EPT[Patch 5.1] Season 5 General Discussion - Page 48
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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loSleb
Austria1389 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On January 24 2015 04:21 loSleb wrote: Is damage dealt after or before resists? good question its pretty important for both damage dealt and taken | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
alaric pls | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
i think its hilarious that they give him this much regen honestly they could siphon some power back to his other skills by lowering his cds or something but it wouldn't be nearly as hilarious | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
are you like that guy who doesnt use ult on alistar until you are 10% hp? garen's cooldown problems stem from he fact that they start after the ability is finished, this cripples the effect of CDR honestly. I'd like if his CDs were a bit longer but they started from when you cast them. It's probably a bit toxic though because max CDR garen Q would be like max rank udyr E and he's already hard to catch. | ||
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Ethelis
United States2400 Posts
On January 24 2015 04:47 Slayer91 wrote: you're wrong, 30% more EHP is at its best whenever you take the maximum burst of damage. If you are at risk of going from 10k EHP to 0 then W gives you 3k more EHP. If you are at risk of going from 1k EHP to zero W gives you only 300 more EHP are you like that guy who doesnt use ult on alistar until you are 10% hp? garen's cooldown problems stem from he fact that they start after the ability is finished, this cripples the effect of CDR honestly. I'd like if his CDs were a bit longer but they started from when you cast them. It's probably a bit toxic though because max CDR garen Q would be like max rank udyr E and he's already hard to catch. It's kinda funny, i mentioned the CDR problem to my friend a week or 2 ago. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
I typically play garen without any CDR. The exception is sometimes I get a brutalizer as my other damage item after hexdrinker vs 2x AP comps. Even then LW outperforms it when they get zhonyas. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
its hard if its gnar but he's an op phage and should be banned if ok if you are competitive but are a bit behind in cs or a kill down or whatever, just don't get dominated. generally if you are behind you build tankier for teamfights as well, you just skip LW and get sunfire/hex/randuins maybe even skip hex | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On January 24 2015 04:47 Slayer91 wrote: you're wrong, 30% more EHP is at its best whenever you take the maximum burst of damage. If you are at risk of going from 10k EHP to 0 then W gives you 3k more EHP. If you are at risk of going from 1k EHP to zero W gives you only 300 more EHP are you like that guy who doesnt use ult on alistar until you are 10% hp? garen's cooldown problems stem from he fact that they start after the ability is finished, this cripples the effect of CDR honestly. I'd like if his CDs were a bit longer but they started from when you cast them. It's probably a bit toxic though because max CDR garen Q would be like max rank udyr E and he's already hard to catch. what? of course its strong as you are getting low in a fight because thats when the enemy will be focusing you. its good at the start of a fight because the tenacity. they aren't going to blow damage spells on you, just try to stop you from getting to the back. no one is going to syndra ult garen at the start of a fight so you use it either at the start for tenacity or near the end when you are starting to be focused. this is nothing like alistar ulti.i'm not saying save it until you are at 10% because thats stupid. but using it as you go in for the tenacity isn't really using his damage absorbing ability well, and using it late doesn't really use the tenacity. using it to prevent the disables from slowing you down and absorbing maybe 3% EHP in the process, or using it later when people are trying to kill you to get you off of them when it'll absorb 10-20% EHP but be useless tenacitywise. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
its a waste to use it for the tenacity alone most of the time you'll gain maybe 1 second but you'll die like 5 seconds faster you do realize that if you're at 500 HP, and use it, it's AT MOST as effective as using it at any other time, if you were going to take 500 damage within 4-5-6 seconds. Now if you aren't going to take 500 damage in those 4-5-6 seconds then the teamfight is lasting a hell of a long time and you'll get a second W regardless. A secondary but important point also it that low hp is when you get ignited, when is when your W is totally useless to you. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On January 24 2015 05:38 Slayer91 wrote: and how are they supposed to get you low hp without focusing you? its a waste to use it for the tenacity alone most of the time you'll gain maybe 1 second but you'll die like 5 seconds faster you do realize that if you're at 500 HP, and use it, it's AT MOST as effective as using it at any other time, if you were going to take 500 damage within 4-5-6 seconds. Now if you aren't going to take 500 damage in those 4-5-6 seconds then the teamfight is lasting a hell of a long time and you'll get a second W regardless. A secondary but important point also it that low hp is when you get ignited, when is when your W is totally useless to you. I'm not saying 500 hp, all you do is ascribe arbitrary numbers to argue against, but thats not the point of what i'm saying. but the main damage you will be receiving at high hp is incidental as a result of disables, then when you stick to your target they will be trying to kite you, when you get low enough people will switch their focus to you that value will depend on the fight, then you use W. if they never switch focus to you, then its fine to use it whenever i guess. you are suggesting only using the spell when you are about to be burst, which is one use yes and the use i'm talking about. but the secondary use is to use it when you will be CC'd in order to reduce the CC to practically nothing. the high cooldown of the ability prevents you from using it for that use and also the damage mitigation use. and thats against what riots philosophy on abilities is. | ||
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a1 Sovereign
Bulgaria67 Posts
The same logic for Kayle R is used here, in that you use it when it would absorb the most amount of damage. Chances are that without flash you arent reaching a carry anyway, so the tenacity isn't as important. | ||
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Sufroner
Spain119 Posts
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Kotfluegel
Germany49 Posts
On January 24 2015 06:44 Sufroner wrote: I keep getting added by an account named "LoLfreeX120" in EUW. When I accept him it instantly sends me a spam message for an elo boosting website and then deletes me from its friendlist. Has it happened to anyone else? Same guy tried to add me aswell. Didnt accept him though. You can already tell from the name it is spambot | ||
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