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St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
September 28 2015 08:36 GMT
#2301
lol I'm the only one in this site that loves Fenix? I think he helps the team a lot!!!! it's true that casters overhyped him, but he is a good player whose fast improvement has been very noticeable, hardworker + goodguy, exactly the TL kind of player, I HOPE they keep him
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
September 28 2015 09:53 GMT
#2302
On September 28 2015 17:36 St3MoR wrote:
lol I'm the only one in this site that loves Fenix? I think he helps the team a lot!!!! it's true that casters overhyped him, but he is a good player whose fast improvement has been very noticeable, hardworker + goodguy, exactly the TL kind of player, I HOPE they keep him

I agree I always liked him. In contrast to Piglet btw who I think is a little bitch that severely overestimates himself and is a bad team mate as a consequence. Imo good for TL that piglet he is gone.
Off-season = best season
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 28 2015 11:27 GMT
#2303
On September 28 2015 18:53 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2015 17:36 St3MoR wrote:
lol I'm the only one in this site that loves Fenix? I think he helps the team a lot!!!! it's true that casters overhyped him, but he is a good player whose fast improvement has been very noticeable, hardworker + goodguy, exactly the TL kind of player, I HOPE they keep him

I agree I always liked him. In contrast to Piglet btw who I think is a little bitch that severely overestimates himself and is a bad team mate as a consequence. Imo good for TL that piglet he is gone.


While I agree with you I don't think Fenix is a good enough or consistent enough mid laner for TL if they want to win LCS.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
September 28 2015 11:34 GMT
#2304
On September 28 2015 20:27 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2015 18:53 Redox wrote:
On September 28 2015 17:36 St3MoR wrote:
lol I'm the only one in this site that loves Fenix? I think he helps the team a lot!!!! it's true that casters overhyped him, but he is a good player whose fast improvement has been very noticeable, hardworker + goodguy, exactly the TL kind of player, I HOPE they keep him

I agree I always liked him. In contrast to Piglet btw who I think is a little bitch that severely overestimates himself and is a bad team mate as a consequence. Imo good for TL that piglet he is gone.


While I agree with you I don't think Fenix is a good enough or consistent enough mid laner for TL if they want to win LCS.

Bigger problem is whoever did picks didn't understand what he is good at imo. Even if he isn't absolutely amazing he was still pretty good and could carry given the correct lanes and shit.
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
September 28 2015 12:11 GMT
#2305
Good drafting seems to be a rare thing in the west.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-28 12:24:44
September 28 2015 12:15 GMT
#2306
On September 28 2015 20:34 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2015 20:27 Numy wrote:
On September 28 2015 18:53 Redox wrote:
On September 28 2015 17:36 St3MoR wrote:
lol I'm the only one in this site that loves Fenix? I think he helps the team a lot!!!! it's true that casters overhyped him, but he is a good player whose fast improvement has been very noticeable, hardworker + goodguy, exactly the TL kind of player, I HOPE they keep him

I agree I always liked him. In contrast to Piglet btw who I think is a little bitch that severely overestimates himself and is a bad team mate as a consequence. Imo good for TL that piglet he is gone.


While I agree with you I don't think Fenix is a good enough or consistent enough mid laner for TL if they want to win LCS.

Bigger problem is whoever did picks didn't understand what he is good at imo. Even if he isn't absolutely amazing he was still pretty good and could carry given the correct lanes and shit.


True. His lulu was awful but they kept picking it instead of Ahri/Azir which he's shown to be decent if not good on. Then again so many LCS(Both EU and NA) pick lulu mid with no idea how to play it well. He may be a good enough player under better leadership and a team that actually builds to their strength instead of forcing all their carries to go supportive to try let Piglet win the game.

On September 28 2015 21:11 DarkCore wrote:
Good drafting seems to be a rare thing in the west.


This there are three situations that arise in "bad" drafting.

1) A draft that is good for the team but bad for the game
2) A draft that is bad for the team but good for the game
3) A draft that is bad for the team and bad for the game

The first two can be both good and bad drafting depending on how well the team executes what they good at. Can they overcome a "better draft" when they are on their best style? If so then this is a good draft in my opinion. It's also a case of coaching outside of the game more so than drafting in the game. I almost always prefer teams to focus on this style of drafting. In both cases they point towards the coach knowing their job on the drafting phase and it often changes between the two depending on the importance of the game. Is this a game that you have to win? Ok then go with 1. Is this a game we can try stuff out? Ok then go with 2 and work on your meta strength

The 3rd option I feel is what we saw TL do most of the time. They drafted team comps that weren't exactly the best inside the game but also weren't good comps for the team itself. This is something you must never do as a drafter.

I find NA teams in general tend to try copy Korean drafts a little too much even if their teams don't know how to pull them off or don't have the individual team makeup to use them. EU teams tend to have their own ideas which may work in their vacuum but feel a bit awful if they going up against more meta strong teams. It's still a better approach in my eyes. Maybe that's why NA tends to battle vs KR but do alright vs CN where as EU battles vs CN and does alright vs KR.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
September 28 2015 12:32 GMT
#2307
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Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-28 12:41:25
September 28 2015 12:41 GMT
#2308
At least the drafts will be ... different.

Once again, I hope one of these guys can shotcall, because that and drafting we're 99.99% of their problems.
XDG Mata
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 28 2015 12:49 GMT
#2309
On September 28 2015 14:51 Plexa wrote:
But he had that quadrakill that one time.


It's ironic that was the only thing he did on TL.

Also it wasn't even him, it was the champion.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-28 13:01:47
September 28 2015 13:01 GMT
#2310
yeah fenix is super mediocre. I think Bjerg/Keane/incarnation/alexich/pob all better than him.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 28 2015 13:09 GMT
#2311
drafting lulu and supporting the piglet carry has to be in part to satisfy piglet's ego
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
September 28 2015 13:23 GMT
#2312
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 28 2015 13:50 GMT
#2313
when they first did the lulu juggermaw thing they were running vayne with it lol. that was in spring though
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 28 2015 15:36 GMT
#2314
http://www.dailydot.com/esports/piglet-leaves-team-liquid/

Dailydot reports Piglet out, Freeze frontrunner. Piglet wants to build a new team in Korea, who knows it might be as good as Narakyle's :>
Glorious SEA doto
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
September 28 2015 15:57 GMT
#2315
they got rid of a lot of toxic which is good. teamwork and shotcalling > skill atm in this game.

korea has the luxury of both on the top teams

piglet and xpecial are known cancers, not sure how dom is with the team but obv has a temper at the least.

I dont know much about the new team but I would hope they arent bringing in unprovens that are also assholes.

So I think the question will be can any of these new people shotcall or at least learn to shotcall as the split goes on.

New coach and lots of new players to learn what they like to play so drafts/bans goes smooth will also take some time. Honestly looks like a rebuilding split coming up but then you realize its NA so probably top 5 finish but nothing special again lel
I come in for the scraps
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-28 16:04:03
September 28 2015 16:03 GMT
#2316
Freeze, forever a victim of a mediocre supporting cast. Go to TSM, at least you have a chance there.

I don't think the toxic argument holds literally any water, especially without actual evidence.
XDG Mata
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
September 28 2015 16:14 GMT
#2317
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
September 28 2015 16:15 GMT
#2318
Do you really need more evidence with xpecial and piglet?

as I said dom is iffy because its only been proven in solo q but the former 2 are both obvious cancers
I come in for the scraps
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
September 28 2015 16:17 GMT
#2319
I know this is the rumor mill, but unless you're looking at team communication, yeah. You need evidence beyond a reputation and hearsay.
XDG Mata
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
September 28 2015 16:18 GMT
#2320
Freeze needs to get on a good team, TL is better than what he was on before, but it's not really enough unless the whole roster gets an overhaul.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
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