| Forum Index > LoL General |
|
Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
It seems that in your wildly optimistic evaluation of Dravens burst (by assuming long animation time abilities hit both sides and hit nothing first so have no reduced damage) you have given him 904 free damage. Edit: you also assumed graves couldn't get >1 pellet on his buckshot which I think is a reasonable assumption but not when you're suggesting you always get a perfect single target ult for draven. | ||
|
iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On March 09 2015 04:38 Goumindong wrote: @iCanada how does Draven ult do 2x 904 damage and Graves ult does 750 when Dravens ult does 375 + 1.1 bonus AD per hit and graves ult does 550 + 1.5 bonus AD? It seems that in your wildly optimistic evaluation of Dravens burst (by assuming long animation time abilities hit both sides and hit nothing first so have no reduced damage) you have given him 904 free damage. Edit: you also assumed graves couldn't get >1 pellet on his buckshot which I think is a reasonable assumption but not when you're suggesting you always get a perfect single target ult for draven. That is my bad, thought it was total AD for some reason. I apologize for that. Still leaves him with bigger burst than Graves by about 200 damage with or without crit. And in a teamfight, getting a perfect Draven single target ulti is pretty easy, imo. And if not you lose maybe 40% on the second hit, which leaves his burst identical to Graves. | ||
|
Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
I know you can see them for the soloq games, but I'm talking about LCS. | ||
|
oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 09 2015 06:37 Fildun wrote: Does anybody perhaps know whether you can see runes/masteries for professional matches? And if so, where? I know you can see them for the soloq games, but I'm talking about LCS. Choose game on lolesports site, there is feature in the bottom. | ||
|
Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
| ||
|
zer0das
United States8519 Posts
It also adds this weird dynamic that when you start one shotting full health enemy minions with q you start gaining AP extremely quickly. | ||
|
wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 09 2015 07:56 zer0das wrote: New Veigar feels stronger in ARAM to me. I can consistently get 100+ AP from his baleful strike stacking even in fairly short games (would rarely break 50 before), the extra hit of baleful strike if it bounces actually adds a decent bit of damage, dark matter is up more frequently, and you can trap the enemy team in a really small area making them helpless against AOE damage. Ult is a bit weaker but the lower cooldown on it eases the sting. It also adds this weird dynamic that when you start one shotting full health enemy minions with q you start gaining AP extremely quickly. wtf? instant stun in ARAM is broken as fuck, I dunno how you came to the conclusion that he's become stronger just because you get some more ap now... | ||
|
obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Veigar's still strong on aram. But I couldn't initiate with my stun anymore. I had to wait for someone else to initiate, then I'd drop my AoE stun on 3-5 people. Also w/o dfg I can't 1 shot squishies that jump me anymore  | ||
|
Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 09 2015 08:48 obesechicken13 wrote: I feel like they stopped balancing aram. Either it's in a good enough state or they realized they were wasting too much time on aram when game balance wasn't a prime importance there. Veigar's still strong on aram. But I couldn't initiate with my stun anymore. I had to wait for someone else to initiate, then I'd drop my AoE stun on 3-5 people. Also w/o dfg I can't 1 shot squishies that jump me anymore I feel like when it comes to champion balance that they don't even bother touching them unless they feel they're already balanced on SR. | ||
|
wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 09 2015 08:48 obesechicken13 wrote: I feel like they stopped balancing aram. Either it's in a good enough state or they realized they were wasting too much time on aram when game balance wasn't a prime importance there. Veigar's still strong on aram. But I couldn't initiate with my stun anymore. I had to wait for someone else to initiate, then I'd drop my AoE stun on 3-5 people. Also w/o dfg I can't 1 shot squishies that jump me anymore i really don't like that they balance things for ARAM, like different items, heal changes, map passive, etc. | ||
|
zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On March 09 2015 08:17 wei2coolman wrote: wtf? instant stun in ARAM is broken as fuck, I dunno how you came to the conclusion that he's become stronger just because you get some more ap now... That's not what I said at all. | ||
|
Anakko
France1934 Posts
On March 09 2015 08:48 obesechicken13 wrote: I feel like they stopped balancing aram. Either it's in a good enough state or they realized they were wasting too much time on aram when game balance wasn't a prime importance there. I'm glad they don't. ARAM has no business being balanced. It really is just a mode for funsies | ||
|
JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
| ||
|
Sonnington
United States1107 Posts
| ||
|
Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On March 09 2015 13:35 Sonnington wrote: Yeah, I think everyone knows Veigar's change was a significant nerf. But how about the new Zilean? I played him once and it was so difficult to land a double bomb. On top of his bombs doing less damage and overall harder to hit. Anyone else having luck with him or is he dumpster tier as well? according to Bigfat he's a pile of garbage but I feel like he looks ok on paper as a support (which jiji doesn't play) | ||
|
Amui
Canada10567 Posts
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1753755192/36576321?tab=overview Would anybody be interested in me streaming the games/uploading VoDs? The stream time does conflict with LCS on most days, and it is a fair amount of time investment for uploading. If anybody asks why I didn't kill Wukong more, he had 19CS at 10 minutes, and about 30 at 15. I just zoned the shit out of him(xp range only), so he was down 3 levels and had no items (compare his gold with zyra/nami, who have a GP10 item) | ||
|
wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 09 2015 13:39 Slusher wrote: according to Bigfat he's a pile of garbage but I feel like he looks ok on paper as a support (which jiji doesn't play) the lack of mana on his ulti is such a boner killer. Like you'll ult someone at the end of hte fight, but he'll revive still with no mana, so they just die again... | ||
|
Slusher
United States19143 Posts
| ||
|
wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 09 2015 14:12 Slusher wrote: do they revive with 0 or their old total? whatever mana they had left. | ||
|
JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
ARAM only needs literally one more change to be completely fine - every champ is available. I know it's an old suggestion, but it's still one of the best things that could happen to League. Zilean 'feels' better to me, but I think he's a bit undertuned personally. I do miss the 5 second slow/haste, though 99% is pretty wicked at times. Draven is one of the most entertaining champs in the game to watch when a competent player is playing him IMO. I'd love to see him played more. There is like Krystal and I think Freeze in EU, but I can't think of anyone else. | ||
| ||
|
|
The PondCast
Kung Fu Cup
IntoTheTV X SOOP
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
OSC
WardiTV Invitational
GSL
Epic.LAN
Replay Cast
Sparkling Tuna Cup
Epic.LAN
[ Show More ] |
|
|
EPT
