EPT[Patch 5.3] Lunar Revel General Discussion - Page 46
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On February 23 2015 07:37 cLutZ wrote: That is what I was trying to say. Shaco is basically: If balanced for competitive OP in soloQ (currently fairly good SoloQ, but still not very good in competitive). IMO Rek Sai is the opposite where a ton of her power in competitive doesn't translate into a soloQ game. A little like Lee Sin, but less so because props are more mechanical with Rek Sai, and more so just because of the importance of vision and map presence. Shaco's a really, really difficult champ to balance with his current skillset, and definitely anti-fun(I dislike the term, but it's very applicable here). Feast or famine champ, with a skillset that basically comes down to camping the shit out of a couple of lanes, and hoping enemy jungler isn't there to countergank. Even after 4 years of shaco, he's still my least favourite champion in the game. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
Alright, yeah, that guy is just attention whoring now. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On February 23 2015 10:41 Lord Tolkien wrote: Dear lord that latest thread on reddit. Alright, yeah, that guy is just attention whoring now. reddit at its cringiest | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
Like there's literally no point to it. The companies involved disagree (Twitch, Azubu), the player himself doesn't want it (Faker, pending official statement when he wakes up), and the developer is against it (and will both issue a DCMA immediately in response AND change their ToS)...so uh. But Reddit apparently likes to TAKE IT TO THE MANNNNN~ | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
I actuially dont understand this game right now. Like... What do you do after you take all their tier1 towers? I keep snowballing my team into a huge lead... then like I dont know how to close from there. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On February 23 2015 10:07 Amui wrote: Shaco's a really, really difficult champ to balance with his current skillset, and definitely anti-fun(I dislike the term, but it's very applicable here). Feast or famine champ, with a skillset that basically comes down to camping the shit out of a couple of lanes, and hoping enemy jungler isn't there to countergank. Even after 4 years of shaco, he's still my least favourite champion in the game. Shaco is what he is. The thing about Rek Sai, is she just has the ultimate Pro-Game kit. In pro games I'm watching and I feel like Burrowed-Q needs a 30 second cooldown when combined with Tremors. Her teammates actually defend her tunnel network and there is always an objective being contested so her ult's power seems maximized. Shes obviously a must pick/ban and IMO most regions are actually under-utilizing the kit based on some of the games out there. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On February 23 2015 11:21 iCanada wrote: Okay... I actuially dont understand this game right now. Like... What do you do when you take all their tier1 towers? Take objectives like Dragon. Or group up and push an outer. Or keep farming and keep them from taking your outers. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On February 23 2015 11:23 Lord Tolkien wrote: Take objectives like Dragon. Or group up and push an outer. Or keep farming and keep them from taking your outers. Its just weird... you cannot take control of a game you are way ahead. I hate it. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Alternatively you just bait nash if the game is at that point I guess. But you'd be surprised how much vision makes you not have to wonder about what to do because it provides with plenty of opportunities and then you just have to ride the tempo. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
So to me it's pretty clear that people play ranked to win. That's fine and I understand that. I also understand, that by extension, that I should be doing everything that I can to win. So then does that mean when I play ranked I have an obligation to pick champions who best fill our team composition, or to play champions who are flavor of the month? So to give an example, if I am first pick and I go ahead and pick Darius, am I doing the rest of my team a massive disservice with my choice in champion? Another way to frame my question is: Is it alright to play ranked to see how far you can make it with a particular champion? Or if I play ranked I should be there for the team and not myself. If I want to play Darius top I should go play normal games instead. And it's not a matter of lack of effort in game. In ranked I always try my hardest. But when the drafting occurs, what should my mindset be? I'm not sure if I framed my question correctly, so please ask if you're unsure what I am asking. Thanks in advance! | ||
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Ethelis
United States2400 Posts
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On February 23 2015 12:17 Frudgey wrote: Okay so I had a question about ranked match making. So to me it's pretty clear that people play ranked to win. That's fine and I understand that. I also understand, that by extension, that I should be doing everything that I can to win. So then does that mean when I play ranked I have an obligation to pick champions who best fill our team composition, or to play champions who are flavor of the month? So to give an example, if I am first pick and I go ahead and pick Darius, am I doing the rest of my team a massive disservice with my choice in champion? Another way to frame my question is: Is it alright to play ranked to see how far you can make it with a particular champion? Or if I play ranked I should be there for the team and not myself. If I want to play Darius top I should go play normal games instead. And it's not a matter of lack of effort in game. In ranked I always try my hardest. But when the drafting occurs, what should my mindset be? I'm not sure if I framed my question correctly, so please ask if you're unsure what I am asking. Thanks in advance! MMR is supposed to iron out issues such as the one you are bringing forth, but it's not perfect. I would play how you want, your MMR will show that in its own way. There will be games where something you did wasn't 'normal' and I guess that could fuck with the balance of that individual game, but so can just plain old performance variance, so I wouldn't worry about it. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On February 23 2015 12:17 Frudgey wrote: Another way to frame my question is: Is it alright to play ranked to see how far you can make it with a particular champion? Well golly, I certainly hope so. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
fotm picks are sometimes are just too op to matter solo/team like when Yasuo was strong. But then you also have picks that people don't really know why the pros do it but they pick it anyway because it must be the best I actually think Janna picks in lower elo or by non-support mains are a really strong example of this although I suspect some will disagree. tl;dr dominating your lane is a lot more important in solo than in pros, or Darius would be fotm imo | ||
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niukasu1990
1007 Posts
On February 23 2015 11:16 Lord Tolkien wrote: Like there's literally no point to it. The companies involved disagree (Twitch, Azubu), the player himself doesn't want it (Faker, pending official statement when he wakes up), and the developer is against it (and will both issue a DCMA immediately in response AND change their ToS)...so uh. But Reddit apparently likes to TAKE IT TO THE MANNNNN~ I would be extremely happy if the final episode is azubu falling down and Faker have to joined a LPL team. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On February 23 2015 13:02 Slusher wrote: to be honest much like the Rek'sai / shaco conversation earlier on this page, I think if someone were to make an accurate "tier list" for solo q all lane dominators, Darius included, would be a full tier higher than they are currently where people just play what the pros play. fotm picks are sometimes are just too op to matter solo/team like when Yasuo was strong. But then you also have picks that people don't really know why the pros do it but they pick it anyway because it must be the best I actually think Janna picks in lower elo or by non-support mains are a really strong example of this although I suspect some will disagree. tl;dr dominating your lane is a lot more important in solo than in pros, or Darius would be fotm imo Janna used to be the SoloQ queen. Rek Sai, once she is toned down, will be kind of like (to me) old Shen (must pick/ban 45-45% soloQ winrate) plus Jungle Elise (basically the same). Its all these tools that are tailor made for an environment of constant ward/counterward/wardclearing and threatening neutral objectives. And the fact that she doesn't need blue to keep up clear speed helps. Now, Rek Sai is still good in soloQ because her base values are still out of control, but I'm sure that will be gradually toned down (or crushed in fell swoop, Olaf style baby). | ||
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