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On March 01 2015 08:19 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2015 07:54 JazzVortical wrote:On March 01 2015 07:33 GolemMadness wrote:
I tried out the new Zilean, and he just feels awful to play. His Q does significantly less damage and it's a hard to land skill shot and it has a higher cooldown until level 5. Then his auto range was lowered, so he's just terrible in lane. The stun on a double bomb is cool and all has some good potential, but it's just too damn hard to actually execute. You basically need to combo it with someone else's CC. It's like having to land two Nami bubbles in a 3 second span for it to actually CC.
The lower mana and cooldown on E are nice, but the slow/haste were also nerfed significantly at rank 1. Since W no longer affects your ult's cooldown, it feels like they want you to max E after Q, but then the cooldown on your rewind is so damn long. His ult is just straight up nerfed (much higher cooldown, lower duration).
Overall, as someone who played a lot of Zilean in season 4, all of this sucks. I personally think the direction was good, and there is potential, but he's not there yet. Needs a few more adjustments. Among other things, I'd like to see him have his 600 range AA back. Variety is good. The thing is a lot of the newer champs like Rek'sai and Sion don't have weaknesses. They can push, sustain or block harass, have cc that isn't countered by tenacity, do damage, don't have mana problems, etc... But they also don't have anything interesting or outstanding other than their ults. The variety is disappearing. Eg. hard cc that lasts for a long time: Rammus, Fiddle, Veigar. It's only a matter of time before Morg's snare is hit. Sion's lifesteal ult was hit, Poppy's ult is on course for removal. I'm hopeful bard will be unique though in ways other than just his ulti.
Riot's said they won't hit Dark Binding again because it's a core part of what makes Morgana Morgana.
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On March 01 2015 08:40 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2015 08:19 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 01 2015 07:54 JazzVortical wrote:On March 01 2015 07:33 GolemMadness wrote:
I tried out the new Zilean, and he just feels awful to play. His Q does significantly less damage and it's a hard to land skill shot and it has a higher cooldown until level 5. Then his auto range was lowered, so he's just terrible in lane. The stun on a double bomb is cool and all has some good potential, but it's just too damn hard to actually execute. You basically need to combo it with someone else's CC. It's like having to land two Nami bubbles in a 3 second span for it to actually CC.
The lower mana and cooldown on E are nice, but the slow/haste were also nerfed significantly at rank 1. Since W no longer affects your ult's cooldown, it feels like they want you to max E after Q, but then the cooldown on your rewind is so damn long. His ult is just straight up nerfed (much higher cooldown, lower duration).
Overall, as someone who played a lot of Zilean in season 4, all of this sucks. I personally think the direction was good, and there is potential, but he's not there yet. Needs a few more adjustments. Among other things, I'd like to see him have his 600 range AA back. Variety is good. The thing is a lot of the newer champs like Rek'sai and Sion don't have weaknesses. They can push, sustain or block harass, have cc that isn't countered by tenacity, do damage, don't have mana problems, etc... But they also don't have anything interesting or outstanding other than their ults. The variety is disappearing. Eg. hard cc that lasts for a long time: Rammus, Fiddle, Veigar. It's only a matter of time before Morg's snare is hit. Sion's lifesteal ult was hit, Poppy's ult is on course for removal. I'm hopeful bard will be unique though in ways other than just his ulti. Riot's said they won't hit Dark Binding again because it's a core part of what makes Morgana Morgana.
Horizon was what was making Veigar Veigar and look what happened ^^
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On March 01 2015 08:46 739 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2015 08:40 Gahlo wrote:On March 01 2015 08:19 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 01 2015 07:54 JazzVortical wrote:On March 01 2015 07:33 GolemMadness wrote:
I tried out the new Zilean, and he just feels awful to play. His Q does significantly less damage and it's a hard to land skill shot and it has a higher cooldown until level 5. Then his auto range was lowered, so he's just terrible in lane. The stun on a double bomb is cool and all has some good potential, but it's just too damn hard to actually execute. You basically need to combo it with someone else's CC. It's like having to land two Nami bubbles in a 3 second span for it to actually CC.
The lower mana and cooldown on E are nice, but the slow/haste were also nerfed significantly at rank 1. Since W no longer affects your ult's cooldown, it feels like they want you to max E after Q, but then the cooldown on your rewind is so damn long. His ult is just straight up nerfed (much higher cooldown, lower duration).
Overall, as someone who played a lot of Zilean in season 4, all of this sucks. I personally think the direction was good, and there is potential, but he's not there yet. Needs a few more adjustments. Among other things, I'd like to see him have his 600 range AA back. Variety is good. The thing is a lot of the newer champs like Rek'sai and Sion don't have weaknesses. They can push, sustain or block harass, have cc that isn't countered by tenacity, do damage, don't have mana problems, etc... But they also don't have anything interesting or outstanding other than their ults. The variety is disappearing. Eg. hard cc that lasts for a long time: Rammus, Fiddle, Veigar. It's only a matter of time before Morg's snare is hit. Sion's lifesteal ult was hit, Poppy's ult is on course for removal. I'm hopeful bard will be unique though in ways other than just his ulti. Riot's said they won't hit Dark Binding again because it's a core part of what makes Morgana Morgana. Horizon was what was making Veigar Veigar and look what happened ^^
Riot clearly disagrees.
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On March 01 2015 09:14 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2015 08:46 739 wrote:On March 01 2015 08:40 Gahlo wrote:On March 01 2015 08:19 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 01 2015 07:54 JazzVortical wrote:On March 01 2015 07:33 GolemMadness wrote:
I tried out the new Zilean, and he just feels awful to play. His Q does significantly less damage and it's a hard to land skill shot and it has a higher cooldown until level 5. Then his auto range was lowered, so he's just terrible in lane. The stun on a double bomb is cool and all has some good potential, but it's just too damn hard to actually execute. You basically need to combo it with someone else's CC. It's like having to land two Nami bubbles in a 3 second span for it to actually CC.
The lower mana and cooldown on E are nice, but the slow/haste were also nerfed significantly at rank 1. Since W no longer affects your ult's cooldown, it feels like they want you to max E after Q, but then the cooldown on your rewind is so damn long. His ult is just straight up nerfed (much higher cooldown, lower duration).
Overall, as someone who played a lot of Zilean in season 4, all of this sucks. I personally think the direction was good, and there is potential, but he's not there yet. Needs a few more adjustments. Among other things, I'd like to see him have his 600 range AA back. Variety is good. The thing is a lot of the newer champs like Rek'sai and Sion don't have weaknesses. They can push, sustain or block harass, have cc that isn't countered by tenacity, do damage, don't have mana problems, etc... But they also don't have anything interesting or outstanding other than their ults. The variety is disappearing. Eg. hard cc that lasts for a long time: Rammus, Fiddle, Veigar. It's only a matter of time before Morg's snare is hit. Sion's lifesteal ult was hit, Poppy's ult is on course for removal. I'm hopeful bard will be unique though in ways other than just his ulti. Riot's said they won't hit Dark Binding again because it's a core part of what makes Morgana Morgana. Horizon was what was making Veigar Veigar and look what happened ^^ Riot clearly disagrees.
They apparently don't think Riftwalk is what makes Kass Kass either, even after saying so themselves!
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On March 01 2015 09:28 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2015 09:14 Gahlo wrote:On March 01 2015 08:46 739 wrote:On March 01 2015 08:40 Gahlo wrote:On March 01 2015 08:19 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 01 2015 07:54 JazzVortical wrote:On March 01 2015 07:33 GolemMadness wrote:
I tried out the new Zilean, and he just feels awful to play. His Q does significantly less damage and it's a hard to land skill shot and it has a higher cooldown until level 5. Then his auto range was lowered, so he's just terrible in lane. The stun on a double bomb is cool and all has some good potential, but it's just too damn hard to actually execute. You basically need to combo it with someone else's CC. It's like having to land two Nami bubbles in a 3 second span for it to actually CC.
The lower mana and cooldown on E are nice, but the slow/haste were also nerfed significantly at rank 1. Since W no longer affects your ult's cooldown, it feels like they want you to max E after Q, but then the cooldown on your rewind is so damn long. His ult is just straight up nerfed (much higher cooldown, lower duration).
Overall, as someone who played a lot of Zilean in season 4, all of this sucks. I personally think the direction was good, and there is potential, but he's not there yet. Needs a few more adjustments. Among other things, I'd like to see him have his 600 range AA back. Variety is good. The thing is a lot of the newer champs like Rek'sai and Sion don't have weaknesses. They can push, sustain or block harass, have cc that isn't countered by tenacity, do damage, don't have mana problems, etc... But they also don't have anything interesting or outstanding other than their ults. The variety is disappearing. Eg. hard cc that lasts for a long time: Rammus, Fiddle, Veigar. It's only a matter of time before Morg's snare is hit. Sion's lifesteal ult was hit, Poppy's ult is on course for removal. I'm hopeful bard will be unique though in ways other than just his ulti. Riot's said they won't hit Dark Binding again because it's a core part of what makes Morgana Morgana. Horizon was what was making Veigar Veigar and look what happened ^^ Riot clearly disagrees. They apparently don't think Riftwalk is what makes Kass Kass either, even after saying so themselves!
"Rift walk not Rift run hur hur hur." - Riot 2015
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just won a game where I my team was ~8k up on a Trick2g style udyr
shits really annoying to close against lol
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On March 01 2015 12:29 Slusher wrote:
just won a game where I my team was ~8k up on a Trick2g style udyr
shits really annoying to close against lol
It's a good thing people run teleport now though. When the meta was ignite every lane, dealing with split pushing was so much harder. Homeguard and the stronger inhib turrets help too.
Random thought: do you think Singed mid is viable? RoA and standard singed items with 9/21 for the extra tenacity.
You try to push waves and threaten to flip the enemy mid with goop, taking minimal harass level 3+ for how much you push the waves. You provide AoE magic damage to your team.
I wanna try it in normals.
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On March 01 2015 13:22 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2015 12:29 Slusher wrote:
just won a game where I my team was ~8k up on a Trick2g style udyr
shits really annoying to close against lol It's a good thing people run teleport now though. When the meta was ignite every lane, dealing with split pushing was so much harder. Homeguard and the stronger inhib turrets help too. Random thought: do you think Singed mid is viable? RoA and standard singed items with 9/21 for the extra tenacity. You try to push waves and threaten to flip the enemy mid with goop, taking minimal harass level 3+ for how much you push the waves. You provide AoE magic damage to your team. I wanna try it in normals.
i don't think so because mid tends to consist of either strong laners or ranged characters that would dick singed
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On March 01 2015 13:22 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2015 12:29 Slusher wrote:
just won a game where I my team was ~8k up on a Trick2g style udyr
shits really annoying to close against lol It's a good thing people run teleport now though. When the meta was ignite every lane, dealing with split pushing was so much harder. Homeguard and the stronger inhib turrets help too. Random thought: do you think Singed mid is viable? RoA and standard singed items with 9/21 for the extra tenacity. You try to push waves and threaten to flip the enemy mid with goop, taking minimal harass level 3+ for how much you push the waves. You provide AoE magic damage to your team. I wanna try it in normals.
I don't see the advantage of running him mid over top. You're even more likely to get an unfavourable match up in Mid, and it's much harder to just shove mid when most champs there have plenty of wave clear.
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On March 01 2015 14:00 JazzVortical wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2015 13:22 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 01 2015 12:29 Slusher wrote:
just won a game where I my team was ~8k up on a Trick2g style udyr
shits really annoying to close against lol It's a good thing people run teleport now though. When the meta was ignite every lane, dealing with split pushing was so much harder. Homeguard and the stronger inhib turrets help too. Random thought: do you think Singed mid is viable? RoA and standard singed items with 9/21 for the extra tenacity. You try to push waves and threaten to flip the enemy mid with goop, taking minimal harass level 3+ for how much you push the waves. You provide AoE magic damage to your team. I wanna try it in normals. I don't see the advantage of running him mid over top. You're even more likely to get an unfavourable match up in Mid, and it's much harder to just shove mid when most champs there have plenty of wave clear.
I remember a game where I had to go top as Malzahar. Something happened in champ select. I don't remember what. It was horrible. I couldn't both harass him early and push the wave and lost so much cs under tower. I feel like if I were Renekton, Kayle, or Jayce it'd have gone better. That game was my motivation.
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On March 01 2015 14:23 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2015 14:00 JazzVortical wrote:On March 01 2015 13:22 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 01 2015 12:29 Slusher wrote:
just won a game where I my team was ~8k up on a Trick2g style udyr
shits really annoying to close against lol It's a good thing people run teleport now though. When the meta was ignite every lane, dealing with split pushing was so much harder. Homeguard and the stronger inhib turrets help too. Random thought: do you think Singed mid is viable? RoA and standard singed items with 9/21 for the extra tenacity. You try to push waves and threaten to flip the enemy mid with goop, taking minimal harass level 3+ for how much you push the waves. You provide AoE magic damage to your team. I wanna try it in normals. I don't see the advantage of running him mid over top. You're even more likely to get an unfavourable match up in Mid, and it's much harder to just shove mid when most champs there have plenty of wave clear. I remember a game where I had to go top as Malzahar. Something happened in champ select. I don't remember what. It was horrible. I couldn't both harass him early and push the wave and lost so much cs under tower. I feel like if I were Renekton, Kayle, or Jayce it'd have gone better. That game was my motivation.
i would probably ad malzahar against singed
i mean then again i ad malzahar against most melee matchups top
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Man, catching up on the LCK games really makes me even more annoyed that Veigar was destroyed. So sad...
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You could just max Q vs singed and clear everything while still getting decent harass if you build athenes.
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most Malzahars i've seen go roa Oo
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what are the chances of league ever getting a voice chat?
I stopped using the in game chat about 2 years ago and even tried using curse voice but almost nobody uses it. This game could really use voice chat.
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Right when replays come out
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On March 01 2015 21:03 RaphaelSanzio wrote:
what are the chances of league ever getting a voice chat?
I stopped using the in game chat about 2 years ago and even tried using curse voice but almost nobody uses it. This game could really use voice chat.
Riot spun some tale about how they did studies that said people were harassed more in voice chat because of their voice, exposing their gender, etc.
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