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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 22 2016 00:19 GMT
#721
Gonna steal this from Reddit...

We now live in a world where Saint and Crumbzz are coaches on a team and their jungler is Diamondprox.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 22 2016 00:27 GMT
#722
Imagine if it was any other way around.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-22 02:21:24
May 22 2016 02:18 GMT
#723
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=envyprocxin

Procxin decided to ruin envyus' surprise and added the envy tag to his account
Glorious SEA doto
MuddyJam
Profile Joined September 2014
535 Posts
May 22 2016 02:28 GMT
#724
On May 22 2016 09:19 Gahlo wrote:
Gonna steal this from Reddit...

We now live in a world where Saint and Crumbzz are coaches on a team and their jungler is Diamondprox.


To be fair in normal sports it's not that rare for a ex-player to coach better players. If something very jungle specific came up you can defer to saint and have the 3 theory craft it out.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
May 22 2016 02:50 GMT
#725
On May 22 2016 11:18 Fusilero wrote:
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=envyprocxin

Procxin decided to ruin envyus' surprise and added the envy tag to his account


If I were a betting man I'd say their ADC is Korean or at least speaks it. Would make a lot of sense to have 4 Koreans for communication reasons.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 22 2016 04:14 GMT
#726
On May 22 2016 11:28 MuddyJam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2016 09:19 Gahlo wrote:
Gonna steal this from Reddit...

We now live in a world where Saint and Crumbzz are coaches on a team and their jungler is Diamondprox.


To be fair in normal sports it's not that rare for a ex-player to coach better players. If something very jungle specific came up you can defer to saint and have the 3 theory craft it out.

True, but it's rare that a player that used to be one of the best in the world at his position and spoke mad trash about other people at his position and then becomes coached by them.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
May 22 2016 11:58 GMT
#727
On May 22 2016 11:50 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2016 11:18 Fusilero wrote:
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=envyprocxin

Procxin decided to ruin envyus' surprise and added the envy tag to his account


If I were a betting man I'd say their ADC is Korean or at least speaks it. Would make a lot of sense to have 4 Koreans for communication reasons.


They can't go for an actual Korean, because both Procxin and Ninja ain't foreigners.
So you'd imagine that ADC should be someone like LOD, simply because of the NATIVE TALENT.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
EsanLOL
Profile Joined January 2015
479 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-23 03:20:12
May 23 2016 03:17 GMT
#728
Well, basically confirms Procxin: https://twitter.com/envy_Procxin

A bit underwhelming, I was hoping they could grab Flawless or T0M or something. Better than Crumbz at least.
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
May 23 2016 10:07 GMT
#729
he manhandled the relegation tourney bo5 tbh, even if he was underwhelming through the season he might have adjusted by now
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
May 23 2016 15:53 GMT
#730
Envy gets all the Koreans.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 23 2016 17:06 GMT
#731
https://pvplive.net/c/espn-and-riot-games-talks-broadcast-LCS-500-millio

Well then, that's new
Glorious SEA doto
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
May 23 2016 17:46 GMT
#732
There is no way that just TV rights are worth that much.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
May 23 2016 17:52 GMT
#733
Why not.
TV rights for BPL are 8 billions worthy.

Given that Premier League is lightyears ahead of LCS, but still.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 23 2016 17:58 GMT
#734
On May 24 2016 02:46 Ansibled wrote:
There is no way that just TV rights are worth that much.

Depends on how long the contract is for, if it's one LCS or both, and if it includes other league or not.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-23 18:01:36
May 23 2016 18:01 GMT
#735
On May 24 2016 02:52 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Why not.
TV rights for BPL are 8 billions worthy.

Given that Premier League is lightyears ahead of LCS, but still.

because it's not going to win against Twitch or YouTube.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 23 2016 18:02 GMT
#736
On May 24 2016 03:01 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 02:52 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Why not.
TV rights for BPL are 8 billions worthy.

Given that Premier League is lightyears ahead of LCS, but still.

because it's not going to win against Twitch or YouTube.

Twitch and Youtube don't have TV stations.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
May 23 2016 18:02 GMT
#737
On May 24 2016 03:02 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 03:01 Ansibled wrote:
On May 24 2016 02:52 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Why not.
TV rights for BPL are 8 billions worthy.

Given that Premier League is lightyears ahead of LCS, but still.

because it's not going to win against Twitch or YouTube.

Twitch and Youtube don't have TV stations.

Good observation.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
Saradin
Profile Joined January 2015
456 Posts
May 23 2016 18:04 GMT
#738
Hmm, can't load the page; does say over how many years the deal is?

As gung ho as I am about esports' growth in real world money is, that's only part of this story. A very important thing to remember about ESPN's deals like these is their desperation to retain cable subscribers.
In general, we should already kind of know how badly networks hate the cord cutting trend, given the absurd amounts of money thrown at any form of live competition. As the theory goes, sports/competition is the last thing remaining in this world that people still strongly prefer to see as scheduled, as opposed to later on demand and with ads skipped. This is very likely a bubble that will eventually pop and have huge ramifications on both networks and traditional sports leagues in the US that are already using this influx of cash, but that's another discussion.
This applies extraordinarily moreso to ESPN, given how their business model works. They rely heavily on cable subscribers. I don't know how it works outside of the US, but here, our cable TV bill is largely a composition of a bunch of different fees going to each network. IIRC, most of these fees are about a dollar or less, but ESPN stands out at ~$6.61 per month per cable subscriber as of last year. That's a little over 79 bucks from you over the course of a year, if you have a cable tv subscription whose package includes ESPN. It's estimated that there were 92 million such homes last year, for an estimated revenue of 7.28 billion off of just subscriber fees for ESPN. And it's probably over 60% of their total revenue (it was over 60% in 2014).

To me, it's continuation of what's basically a desperation bid by ESPN to try anything to slow down cord cutting. It's a compliment in the sense of, they think that esports is a growing destination for eyeballs worth taking a bet on. Would it be a successful wager? I dunno... The current base of esports followers primarily already watch via the internet, and it's predominantly a generation already prone to cord cutting. So it's a question of catching on with the outsiders who are the sort to probably keep a cable subscription. If the deal's long enough such that the per year hit isn't all that much relative to their current expenses (multi-billion per year for some other leagues...), I suppose that the influence it would need to have on retention wouldn't need to be that great for it to break even.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 23 2016 18:07 GMT
#739
If ESPN gets live rights, I would suspect our Free VODs would become scarce.
Freeeeeeedom
suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
May 23 2016 19:33 GMT
#740
On May 22 2016 20:58 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2016 11:50 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 22 2016 11:18 Fusilero wrote:
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=envyprocxin

Procxin decided to ruin envyus' surprise and added the envy tag to his account


If I were a betting man I'd say their ADC is Korean or at least speaks it. Would make a lot of sense to have 4 Koreans for communication reasons.


They can't go for an actual Korean, because both Procxin and Ninja ain't foreigners.
So you'd imagine that ADC should be someone like LOD, simply because of the NATIVE TALENT.


you was right

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