EPTIt's basically a level 8 Olaf with an unstacked Devourer and boots trying to gank a level 12 Nasus with Frozen Heart and a Sheen.
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
It's basically a level 8 Olaf with an unstacked Devourer and boots trying to gank a level 12 Nasus with Frozen Heart and a Sheen. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On December 05 2015 09:09 GrandInquisitor wrote: Hehehehehe...one jungler that tried to gank me found that out the hard way. does nasus ult cancel her E or is that just timing of when the video starts? also lol @ devour on olaf wtf | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 05 2015 09:28 Caiada wrote: That sure is a loose definition right there, chief. Indeed. It has to be because bad design is, in League, a much larger subset of possible design choices because of Riot's philosophy on pick/ban, powercurves, etc. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On December 05 2015 10:16 cLutZ wrote: Indeed. It has to be because bad design is, in League, a much larger subset of possible design choices because of Riot's philosophy on pick/ban, powercurves, etc. So any champion that's weak against specific team comps is bad design now? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On December 05 2015 09:42 Slusher wrote: does nasus ult cancel her E or is that just timing of when the video starts? also lol @ devour on olaf wtf also lol at olaf flashing right before death | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On December 05 2015 10:16 cLutZ wrote: Indeed. It has to be because bad design is, in League, a much larger subset of possible design choices because of Riot's philosophy on pick/ban, powercurves, etc. As much as I think Riot caters to casuals/CertainlyT too hard at the detriment of the competitiveness and stability (longevity?) of their game, your statement here is like wei2coolman levels of shitposting of picking cliche things to be anti-riot on and just stringing them together without a coherent argument. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 05 2015 12:19 Zess wrote: As much as I think Riot caters to casuals/CertainlyT too hard at the detriment of the competitiveness and stability (longevity?) of their game, your statement here is like wei2coolman levels of shitposting of picking cliche things to be anti-riot on and just stringing them together without a coherent argument. I respectfully disagree. If a champion is rubbish when countered by a teamcomp, but amazing when the enemy teamcomp feeds into its strengths that simply does not work in competitive when bans are frontloaded(which is all I ever comment on with respect to bad design), it doesn't work in our current iterations. Typically, either its good enough to be pickable into even counteing teamcomps (Worlds Morde) or it ends up being relegated to nothingness for a long time (Udyr). Theoretically its possible for a champion like this to be a last pick, teamwide counterpick, like S4 Ziggs vs. 4 melle, S5 Worlds Tahm Kench (before people realized) vs. pick comps, Kayle at various times, etc, but that is rare because League, by design, is balanced on the edge of a blade. Even in that case, its not really great for the game, because a lastpick can make the entire game frustrating for viewers and players. That this is so rare has historically been one of Riot's strong points, because they typically just nerf these champions into oblivion, such as most of the recently reworked juggernaughts. They basically changed baron to fix one of these issues (the Ziggs issue), they have changed towers over and over to try and address another, similar, issue of earlygame fastpush. IMO this is one of Riot's best balance areas, in that they rarely design champions that are counters to a specific teamcomp, because it is mostly incompatible with their design choices overall. My issues with their design choices revolve more around manaless champions (powercurve issues) and the jungle (who can be viable in it). Edit: That said, IMO it is difficult to design a unique champion for league right now because: A) Powercurve limitations; B) Generally enforced lane distributions (2-1-1-1); C) Pick/Ban; and D) What I said above. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On December 05 2015 17:19 cLutZ wrote: IMO this is one of Riot's best balance areas, in that they rarely design champions that are counters to a specific teamcomp, because it is mostly incompatible with their design choices overall. My issues with their design choices revolve more around manaless champions (powercurve issues) and the jungle (who can be viable in it). they just released tahm and kindred both are like a big fuck you to assassins and super unfun to play against, if anything riot got a lot worse with designing new champions, add to it fuckups like morde, fiora, darius and adding bullshit %true dmg to everything even tho they said in the past its bad design makes me convinced they dont know what they are doing | ||
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padfoota
Taiwan1571 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On December 06 2015 00:09 JimmiC wrote: unfun to play against is a opinion not a fact. So often do people here state opinions as facts. I think TK is hilarious. Kindred is meh but I think some people like the idea of a adc out of the jungle. Not every champ is going to be a homerun to everyone but making blanket negative statements based on your outlook is pointless. Them being specialised champs is also a fact. If you honestly think that riot haven't been making specialised champs lol. The only problem comes from those champs being incredibly overtuned like kalista or azir so people think they are generalist champs. Most tanks make running 3/4 melee comps garbage anyway it isn't like it is a new concept. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On December 05 2015 23:49 padfoota wrote: Just tried Devourers -> BotRK Kindred jungle instead of Warrior->Ghostblade. Actually quite nice. Yeah, if you can get away with it it feels great. Hell, 60% of the time it feels unstpoppable. Then you'll get that one game where you have that one lane that is just getting cleaved and the enemy lee sin kills the other two on spawn, and you lose control of your jungle at like 7 stacks, and you are just completely useless. I only build Devourers on Junglers with tempo (Like Shyv), or if like the other Jungler has no gank pressure. Too risky otherwise, you just lose too many games without having a chance to impact it. Kind of like playing Kogmaw right now, actually. Like game gets to 30 minutes, sweet; Otherwise you just lose. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On December 06 2015 06:45 MooMooMugi wrote: Was it Sufficiency who made the 0RP algorithm? I forgot who but it was someone on LL https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3vk7js/i_dont_know_if_reddit_is_aware_but_there_is_a_0/ Yeah. The site even has his handle on it. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
On December 06 2015 03:07 ticklishmusic wrote: I've played Devourers + Strength of Ages on Xin and Jax a bit and feels really good. Used to be I would feel squishy if I tried to get sheen early after, but the hp really makes life a lot easier. i go Devourer + SoA on Fizz as well, that 300hp really opens up your 2nd item purchasing options. | ||
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Maluk
France987 Posts
Having one Kindred on the rift is fine ; now if I imagine ten kindreds, with each one marking one camp on the map, the minimap becomes kind of a mess. If I imagine ten Illaois battling 5v5 with all ults activated it's obvious that no one's ever going to understand what is actually going on. On the other hand of the spectrum, take 10 Luxes, the game will still be clearly readable ; same for Udyr. LoL is already overly complicated because of the mere existence of a great number of champions. Creating, on top of that, champions that are complicated themselves, is a bit much. I'm also worried when I read 2 page long descriptions for the new champions ; I wish abilities could be described in a couple of short sentences. Maybe I'm just too retarded to enjoy complicated things though. | ||
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