EPTOn February 27 2015 01:31 Gahlo wrote:
No, I just reminded people that they have a voice.
No, I just reminded people that they have a voice.
Gahlo hears the junglers sing.
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
Gahlo hears the junglers sing. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On February 27 2015 01:35 Ansibled wrote: You started a revolution. I think people are exaggerating the problem though, I don't like the change much but it seems to me there's the same amount of good junglers as there have always been. It would be cool if they kept the sidegrade cost but let you sidegrade after you upgraded into something. Also is there really a discussion about not getting sightstone in favour of picking up a single ward here or there or using trinket? The main advantage sightstone gives you is you can spam cover an area quickly to help take objectives. It may be an exaggeration in regards to just this patch, but I think it's pretty valid over the years of jungle mismanagement. Sidegrades at their current cost are worthless. Upgrading Machete adds 15g to the large monster kill bounty. To make up for that 255 cost, that bonus gold will have to be absorbed from 17 camps. That's over 4 jungle clears if buffs are down. The cost is currently so prohibitive, Riot might as well just have removed it form the game. | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On February 27 2015 01:35 101toss wrote: You don't need much more than the trinket ward and maybe an odd ward to accomplish this. Warding key river/bush spots and you can deduce where people are. Of course if your teammates are bad, they'll still die with or without vision. "Hey that jarvan went out of vision, he's probably gone and wouldn't try coming back." This sound familiar? I bolded the "you" because that is my point. YOU can deduce where they are, but what about your teammates? Also I pretty much disagree with the bolded statement. If your teammates are so bad that they die with vision then I don't get that. Obviously someone may not be looking at the map, but if you see the jarvan coming from the river, raptors, tribush, etc. then surely most people would back off or at least be ready to escape? If your teammates are so bad that they die without AND with vision I find it hard to believe you win any games otherwise they would be free ganks all day and you would have to 1v9 literally every game. ps Would you mind taking a summoner's rift map and just adding some quick ward spots in MS paint or something? Maybe ward coverage with your pink and trinket ward and odd ward that you speak of? I think that would be interesting to see where you are warding because I am only a silver level player and while I ward basic areas I am always looking for better places to ward. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On February 27 2015 01:32 nafta wrote: Problem is you can have only 1 pink ward and having a 60 sec cd on your ward when the enemy just clears your initial ward when you are trying to get vision doesn't work.Even in solo most teams have 2 or more red trinkets.If everyone on the team was warding it would maybe work but otherwise definitely not.The whole point of support champions is to be strong without items so they can actually get the sighstone. Wait, people start the game with sweeper? Instead of, you know, the ward trinket? The swap happens at a point where you'll have your upgraded trinket. As for your ward getting cleared later on, you know the jungler is there, cool, now don't get into a hard engage unless your jungler will counter gank or you see their jungler someone else. When I have time I'll pshop a map and tell you where I ward | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
They cant even make a replay system when 3rd parties provide dozens of them for funsies. The balance people just push personal agendas and cover them with buzzwords. Then whenever they have a reason to touch champions, they mess it up with half assed shit, like veigar, morde, ahri in the opposite direction, kassadin in recent events. There have been many more victims.´, at this point its probably better for a champ if riot forgets about them. Then the constant artwork changes for no reason, changing a champions look completely, RIP Janna, Soraka, Tristana voiceover, Veigar walk (who remembers?), twitch the actual rat.... Obsession with a quarterly buzzword that will dominate their design choices until something else catches their ear. Complete disregard for any feedback whatsoever. About time people complain like that. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On February 27 2015 01:52 LaNague wrote: its not just the jungle, riot messed up so much in the past years despite being a huge company. They cant even make a replay system when 3rd parties provide dozens of them for funsies. The balance people just push personal agendas and cover them with buzzwords. Then whenever they have a reason to touch champions, they mess it up with half assed shit, like veigar, morde, ahri in the opposite direction, kassadin in recent events. There have been many more victims.´, at this point its probably better for a champ if riot forgets about them. Then the constant artwork changes for no reason, changing a champions look completely, RIP Janna, Soraka, Tristana voiceover, Veigar walk (who remembers?), twitch the actual rat.... Obsession with a quarterly buzzword that will dominate their design choices until something else catches their ear. Complete disregard for any feedback whatsoever. About time people complain like that. Remember when a silver guy balanced the game? Now they have diamond players (still bad) balance it. I get that they have to balance around solo q and pro games which can be tricky, along with toxic champions (ie akali isn't allowed to have a good winrate), but you'd think they'd do better things than destroy non-toxic champions or give ahri a movement speed buff on q just like that. Probably my biggest complaint is Adobe Air/the shitty client. | ||
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nekotrap
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
I am not familiar with NA nicknames | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On February 27 2015 01:51 101toss wrote: Wait, people start the game with sweeper? Instead of, you know, the ward trinket? The swap happens at a point where you'll have your upgraded trinket. As for your ward getting cleared later on, you know the jungler is there, cool, now don't get into a hard engage unless your jungler will counter gank or you see their jungler someone else. When I have time I'll pshop a map and tell you where I ward Do you ever do dragon/baron dances/fights? If so, how do you do those? Also in my games people usually swap before you're level 9, especially supports and junglers. | ||
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
On February 27 2015 02:10 LaNague wrote: Which reddit post is ghalos? I am not familiar with NA nicknames Probably the most saltiest on front page. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On February 27 2015 01:51 101toss wrote: Wait, people start the game with sweeper? Instead of, you know, the ward trinket? The swap happens at a point where you'll have your upgraded trinket. As for your ward getting cleared later on, you know the jungler is there, cool, now don't get into a hard engage unless your jungler will counter gank or you see their jungler someone else. When I have time I'll pshop a map and tell you where I ward I dunno how it goes in your games but in mine after first back both jungler and support have red trinket.You are arguing about skipping sighstone all together not about only laning. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On February 27 2015 01:25 Anakko wrote: Yeah no he has to be trolling. I refuse to believe he's trying to make a reasonable argument here. If as a support you sell your sightstone in endgame because "it's not a real item", you're doing it horribly wrong what the fuck i sell sightstone for a lichbane any day of the week just get a yellow trinket upgraded late its fine sightstone is better but a 6th item is massively better and all your teammates should get some yellows anyway | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
Reddit moves fast, it isn't there anymore. http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2x1nc4/a_letter_to_riot_from_an_exjungler/ | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On February 27 2015 02:12 nafta wrote: I dunno how it goes in your games but in mine after first back both jungler and support have red trinket.You are arguing about skipping sighstone all together not about only laning. I see tons of random shit, I see junglers that start sweeper right off the bat and people who don't give a shit use the blue orb thing, but on average, I notice the sweepers going off around the time I upgrade. Also, lol at the redditors who think lee is a ban worthy champion | ||
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Anakko
France1934 Posts
On February 27 2015 02:13 Slayer91 wrote: what the fuck i sell sightstone for a lichbane any day of the week just get a yellow trinket upgraded late its fine sightstone is better but a 6th item is massively better and all your teammates should get some yellows anyway How often do you hit 6th item lichbane as support? And as support , you'll have red trinket most of the time, so yellow upgrade is out. The way I see it, warding is part of the job description as a support, and providing damage is secondary. Your teammates get yellow, you get scanner, you keep your sighstone, and you catch the poor fool playing Dora 40 minutes in the game through superior vision, winning the game. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On February 27 2015 02:43 Anakko wrote: How often do you hit 6th item lichbane as support? And as support , you'll have red trinket most of the time, so yellow upgrade is out. The way I see it, warding is part of the job description as a support, and providing damage is secondary. Your teammates get yellow, you get scanner, you keep your sighstone, and you catch the poor fool playing Dora 40 minutes in the game through superior vision, winning the game. Or you end up losing because the enemy bot lane all-in'd you and all you had was a sightstone. Providing damage in laning as well as not dying are very important for a support, which is why champions like blitz, leona, taric, and op junglers are stronger supports than ward bitch utility champions like sona, thresh, and others (check winrates). The difference between having a sightstone and, say, a chainvest, is extremely noticable. Catching people playing Dora doesn't really happen at my level since the tank is always in front anyways. You do have the people who bought their elo, but that doesn't really count. Besides, denying vision is usually much less important than having vision unless cheesing objectives. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On February 26 2015 17:07 PrinceXizor wrote: I don't get why riot doesn't just cut the facade and make event horizon into Kinetic Field. make it so dashes can't go over it, but teleports (flash, rift walk, arcane shift) can. They clearly want people to get trapped inside it rather than used to stun people. just go all the way. Kinetic field would suck balls without glimpse I don't even know where to begin on why riot devs wouldn't ever do glimpse, i mean for starters it's not a skillshot | ||
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
On February 27 2015 03:15 Slusher wrote: Kinetic field would suck balls without glimpse I don't even know where to begin on why riot devs wouldn't ever do glimpse, i mean for starters it's not a skillshot All I want is AA's ulti to be ported in League. Global skillshot - I'd love. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On February 27 2015 02:43 Anakko wrote: How often do you hit 6th item lichbane as support? And as support , you'll have red trinket most of the time, so yellow upgrade is out. The way I see it, warding is part of the job description as a support, and providing damage is secondary. Your teammates get yellow, you get scanner, you keep your sighstone, and you catch the poor fool playing Dora 40 minutes in the game through superior vision, winning the game. 100% of the games that im selling sightstone for it which is what we were talking about you will swap red for yellow trinket before you sell your sightstone obviously | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Why would you get Lichbane of all items instead of something that is useful? I'd probably report a support on my team building Lichbane. | ||
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