EPT[Patch 6.5] Less Naut-y Things General Discussion - Page 12
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
On March 23 2016 04:28 nafta wrote: Really? Maybe I give people too much credit thinking it is something completely brainless and simple but maybe not for everyone. i've seen botlanes drop to like 1/4th health trying to kill the gromp/golem camp and giving up 1st blood when they walk into lane | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
they only got rid of 1 auto reset, not all. still sucks, but she got a lvl 1 buff to her pounce dmg. if you see any good nid clear utilizing w start, you'll see that a large amount of the damage comes from pounces. +15 dmg aoe every pounce is huge. we'll have to see if it's enough dmg to even up lack of root + one auto reset being gone but I'm thinking it'll be ok. refillable start might be difficult now tho, we'll see. if anything this will kill the bad nids for sure. not because of the aa reset because i'm sure they didnt utilize it well anyways, but the root and bad use of pounce for clear. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I used to burn maybe a pot while taking a camp (not sure if I remember, and I'd be full HP after it) as the support, tanking a bit for my ad to take less damage, as Braum. If I didn't prompt people they'd never do the camps though, that was at Gold I - Plat V last season, no idea how it is now. I had the idea of not touching ranked till soloQ, and since Riot conveniently forgot all about that promise... | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
It does nerf her damage in ganks though. The root shit doesn't matter since you oneshot camps. It is a really stupid change though. They remove root which forces you to clear well and not faceroll making her require more skill but they remove an auto reset. Just doesn't really make sense to me. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
So many options for failure in leagues where winning is more about not failing. | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
1. Don't say GG when it clearly wasn't. A stomp doesn't deserve a GG. 2. I find it to be bad manner GG's. Coming from SC, saying GG first was considered to be bad manner. I only say GG when it was an actual good game and only if the other team says it. /EndRant | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
On March 23 2016 05:43 nafta wrote: Well I got a smurf from g1 and played with people up to ~d4 and I did not see anyone try to do a camp once in 45 or so games and I played ~15 games on another acc that was in the d5-3 range. Take it as you will. It does nerf her damage in ganks though. The root shit doesn't matter since you oneshot camps. It is a really stupid change though. They remove root which forces you to clear well and not faceroll making her require more skill but they remove an auto reset. Just doesn't really make sense to me. yeah it's awkward, since they take out something most noobs don't use anyways (pounce auto reset) but buff something most noobs don't use well either (pounce). it's like.. what did that achieve? I mean I guess you do lose an auto in worst case scenario for ganks, but you usually don't use the pounce auto reset in ganks anyways. probably only when you're in those 1v1 scenarios and the guy fights back since otherwise you won't be able to be able to auto then in melee form pre-pounce. not a big deal really. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 23 2016 05:51 Disengaged wrote: When the other team says gg first, annoys the shit out of me. 1. Don't say GG when it clearly wasn't. A stomp doesn't deserve a GG. 2. I find it to be bad manner GG's. Coming from SC, saying GG first was considered to be bad manner. I only say GG when it was an actual good game and only if the other team says it. /EndRant I always gg, well ggwp, but only when I'm on the Nexus and it's clear that it's going down. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On March 23 2016 05:53 dsyxelic wrote: yeah it's awkward, since they take out something most noobs don't use anyways (pounce auto reset) but buff something most noobs don't use well either (pounce). it's like.. what did that achieve? I mean I guess you do lose an auto in worst case scenario for ganks, but you usually don't use the pounce auto reset in ganks anyways. probably only when you're in those 1v1 scenarios and the guy fights back since otherwise you won't be able to be able to auto then in melee form pre-pounce. not a big deal really. That auto with red buff while jumping instead of after is a pretty big deal imo | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
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kongoline
6318 Posts
first patch in a while with which i mostly agree | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
On March 23 2016 06:09 nafta wrote: That auto with red buff while jumping instead of after is a pretty big deal imo wait what do you mean? not sure if you're describing A) auto with red buff in human form then changing to cougar form right away B) melee form auto, pounce, auto again (cause of reset) cause B is what is not possible anymore and near useless unless you're already in melee range. you can still do auto (with redbuff) pounce but you won't have the auto timer reset after your pounce. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On March 23 2016 07:18 dsyxelic wrote: wait what do you mean? not sure if you're describing A) auto with red buff in human form then changing to cougar form right away B) melee form auto, pounce, auto again (cause of reset) cause B is what is not possible anymore and near useless unless you're already in melee range. you can still do auto (with redbuff) pounce but you won't have the auto timer reset after your pounce. Well b matters a lot in no boots vs no boots situation when you are pushing and she gets on you. I read that they removed her form switch reset as well or is that false? | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On March 23 2016 04:17 nafta wrote: Also still no fix for bot taking a camp. I guess everyone below d3 not having the mental capacity to understand why you take it is a good enough reason. But like, they didn't even change the way you have to take the golems. It's still the same as in S3-S5 right? Or are there some secret strats I don't know about. It's still ADC tanking 2, support tanking rest with a potion while kiting throughout. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On March 23 2016 07:45 Fildun wrote: But like, they didn't even change the way you have to take the golems. It's still the same as in S3-S5 right? Or are there some secret strats I don't know about. It's still ADC tanking 2, support tanking rest with a potion while kiting throughout. Basically adc tanks 3(feast+vampirism op) hits supports tanks rest with some basic kiting towards the lane. It is worth to take more damage if it means you don't lose any creeps. You also should always always try to spread out your damage properly. By that I mean you shouldn't focus the small first if you have aoe rather just tank it and let it die to it. The most important part is getting to lane first and getting the xp. The absolutely best situation would obviously be for the lane to be pushing towards you so you can just freeze it and instant win the lane unless you are pure bonobos. On the potions most relic shield supports can get away with not drinking a potion. Also getting golems while the other duo doesn't isn't a straight up autowin in some matchups but in a lot of them it gives you so much pressure that it completely turns the game. Keep in mind it changes where junglers end up so it can fuck you even more. That titanic change is worse for shyvana compared to live. She kills the small creeps without autoing them anyway so losing ad is actually a nerf. Also the q nerf. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
Although, to be fair, the jungler starts botside in 90% of my games so it's not really an option most of the time. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 23 2016 07:53 nafta wrote: Basically adc tanks 3 hits supports tanks rest with some basic kiting towards the lane. It is worth to take more damage if it means you don't lose any creeps. You also should always always try to spread out your damage properly. By that I mean you shouldn't focus the small first if you have aoe rather just tank it and let it die to it. The most important part is getting to lane first and getting the xp. The absolutely best situation would obviously be for the lane to be pushing towards you so you can just freeze it and instant win the lane unless you are pure bonobos. Also getting golems while the other duo doesn't isn't a straight up autowin in some matchups but in a lot of them it gives you so much pressure that it completely turns the game. Keep in mind it changes where junglers end up so it can fuck you even more. That titanic change is worse for shyvana compared to live. She kills the small creeps without autoing them anyway so losing ad is actually a nerf. Also the q nerf. Yeah, it's a nerf, but I don't think it'll be huge and she'll get benefits from other things changing. | ||
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