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New Season - New Thread: You can find the new thread here
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/liquid-legends/497276-rumors-thread
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-24 06:48:09
June 24 2015 06:39 GMT
#1721
I legit feel uncomfortable about posting this but I guess it should be discussed, someone hacked dentist's twitter and posted a shit ton of chat logs between him and CW's owner about the players they wanted and deficio as a manager. Deficio was reaching out to the players and the ones they had in mind were svenskeren and rekkles both of whom were apparently on board with it.

Interesting quote from the leaked images though "If we lose Freeze and don't pick up rekkles or forg1ven we are playing for auto-relegation 100%"

Also Copenhagen Wolves with attitudes were priced for 25k

"Soren out for another soren would be huge" holy fuck these ambitions, CW intended to create a fucking hyper team. Riot also listed cabochard and zorozero amongst the players they approached.

Seems that the roster CW had planned was zorozero/svenskeren/bjergsen/rekkles/hylissang managed by deficio and coached by dentist. Failing that zoro/sven/soren/freeze/hylissang; according to the chatlogs sven and zoro were more or less a done deal while hylissang was nearly done.

http://imgur.com/a/zIJzB#alwNqGb
Names taken out of the chatlogs
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LimpingGoat
Profile Joined January 2015
898 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-24 07:02:58
June 24 2015 06:59 GMT
#1722
lmfao how delusional do you have to be to think that Bjergsen would leave TSM for Copenhagan Wolves.

Always got the impression that Dentist was a weirdo.
thejuju
Profile Joined January 2015
United States413 Posts
June 24 2015 07:04 GMT
#1723
If there was one team in the west that you wouldn't leave, it's TSM.

But the whole situation kind of sucks for CW, they really looked like they tried to build a legit super team and instead got screwed over because of the poor way free agency works in lcs. This might rate highly in a "what could have been" scenario for League in the future.
@whyjujuwhy | THE BIGGEST FRAUD ON LL | Ultimate Passionlord | N E V E R G I V E U P
LimpingGoat
Profile Joined January 2015
898 Posts
June 24 2015 07:09 GMT
#1724
On June 24 2015 16:04 thejuju wrote:
If there was one team in the west that you wouldn't leave, it's TSM.

But the whole situation kind of sucks for CW, they really looked like they tried to build a legit super team and instead got screwed over because of the poor way free agency works in lcs. This might rate highly in a "what could have been" scenario for League in the future.


I don't know, for some reason this reeks of childish ambition. Even if they got all of those players that they wanted, just from reading these logs I wouldn't predict anything but failure from such a management.
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
June 24 2015 07:13 GMT
#1725
meh, sounds like a normal convo between co owner dreaming about their bright future
usually you do these drunk and in person but this works too
it's sad that this is a private matter and has no real weight since they're just jerking each other dreaming about how great their team is going to be but knowing the lol community ppl are going to get mad and everything will go to shit
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
June 24 2015 07:36 GMT
#1726
How to make sure to never be hired again in the scene 101 by karl dentist krey!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 24 2015 07:37 GMT
#1727
As awesome as that sounds, super teams just have a tendency to just fall apart.
liftlift > tsm
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-24 08:24:08
June 24 2015 08:22 GMT
#1728
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JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
June 24 2015 08:29 GMT
#1729
On June 24 2015 16:13 SagaZ wrote:
meh, sounds like a normal convo between co owner dreaming about their bright future
usually you do these drunk and in person but this works too
it's sad that this is a private matter and has no real weight since they're just jerking each other dreaming about how great their team is going to be but knowing the lol community ppl are going to get mad and everything will go to shit


Deficio did confirm his part in the situation and how it led to his suspension so there's some truth to the leaks. How much is hard to say but I wouldn't say it's a normal drunken convo.
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9448 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-24 09:03:45
June 24 2015 08:52 GMT
#1730
On June 24 2015 15:59 LimpingGoat wrote: !@#$%^&* how delusional do you have to be to think that Bjergsen would leave TSM for Copenhagan Wolves.

Always got the impression that Dentist was a weirdo.


Relax. You never dreamed big when talking to friends? I think alot of people would look like idiots if all their private logs were made public.

Isn't the stuff with Azubu punishable by law? That's basically fraud/scamming.


This actually isn't as bad as it is phrased in the log. In fact, what happens is that a sponsor says to an organization "we give you xxx money" and the organization can fund their salaries to the players based on those money while taking a cut of the money them selves. This happens all the time and the only difference here is that CW for some reason wanted to lie about it (unncesarily in my opinion).

But the important thing to keep in mind is that they are not actually offering the players more than they do not intend to pay out, but it is indeed immoral that they want to lie about it. And in fact it's just 100% unnecasary.

All they had to do was pay each player a similar amount of streaming on Azubu while taking a cut to the organization and using some of those money to pay for Freeze's salary. The implications here would be the same but they never had to lie about anything.

From my understanding its not as if they are earning a huge amount of money from the deal and scamming the players who deserved those money. Instead it seem as if they simply have trouble making it apparent to the players that the organization needs to generate income as well.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
June 24 2015 09:17 GMT
#1731
On June 24 2015 15:39 Fusilero wrote:
Seems that the roster CW had planned was zorozero/svenskeren/bjergsen/rekkles/hylissang managed by deficio and coached by dentist. Failing that zoro/sven/soren/freeze/hylissang; according to the chatlogs sven and zoro were more or less a done deal while hylissang was nearly done.

I would fanboy those teams so fucking hard holy shit.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-24 10:20:40
June 24 2015 09:27 GMT
#1732
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Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
June 24 2015 09:30 GMT
#1733
Please open a new thread for this for further discussion.
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9448 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-24 10:52:41
June 24 2015 10:09 GMT
#1734
And even if I did, I don't think I would look like a scumbag like Dentist did.


This is about their dreams for the organization (we wanna be top 3 team, then maybe we can get bjergsen). Nothing wrong with those dreams as they are part of what motivates you.

it was clear that their intention was selfish/malicious.


They were justified in taking a cut though. That's my point. The issue is that they went about it in a very immoral way, and I agree that they should receive a peanlty.

did you miss my entire post? I think exploiting others is a pretty scumbag thing to do.


Did you miss the quote I was responding to? I already wrote it was immortal to lie to the players, but that was a different discussion.

Could I have technically done this without lying? Yes. Realistically would the tutor and student agree to it? !@#$%^&* no, it's a rip off. Who the !@#$%^&* charges an extra 100% of the pay for basically commission? And if it's without my consent? You can go to hell.


Rip off? it's not a rip off at all. The players benefit from being in the organization due to the exposure they get them. So when Azubu wants to pay the players to stream, that's comes as an indirect result of them playing for CW. On top of that, it's also the CEO of CW who arranges all the sponsor contracts in the first place.

Taking a cut from Azubu sponsor deal is 100% normal in this business. Not doing it, would be charity.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
June 24 2015 12:12 GMT
#1735
Flash Wolves got a Korean ADC 'Kkramer'

http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=2778&l=36197
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Faker_Fanboy
Profile Joined January 2015
70 Posts
June 24 2015 15:12 GMT
#1736
On June 24 2015 21:12 Chexx wrote:
Flash Wolves got a Korean ADC 'Kkramer'

http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=2778&l=36197


looks like CJ Space from an alt universe
Apdo = evil Faker
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
June 24 2015 17:01 GMT
#1737


oh shi- Energy and Theokeles leaving the team.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
June 24 2015 19:08 GMT
#1738
So according to fantasy site, Nyph is going to start for Elements this week.

Rip promiscuous, you didn't last long.
Still undefeated on Alistar though :>
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-24 19:12:17
June 24 2015 19:12 GMT
#1739
To recap the fate of Copenhagen Wolves with attitudes

Lord Morsu: RIP
Kirei: Is now apparently serving the keithmcbrief role to gilius
CozQ: On denial
Vizility: Couldn't make EUCS
Hybrid: Lomoments would rather bring nyph back than try him
Glorious SEA doto
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-24 19:36:09
June 24 2015 19:12 GMT
#1740
lol

Elements is funny to watch at this point.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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