like who ? im sure he can go even vs pretty much anyone even cancers like quinn which hes stomping in lcs right now, not that he needs to be even in lane to stay relevant anyway

I'm saying he is the only one that can stay in lane against Fiora or Quinn. And seriously, its not very surprising that he gets picked with the heavy AD and minimal frontline comps that are FOTM. What I was asking is can ZAC lane against them? Amumu? Sejuani? He's getting picked because there is a niche that is needed, and he is the only viable candidate.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

February 17 2016 19:02 GMT

#283

None of those champs scale insanely off armor though/gut attack speed. The closest thing to it is amumu's tantrum dropping in CD from AAs but its not really remotely the same.

Zac CAN lane against those champs but him being able to gank out of common ward placements is his niche as a engager so hes better off in the jungle. Other 2 are simply trash tier

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

February 17 2016 19:25 GMT

#284

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cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

February 17 2016 19:29 GMT

#285

That was kind of my point, that there is no suitable replacement for him in that niche right now. I don't think he's a problem, and actually can't remember a time he was. Maybe that DFG mid phase?

ticklishmusic

United States15977 Posts

February 17 2016 19:30 GMT

#286

breaking news: armor is good against ad

just being facetious

nafta

Bulgaria18893 Posts

February 17 2016 19:33 GMT

#287

Well the w buff that makes him do physical dmg on autos+frozen fist+corrupting potion+new masteries have helped a lot with his lack of damage department.

Before his w was kinda useless compared to this new one.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

February 17 2016 19:33 GMT

#288

which also shows why corki is pick/ban. Hmm adcs are good. but armor is countering us. Ok lets take this guy mid that does half/half of both damage with AA's and everything else does magic damage! Oh and he autowins a teamfight every 4 minutes (i forget the cd)

ticklishmusic

United States15977 Posts

February 17 2016 19:35 GMT

#289

On February 18 2016 04:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
which also shows why corki is pick/ban. Hmm adcs are good. but armor is countering us. Ok lets take this guy mid that does half/half of both damage with AA's and everything else does magic damage! Oh and he autowins a teamfight every 4 minutes (i forget the cd)

also another reason ez is pretty bueno

8 minutes then every 5

for one i know a concrete lol fact about numbers, thanks lcs!

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

February 17 2016 21:06 GMT

#290

holy shit, this looks silly as fuck.

ticklishmusic

United States15977 Posts

February 17 2016 21:07 GMT

#291

duskblade: makes people who deal a lot of damage do even more damage

IamPryda

United States1186 Posts

February 17 2016 21:19 GMT

#292

Nerfing malphite just so that all the heavy ad cancer in this game can continue to dominate lane is the wrong way to look at things. Buffing other ap
Top laners that can Bully malp like lissandra does will help top lane by bringing in more diversity (riot tm*)

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

February 17 2016 21:27 GMT

#293

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kongoline

6318 Posts

February 17 2016 21:46 GMT

#294

i think the problem is adc have access to broken itemization with huge amounts of free crit while every armor item got gutted, bruisers are in bad spot now because 1-2dmg items means u have not enough slots for armor nor dmg to burst sterak adc, that created situation where its better to go full yolo and build dmg over armor. Now u see champs like irelia,jax build 3-4 dmg items because u might as well try to one shot carries instead of trying to tank 2-3s more before dying. Pure tanks are ok early-mid game but late game they fall off the face of the earth and melt unless ur name is malph or rammus (who also die much faster compared to previous seasons), adc power spike too early and scale way too good riot tried fix it by buffing assassins but that didnt help because champs like lulu/janna/zilean etc exist, unless they change something we will keep seeing 4-6 adc per game

PrinceXizor

United States17713 Posts

February 17 2016 22:14 GMT

#295

The problem with duskblade is its not a specialty item. it's an AD item with a bonus. Meaning it's just going to be bought on anyone who wants AD and Arpen. rather than those who want to use it to blow people up with the actipassive. It needed to be weighted more heavily on the actipassive and less on the stats. 15-20 Arpen 25-30 AD and a 25% missing HP burst every 60 seconds, with a kill from the pop only resetting it, and increasing the damage to 35% missing HP for the next activation, would be a better item for assassins than a generic item whose main use is oh another AD item, and it gives flat arpen.

The game just rewards safety right now, and punishes risk taking. so of course people are going to play ranged characters who can escape easily, and other champions that minimize risk. The reward from getting a kill is from the enemy dying, instead of the reward for the kill, which means its just about not dying, not killing.

ticklishmusic

United States15977 Posts

February 17 2016 22:29 GMT

#296

giving it really crappy gold/slot efficiency based on stats would be the way to go, yeah

its also kind of ridiculous as a snowball item for AD assassins/ casters. like, at least with sword of the occult you had some risk and a ramp up period.

PrinceXizor

United States17713 Posts

February 17 2016 22:36 GMT

#297

On February 18 2016 07:29 ticklishmusic wrote:
giving it really crappy gold/slot efficiency based on stats would be the way to go, yeah

its also kind of ridiculous as a snowball item for AD assassins/ casters. like, at least with sword of the occult you had some risk and a ramp up period.

i think it's important for league to continue to separate gold and slot efficiency, after all the proposed item is very slot efficient, it's a high Arpen item, thats going to be slot efficient period, however having the low AD attached and a higher cost to pay for the execute means that the item is going to be expensive for the stat value

Also they again err'd on the side of safety with the reset. giving a reset if you don't use the damage from the duskblade, instead of giving the reset for optimal use of the duskblade. Making the item less about proper use (assassinating) and more about just being a straight increase in damage to whoever uses it. ADCs are far more likely to need the reset from poor use than assassins. If an assassin can kill someone in 2 seconds without the execute, then they aren't going to need it reset. but if they kill someone barely with it, thats when they would need the reset.

Even just that one change, without the cost/slot separation of lowering the AD and increasing the Arpen, would tip the balance more toward assassin and less toward safe damage boost.

the fear of risk or purely skill-based divisions in results for league has really been imprinting on league this season.

kongoline

6318 Posts

February 17 2016 22:49 GMT

#298

any ETA when we start seeing bans in match history or op.gg again ? it annoys me i cant see them

Alaric

France45622 Posts

February 17 2016 23:06 GMT

#299

You're all talking about Duskblade, but in the linked video it doesn't do much, Qtpie doesn't even have it for most of it. It's the additional ArPen, and he'd be at around 50 without the dirk anyway, and you could already buy a dirk withtout completing duskblade.

What keeps him alive is the MoM's MR shield combined with the lifesteal on mages melee-ing him for true damage ~1.35 AD autos to the face (I'm not sure he had crit at that point?).
There's the oneshot on Cait, but that's Q+auto+decree bursting her, not duskblade.

He had an hilarious game where he forgot to switch masteries and had 21 in defense, with strength of the ages.
Legendary Guardian + Strength of the Ages + the fact that he itemised tanky (he went Ghostblade, MoM, Gauntlet, can't remember his BF item, swifties) let him survive the initial burst and stay alive throughout the entire fight. Facetank stuff, still deal good damage, and once MoM's passive is activated and Nidalee heals him to make sure he doesn't die immediatly, he gets another stack of True Grit off and you've got a ~200 armour/MR Graves with 10%+ lifesteal hitting you.

kongoline

6318 Posts

February 18 2016 00:33 GMT

#300

watching romanium play full ad renekton in challanger and solo carry games 1 shotting adcs makes me think ad renek is super underrated, he is basically assassin with better laning phase (enought to be played top), point and click stun and insane burst

/e anyone interested his stream http://www.twitch.tv/romanium33 imo he deserves more viewers (his music taste sucks tho ;p)