[Patch 5.4] Wubwubwub General Discussion - Page 48

On March 09 2015 01:40 iCanada wrote:
Why doesn't Draven see more play? I get competitively the axes really hinder him, but at every level lower than that he is ridiculous imo. Great in lane, incredible scaling, self peel... We are talking a hyper carry that is good early game too.

No other AD carry has scaling near dravens; 185% AD steroid, 60% MS steroid (with unit collision removal), 40% AS Steroid... thats ridiculous. Jinx is considered one of the best scaling AD's in the game... in comparison she has +10% AD and 65% AS scaling if you juggle Q right. Thats not even close.

People also for some reason think he needs to win lane, but like.. he doesn't at all. Adoration makes him an incredibly safe laner. You can be 0-0-0 in the most boring farm fest in the world, get 1 kill, and suddenyl you have the most gold in the game by like 1k. Adoration gets you 50 gold + 2*stacks. You basically get 1 stack per minion kill, 1 stack per axe catch... so effectively you get 2 stacks per CS and probably another 30 per 10min easily just based on autoing the wave and trading in lane. Say you are 0-0-0 in 15 minutes, have 120 CS cuz you're bad and missed nearly 60 creeps. You have 300 adoration. You get 1 kill in a dragon fight and you get 50+2*300=650 gold plus the 150 to 500 kill gold. Thats huuuge. You could get a gank and go 1 for 3 in bottom and come out ahead in the trade by 200 gold. Thats ridiculous. Especially considering he is a huge lane bully in the first place. He can have an absolutely terrible Support and no lane dominance at all, and come out in mid game as the most fed champion in the game. As an ADC thats amazing.

That, and he just does some freaking burst. R does 904 damage per hit @ 6 items (assuming you have BV or QSS), E does 330, Your Q is adding nearly 300 damage on hit. Even if you dont crit and cannot land axes, you start a fight at level 18 with 2*904(r)+330(e)+298(q-on-hit)+290(auto)=2730 dmg without your auto criting. Your Auto crits and that is 2436+725=3161. Add in Static Shiv and thats 2830 to 3411 damage within 1/2 a second. EVen assuming a tank has 300 armor or something ridiculous like that, you pop him in basically 2 auto attacks. To compare, Graves has 344(q)+260(e)+702(r)+287(auto)=1593 with the same item load out. With Crit and Static shiv he is at only 2275 damage.

You basically bust a tank with mobility before they can reach you, while your R does wicked splash damage, and you still have a ridiculous full uptime attackspeed steroid, MS steroid even if you dont have any axes. Thats really friggen good. If you can catch your axes, each auto is doing in the neighbourhood of 290base+298q+(435crit?)= 588 to 1023.

Front loaded burst Bigger than Graves by nearly 50%, self peel, and Jinx level sustained auto attack DPS? Yes pls. Absolutely worst case scenario, you are Graves with 1.5x the burst and an extra 25 range 60% MS and 40% AS, best case scenario, you are Jinx with all your burst being front loaded.

On March 09 2015 02:06 JonGalt wrote:
Ok thanks guys! I



I have played akali. I almost always lose lane and get carried, or lose lane and lose game. I just lose on akali haha. But I want to be good on her. Someone else I will have to give a shot though.

On March 09 2015 02:11 wei2coolman wrote:

do you even lpl? krystal's draven is godly (mostly because his team is willing to be bitch ass supports for him)

Akali is all about losing in CS, but staying even in XP without feeding kills til level 6.

then you teleport into first dragon fight, and get quadra kill, and proceed to carry your shit team.

On March 09 2015 01:46 iCanada wrote:


He doesn't need to be strong in lane. Farm dem adoration and get 1 kill. BAM you hard won your lane.

Jinx is also a top level pick with no Dash and lane mediocrity as well, but her burst is backloaded. you can't say needing a consistent dedicated peeler means a champ is bad.

On March 09 2015 02:07 oneofthem wrote:
what's with korean corki and ezraels building botrk as the 2nd item recently.

On March 09 2015 02:21 Alaric wrote:
Draven has 85% AD scaling on his autos. Corki got a decent late game nerf when they changed his passive to work with his total AD and not the damage from his autos so he wouldn't get true damage scaling off IE.

Draven needs to juggle his axes to keep that damage too, once he's got enough AS it can be tricky. It also makes it harder to juke. You get oom relatively fast if you want to keep that AS steroid going because it's super short and you have to refresh it all the time.
Finally, Jinx has either up to 185% AS steroid with a godly passive for clean-up or 700+ range autos dealing 10% increased damage in an AoE, all of which can crit.
She has good waveclear, solid range to poke at towers (dunno if the 10% increased damage works on them) and her W is decent to harass people or check bushes. Her ult is more reliable and since it's an execute you can get bigger damage faster than Draven (unless the enemy piles up to eat both hits).

His laning isn't nearly as strong since they changed his passive (where it was arguably really strong due to the way it stacks).

On March 09 2015 02:26 Alaric wrote:
And if you die you lose half the stacks, on a champion that isn't the epitome of safety. If he can bawl it out he's doing well because Q, like Riven's passive, works with lifesteal, but burst kills him fast.

On March 09 2015 02:10 M2 wrote:
hey guys, can you watch the twitch streams, somehow nothing works for me

On March 09 2015 02:36 nafta wrote:
The guy is also a draven main with an entire teamcomp dedicated to him.In solo you are lucky if you get a single person peeling for you.

If you think he is so good start maining him and take the freelo.

On March 09 2015 03:05 iCanada wrote:


Thats not what I am saying, I never said he was OP or freelo.

All I said is he should be played more than he currently is, he is a strong enough champ that his pickrate should be higher than picked/banned in 5% of the games worldwide. According to LoLking, Ezreal, Vayne, Corki, Graves, Caitlyn, Lucian, Sivir, Tristana, Twitch etc have all been picked nearly 1 million times in Ranked. Draven only been picked 72000 times. We are talking 5000 more Draven more picks than Poppy picks in the last month world wide.

On March 09 2015 02:25 iCanada wrote:


It still is really strong.

I googled Krystals Draven; Watch this game highlights, Draven gets 1 kill for 720+300 gold @ 1:12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTw2FGhLHew

At one point he is so big he flashed over a wall to kill an Irelia 1v1. lol.

On March 09 2015 03:14 739 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Best custom skin I've ever seen. Christ, this is so good.

On March 09 2015 03:17 Amui wrote:

Wow. Dunno if instateleport on Q is a good idea, but those sound effects. Really need 2.5AS Lee to make the sound effects come to life though.

On March 09 2015 03:14 739 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Best custom skin I've ever seen. Christ, this is so good.