ is pretty bad at last-hitting under tower, not to mention stray minion auto's pop your passive. You have kill potential after 1 trade if your lane opponent is real bad or you have protobelt/flash. Otherwise you just get picks. You can get nitty-gritty on him as a champion, but I think that has a lot of potential for you to just get outplayed real hard. You lose literally every trade if you don't have passive up. You can hard bully a lot of people that don't understand his passive this way. Realistically if you trade twice its pretty even, but lots of people are bad and trade once and feel real sad they lost, and just don't trade again and slowly lose the lane. Realistically if you auto Malz early and often you can kick his teeth in levels 1 through 6, and he can't really 1-shot people anymore with his Ultimate. I think he is good, but i think he would be less good if people knew how to play against him. It takes much more game knowledge to abuse him than it does to succeed as him, and I think the ban wave actually makes him way stronger unlike most champs. I even think the lane becomes free as hell for any champ you want to pick as long as you That said, even if he isn't abusing people who don't know how to lane against him EDIT: Herp derp Cleanse and Crucible suck. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
o.o Weird. I guess Cleanse doesn't work either, but QSS does? wtf... That doesn't make sense but I guess that is the world we live in. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Remake: Now removes all stuns, slows, taunts, fears, snares, sleeps and immobilizers. No longer provides debuff immunity (but still removes debuffs when cast). Provides a 50% duration reduction to stuns, slows, taunts, fears, snares, sleeps and immobilizers for the next 3 seconds. Cooldown increased to 120 seconds from 100. Willpower (mastery): Cooldown reduction reduced to 20 seconds from 30. I was quite confident it did before... But there is no proof of what it did before besides "removes all crowd control effects." You could be right that it never did. I knew QSS did, just assumed the other two did. My bad. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On June 13 2016 19:06 Scip wrote: Oh please, not once has my resolve to tryhard in soloQ been broken Ok for most of us plebs it doesn't then  . I don't recall crucible ever removing things that it currently doesn't. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On June 14 2016 05:57 nafta wrote: Ok for most of us plebs it doesn't then . I don't recall crucible ever removing things that it currently doesn't. I think you're right on Crucible. I was talking out of ignorance. I've concluded it is impossible to win the game on spartan and get an S. The system weights CS so much, and if you going off on spartan you don't want to farm, you want to dive bottom. If a Panth has 15 kills and the game ends at 28 minutes, and he only has 160 farm its not because he sucks at farming, he made a conscious choice to go kill things and take objectives instead of farming them. He probably even donated 3 or 4 waves to an ADC or mid laner because he knew they need to carry him late game. LoL Client see thats shit and gives you a B+ or some shit. Wtf. Only way to actually get an S on Spartan is to pop off in lane, then stay in lane and not gank anywhere ever and lose the game with the guy you dicked on eventually carrying the other team to sweet sweet victory while you keep pace with 10 CS/minute. S+ BABY HELL YEAH! That is how you get mastery 7, you just got to farm all day and lose, apparently. 3 straight losses, 3 straight S's. Rank 7 boys! Dat Algorithm promoting trash gameplay. 4/1/3 with 10 cs/minute is apparently better than going off and hard carrying. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On June 14 2016 06:36 iCanada wrote: I think you're right on Crucible. I was talking out of ignorance. I've concluded it is impossible to win the game on spartan and get an S. The system weights CS so much, and if you going off on spartan you don't want to farm, you want to dive bottom. If a Panth has 15 kills and the game ends at 28 minutes, and he only has 160 farm its not because he sucks at farming, he made a conscious choice to go kill things and take objectives instead of farming them. He probably even donated 3 or 4 waves to an ADC or mid laner because he knew they need to carry him late game. LoL Client see thats shit and gives you a B+ or some shit. Wtf. Only way to actually get an S on Spartan is to pop off in lane, then stay in lane and not gank anywhere ever and lose the game with the guy you dicked on eventually carrying the other team to sweet sweet victory while you keep pace with 10 CS/minute. S+ BABY HELL YEAH! That is how you get mastery 7, you just got to farm all day and lose, apparently. 3 straight losses, 3 straight S's. Rank 7 boys! Dat Algorithm promoting trash gameplay. 4/1/3 with 10 cs/minute is apparently better than going off and hard carrying. Yeah, it doesn't seem to be very good at correlating carrying the game with mastery. I know somebody who absolutely dominated on panth, with 10-15 kills in 25 minute games, and like 70 CS. There is no doubt that he's winning the game because his not farming = everybody on enemy team not farming, but he gets shit scores because his CS is bronze level. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
feelsbadman. | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
I go 12/18/0, mpen/scaling hp/ap/ms, dorans 2pot, QEW Q>E>W>R, and usually take TP but exhaust, barrier, heal, ignite depending on the matchup all feel good tbh. I actually think I missed out on some solo kills lvl 4/5 because I did not have ignite. But I have been able to make a lot of plays with TP. I get 1 point in R at 6, but don't touch it against until all my other skills are maxed. Doesn't feel like any real reason to max ult at all tbh. I usually go double dorans -> rylais rush. Morellos is usually my second item. If I am against very AP heavy or a zed/yasuo I will grab abysall/zhona second (sometimes first if I am really getting my shit kicked in). Luden's usually my next buy and then I finish it off with a liandries/deathcap/void. Early game I push hard with Q. You can clear caster minions lvl 1 with 1 Q, or melees with an AA + Q. I even outpushed a ziggs. Her waveclear with Q is pretty ridiculous. Then lvl 3/4 I usually go for an EWQ combo. It's at this point I am usually low on mana, but the other mid is usually at 30 or 40% hp while I am practically full. Don't go RoA or GLP on taliyah, it's a fucking trap. You don't need more mana than double dring + morellos. As soon as you get rylais you can get so many picks. If you find someone and hit them with a Q it's a guaranteed engage/flash/summoner burned. I almost ALWAYS go swifty boots, despite the nerf. While she can zoom zoom around the map, her in combat movespeed is soooo slow. That's why I like the MS quints. MS quints + swifties + rylais + ludens and nobody can outrun you. The EWQ combo on a squishy can 1 shot, it's a surprising amount of damage. I have had trouble against people who can jump on you, like kat or ekko. I push them early, but then eventually they can just get right in your face with a blink and it's tough to deal with them. I am bad though, because I think if someone like kat or ekko jumps you, you can E, drop W on yourself and backup with Q. What usually happens is I try and make a play with W, miss, and then they jump me. You really have to be patient with your W with champs that can jump right to you. W is really cool though. I have thrown people over the dragon/baron pit, you can stop amumu from completing his bandage toss (which means you can probably stop lee mid q and leona, etc. I wonder if you can stop Ali W?) The wall is really really fucking good. I have saved a number of towers/secured a couple barons and dragons just from the wall. Not to mention if you flank a teamfight you can be down in gold as a team, but split the fight into 2 or 3 v 5 and turn the game around. You can roam really well during the laning phase by pushing the minion wave with a QE, then surf down to bot lane. All in all, super fun champ, and I think really strong. She needs a frontline though. But I never feel useless. Pre rylais you still do TON of damage, and after rylais with Q spam if you hit them, enemies never get away without blowing sums. The wall is wonky sometimes though. I forget which way I am facing, or I think I am facing one way, and I end up riding the wall in the exact OPPOSITE direction from the team./fight and I get a lot of ??? spam LOL. | ||
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MuddyJam
535 Posts
Like wits end has been buffed heavily which I thought was only good for teemo but just checked op.gg and nashors wits Kayle has like a 70% in plat+ in Korea which is crazy. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On June 14 2016 09:30 Amui wrote: Yeah, it doesn't seem to be very good at correlating carrying the game with mastery. I know somebody who absolutely dominated on panth, with 10-15 kills in 25 minute games, and like 70 CS. There is no doubt that he's winning the game because his not farming = everybody on enemy team not farming, but he gets shit scores because his CS is bronze level. Dirty assassin players that takes over the game by farming champions often spills over on supports getting low rating too because they kill everyone before you can get assists. On June 14 2016 22:44 MuddyJam wrote: Why are people not spamming Kayle games? Like wits end has been buffed heavily which I thought was only good for teemo but just checked op.gg and nashors wits Kayle has like a 70% in plat+ in Korea which is crazy. Because she's not being played in the NA/EU LCS. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On June 14 2016 23:04 Gahlo wrote: Thank fucking god. Kayle is one of the most cancer things I've ever had to lane against. Let me guess, you've forgotten about both pre-works Nidalee who got a million resists in cougar form and Janna who could full wave clear from level 5. Completely unrelated, when do you use whom instead of who? | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On June 14 2016 23:44 Jek wrote: Let me guess, you've forgotten about both pre-works Nidalee who got a million resists in cougar form and Janna who could full wave clear from level 5. Completely unrelated, when do you use whom instead of who? Someone can correct me, but I think when you would use him/her vs he/she. | ||
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