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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 29 2015 15:56 GMT
#701
On April 30 2015 00:49 AlterKot wrote:
One of my favorite Thorin quote (or was it Monte? idk) is that EU is so messed up that if you just put every EU LCS player name in a hat and started randomly pulling them out, you would end up with better league than the one we currently have. And somehow it's looking worse and worse. No way we'll ever have season as competitive as S3 Summer :/


Well he's not wrong. EU teams are just morons. I think only Fnatic are reasonably smart and they were forced into that situation after Xpeke left. Who knows if they would have still kept him even after being so mediocre for so long. Problem with EU is all the dumb players have too much say. Don't have guys like Regi that just don't give a fuck what players say.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
April 29 2015 15:57 GMT
#702
On April 30 2015 00:55 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 00:49 AlterKot wrote:
One of my favorite Thorin quote (or was it Monte? idk) is that EU is so messed up that if you just put every EU LCS player name in a hat and started randomly pulling them out, you would end up with better league than the one we currently have. And somehow it's looking worse and worse. No way we'll ever have season as competitive as S3 Summer :/

That is mostly because Thorin and others have certain pipe dreams and get mad when their predictions turn out to be nonsense. Obviously its because the players are stupid then.

I for one am quite happy that it looks more like Incarnation will stay in EU. I also dont see why Rekkles would stream now and not simply go to SK.

He's contracted with Elements until November.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
April 29 2015 16:02 GMT
#703
On April 30 2015 00:56 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 00:49 AlterKot wrote:
One of my favorite Thorin quote (or was it Monte? idk) is that EU is so messed up that if you just put every EU LCS player name in a hat and started randomly pulling them out, you would end up with better league than the one we currently have. And somehow it's looking worse and worse. No way we'll ever have season as competitive as S3 Summer :/


Well he's not wrong. EU teams are just morons. I think only Fnatic are reasonably smart and they were forced into that situation after Xpeke left. Who knows if they would have still kept him even after being so mediocre for so long. Problem with EU is all the dumb players have too much say. Don't have guys like Regi that just don't give a fuck what players say.

Imo Fnatic team management was simply very lucky that the team they assembled last minute worked out. Also I think the scouting was done by Yellowstar.
Off-season = best season
Saradin
Profile Joined January 2015
456 Posts
April 29 2015 16:06 GMT
#704
Yellowstar for Steeelback and Febiven, combo of Yellowstar and their manager for Huni, IIRC.
This links to a series of articles on Fnatic's rebuild, although Steeelback/Febiven only get a quick mention somewhere.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
April 29 2015 16:07 GMT
#705
On April 30 2015 00:57 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 00:55 Redox wrote:
On April 30 2015 00:49 AlterKot wrote:
One of my favorite Thorin quote (or was it Monte? idk) is that EU is so messed up that if you just put every EU LCS player name in a hat and started randomly pulling them out, you would end up with better league than the one we currently have. And somehow it's looking worse and worse. No way we'll ever have season as competitive as S3 Summer :/

That is mostly because Thorin and others have certain pipe dreams and get mad when their predictions turn out to be nonsense. Obviously its because the players are stupid then.

I for one am quite happy that it looks more like Incarnation will stay in EU. I also dont see why Rekkles would stream now and not simply go to SK.

He's contracted with Elements until November.

Then it might be a matter of negotiating the transfer fee. "Threatening" to stay on the team and just stream might be part of that. Because I doubt EL wants to pay his salary while he just streams.
Off-season = best season
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 29 2015 16:11 GMT
#706
On April 30 2015 01:02 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 00:56 Numy wrote:
On April 30 2015 00:49 AlterKot wrote:
One of my favorite Thorin quote (or was it Monte? idk) is that EU is so messed up that if you just put every EU LCS player name in a hat and started randomly pulling them out, you would end up with better league than the one we currently have. And somehow it's looking worse and worse. No way we'll ever have season as competitive as S3 Summer :/


Well he's not wrong. EU teams are just morons. I think only Fnatic are reasonably smart and they were forced into that situation after Xpeke left. Who knows if they would have still kept him even after being so mediocre for so long. Problem with EU is all the dumb players have too much say. Don't have guys like Regi that just don't give a fuck what players say.

Imo Fnatic team management was simply very lucky that the team they assembled last minute worked out. Also I think the scouting was done by Yellowstar.


Yea I tried to convey that but guess I didn't do it properly. Fnatic just stuck with the trio even while doing badly instead of trying to change things up so I don't think they are that smart, it's just their plans at least worked out. Rest of EU seems moronic imo. Elements has Froggen dictating what goes, SK I have no idea what is going on in that camp. Gambit has freaking P1noy???. Only really Dig and CST compare to the stupidity of EU I feel. It's sad since EU has so many great players and a history of being great at gaming.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
April 29 2015 16:16 GMT
#707
There are teams in EU that have decent scouting/teambuilding, it's just none of the big names do.

For as much shit as we give Youngbuck, CW has actually built a pretty solid team out of castoffs and rejects (and Freeze), and H2K believing in Ryu/Kasing paid dividends.
SUNSFANNED
Saradin
Profile Joined January 2015
456 Posts
April 29 2015 16:16 GMT
#708
Though when it comes up to 'Fnatic management', more credit should go to Steer, the manager, specifically, for the pushing he did to get Huni and then Reignover. The articles linked to in that reddit post are a good read.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
April 29 2015 16:18 GMT
#709
To be fair YB seems to just take the best talent avalaible every single time, it just SUPRISINGLY seems to be a decent scouting method, huh.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 29 2015 16:42 GMT
#710
Are you saying that recycling players that clearly don't cut it anymore purely based on their name recognition and prior achievements is not a decent scouting method?
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
April 29 2015 16:43 GMT
#711
Playing with moebuck is basically the EU equivalent of the hyperbolic chamber, it's why he produces such talent.
Glorious SEA doto
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-29 17:23:20
April 29 2015 17:23 GMT
#712
On April 30 2015 00:18 Wita wrote:
How is it not a good analogy just because the owner of iG is richer than Abramovich? They both buy a lot of star players or insane ammounts of money instead of going for homegrown talent.


That applies to every Chinese team.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
April 29 2015 17:44 GMT
#713
VG buying coco just to trade him for cool is fucking funny.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-29 20:08:23
April 29 2015 20:08 GMT
#714
reddit detectives l o l.

so elements really signed zorozero.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
April 29 2015 20:13 GMT
#715
I want to believe.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
April 29 2015 20:17 GMT
#716
Also this

Zorozero, Froggen, Dexter, Tabzz&Nyph?
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
terialk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States770 Posts
April 29 2015 20:35 GMT
#717
I'm just waiting for all the chinese roster turnover drama. Offseason is just full of half-true rumors and deals that change last minute.
"This is not the beginning of an end. Instead, it is the end of a beginning." // Little Sprite Fan :D // Never go full China. // At least NA won at Dota 2.
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
April 29 2015 20:54 GMT
#718
On April 30 2015 02:44 AsnSensation wrote:
VG buying coco just to trade him for cool is fucking funny.


Wait . . . what?

LOL
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
April 29 2015 20:57 GMT
#719
well they have to bench Dandy or Mata to play another korean so leveraging for top chinese talent is actually their best possible way to improve the team.
Carrilord has arrived.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-29 23:40:15
April 29 2015 23:40 GMT
#720
according to this guy Yusui has been doing really well in scrims with C9. personally, i see the chances of c9 going with yusui are 75%.
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