EPTTalking about a video that Thorin(LOL) made about mechanics/skill.
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
Talking about a video that Thorin(LOL) made about mechanics/skill. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
lost a game last night where I think I could have carried if I used my tp better, it's a lot harder than it looks on stream where your team just stands near baron as you push instead of starting it. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On December 28 2014 02:15 JonnyLaw wrote: Eli Manning has been the worst starting qb statistically for three or four years. He's built well and had an amazing defense with a botched call at the end of a Super Bowl which means he cannot be fired. I agree coaching and upbringing are important traits but Eli isn't your best example in US sports. If there was only one Manning son it's great example but Peyton has a brother in the NFL. The Mannings had three sons which would have gone to the NFL(the eldest brother was injured and never made it). Which is a pretty impressive pedigree and, as far as anecdata goes, definitely supports the point about family traditions; even if Eli is only the better brother in the Playoffs (and as shitty as Peyton is outside Eli might be better all around) That being said the real problem with coaching is that it takes time and most people looking to climb the ranks aren't willing to spend the kind of time required. The Mannings aren't good because of genes and access to their father (though that is one aspect) but because they practiced more than all the other kids when they were young. You simply aren't going to see people put 4 hours a day into methodical practice and study. I've given some self teaching advise here before and what is should explain(but don't) is that these methods will nearly quarter your soloqueue time. You simply can't analyze all your replays and get mechanical practice without taking that much time. And most people aren't willing to reduce their play time or quadruple their time invested/day. (Through those that do do get better) | ||
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padfoota
Taiwan1571 Posts
Worked for me. Works for most players tbh. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 28 2014 04:17 krndandaman wrote: some people are also uncoachable for ex. my bronze 4 friend who has probably over 2k games played and still refuses to accept the fact that hydra on nasus is bad. everyone is different. some people will get more utility out of coaching than others. jeez, i can't imagine someone being THAT bad. On December 28 2014 00:53 Volband wrote: Gold is a tier more than half of league's players could not reach. Read dozens of stories starting or mentioning "I watched [insert streamer here". Almost everyone I know and improved is like that. I was like that. Whenever I helped out bronze or silver players they - well ,those who cared - managed to improve very fast, despite having hundreds of games played already without any progress. If you just kept spamming league and magically found yourself in high diamond then you are a black sheep, and you should be thankful for your gift of abilities. I did not meet or heard anyone who just played himself into being good. That doesn't exist. I mean watching streamers is cool, and it does gives you some insights on stuff, but to be honest the progression of ranked has a lot to do with being able to be self critical. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On December 28 2014 04:33 Slusher wrote: for as long as LB is back she is a solid pick. lost a game last night where I think I could have carried if I used my tp better, it's a lot harder than it looks on stream where your team just stands near baron as you push instead of starting it. LeBlanc is almost never a good pick unless you're a pro player. She consistently has <50% win rates in all play but pro play and has since before the silence removal. Due to the nerfs to MP5 and chalice she is stronger than she used to be, but still pretty bad. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 28 2014 02:58 Scip wrote: hoooly shit just because some people are retarded enough to not understand how the process of learning by yourself works doesn't mean that watching challenger replays or coaching are the only ways to improve. Im not saying that having a coach is completely unhelpful, but you underestimate the fuck out of the possibility of learning by yourself. nobodys saying that mindless grind is the answer either, now you're just making shit up. Learning by yourself doesn't mean giving up on thinking. But what if someone just wants a quick fix way to get higher MMR and not spend the time to think about their own games, Scip? | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On December 28 2014 04:17 krndandaman wrote: some people are also uncoachable for ex. my bronze 4 friend who has probably over 2k games played and still refuses to accept the fact that hydra on nasus is bad. everyone is different. some people will get more utility out of coaching than others. This is the perfect example of everything you people are arguing about. 50% of the people who are shitters are people who refuse to acknowledge their mistakes, think they are the best and never think about how to improve (because they're the best, why would they.) The other 50% are full of people who either dont give a fuck anyway or dont play enough. It all comes down to shitty psychology in the end. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 28 2014 04:56 TheYango wrote: But what if someone just wants a quick fix way to get higher MMR and not spend the time to think about their own games, Scip? then you spam the fuck out of solo q with snowbally champions, eventually get lucky streak of 20 wins cuz game variance. so the only real move is "shut up and play" | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On December 28 2014 04:44 padfoota wrote: What the fuck happened to "shut the fuck up and play"? Worked for me. Works for most players tbh. See that is the thing. It actually doesn't work for most players. Clearly the most it can really work for, if we consider plat as the level of success is about 8% of the player base. If we consider diamond then it's 2-3%. I would suggest that almost all of the very best players do extensive "non-play" work since that is definitely what seems to differentiate the best teams from the next. What is more likely is that very few players seriously work at things and so, while the method isn't as good, most players at the top still got there "just playing" and so this wisdom trickles down. But the vast majority of people "just playing" hit a peak far below "high level play" regardless of how much they play. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On December 28 2014 04:11 nobodywonder wrote: Caitlyn is okay. Probably cuz double can't play Corki. His Lucian got bopped by Pinoy's Graves too. Double literally is spamming Corki everytime i tune in on his stream. CLG never played Corki since S2 at all, it's just about team in general and mentality. Also playing Corki into Graves is awks and if you don't want to waste ban on it, Krislund will play either of 2. On December 28 2014 04:24 Goumindong wrote: Cait is one of dlifts best ADs. Cait has a high mechanical requirement and also has the ability to win lane really hard. CLG is still, unfortunately, dlift focused and so dlift either needs champions he can leverage his mechanics on (cait->early lead->never stop fighting with advantage) or champions which have strong utility so that he doesn't have to farm as much and isn't as effected by the inevitable bottom lane camp. I don't think dlift likes Ashe/varus/sivir as much and the lack of dashes really hurt them against the common j4 jungle picks so it's harder to grab those high utility ADs compared to luc/corki/cait/graves. Of which cait has the advantage in lane against the other three(if only slightly) which means dlift can abuse his early mechanical/laning advantage Sivir is one of his favourites after rework and it's known that he just despises those Ashe/Varuses because it's same mentality as Tabzz has "i won't play those one-buttons shitters". | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On December 28 2014 04:44 padfoota wrote: What the fuck happened to "shut the fuck up and play"? Worked for me. Works for most players tbh. "I'm 0-10 what do i do?" "SHUT THE FUCK UP AND PLAY" On December 28 2014 05:06 TheYango wrote: On the original topic that started this discussion: holy fuck that book seems like a huge waste of money. Thanks for the confirmation <3 | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On December 28 2014 04:58 wei2coolman wrote: then you spam the fuck out of solo q with snowbally champions, eventually get lucky streak of 20 wins cuz game variance. so the only real move is "shut up and play" I wish my sarcasm-detector was better. My faith in humanity tells me to take it as a joke. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 28 2014 05:46 Volband wrote: I wish my sarcasm-detector was better. My faith in humanity tells me to take it as a joke. It's a joke. But it's also true. My friend had fluctuated from d5 to d1 because of how volatile his play is, and he played a fuckton. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On December 28 2014 06:00 krndandaman wrote: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/31141142#profile this isn't my friend, but a guy I added after seeing him be the star of many videos in the 'best of bronze' subreddit. dudes bronze 5 after probably 2k+ ranked games in his lifetime. I even duo'd with him once and it was hilarious. some people just can't get better at this game. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/19800413 IRL mate, he was bronze in s1/s2/s3 then finally made it to silver in S4. #Believe | ||
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