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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
I think the worst thing he's done (other than getting mad in the heat of the moment, like every other 20-something in the universe) is that BM towards Dignitas at PAX Regionals, and even then it was true. TSM stomped Dig and Scarra was johnsing. If Cloud 9 talked shit a few days ago about how badly they stomped TSM, I wouldn't be pissed because it was true. On the other hand, relative to this, and the fact that until he retired he was top 3 mid NA (not purely for laning, because that would be a lie, but the guy held TSM together really well in-game), he's received an absolute fuckton of hate from Reddit prepared to call him when he does literally anything. Even when he announced on his FB that he signed Bjergsen he was still getting hate. I get why people, when they first hear him, start to dislike him, but by now it's all just dumb Reddit confirmation bias-turned-hivemind. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
But other than that, for a group of 6 Twenty-something guys living in a house, many of whom are super lazy and probably sleep late, dont do dishes, or take out the trash (oh, and are filmed like half the day), TSM had fairly low levels of yelling, ragging, and bullying. One of my roommates had it way worse because he never did his dishes and left dirty laundry everywhere. Crap, I've had more awkward moments in high school seeing married couples arguing at a friends house. Edit: I think Regi hate is because of the internet's populace (reddit in particular) extreme anti-bullying stance, which is out of whack with what is actually bullying, because it is based on the opinions of people who think they were bullied a lot (they weren't, but thinking they were is part of their identity). | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
He is highly successful, while at the same time likened to a gorilla. The contradiction here is extremely displeasant to those with internalization of ostensible group organization. | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
On April 29 2014 12:10 xes wrote: Drawing on my academic pedigree of sociology journals, there is strong evidence that a lot of the disagreement comes from jealous because Reginald is not easily identified with and thus must be rationalized as an "other" to preserve the internal constructions of social order. He is highly successful, while at the same time likened to a gorilla. The contradiction here is extremely displeasant to those with internalization of ostensible group organization. Just like the Jews. Wait, what? | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On April 29 2014 12:10 xes wrote: Drawing on my academic pedigree of sociology journals, there is strong evidence that a lot of the disagreement comes from jealous because Reginald is not easily identified with and thus must be rationalized as an "other" to preserve the internal constructions of social order. He is highly successful, while at the same time likened to a gorilla. The contradiction here is extremely displeasant to those with internalization of ostensible group organization. + Show Spoiler + This doesn't reflect my actual feelings, but I wanted to post it anyway. Relevant part starts at 25s(why do youtube embeds not go to the timestamp? QQ). | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On April 29 2014 12:15 red_ wrote: + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmYkt2RkhsI&t=25s This doesn't reflect my actual feelings, but I wanted to post it anyway. Relevant part starts at 25s(why do youtube embeds not go to the timestamp? QQ). OK OK, I'm trying to understand this. So which one is Ketara and which one is Xes? And more importantly, am I Steve Carrell? | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On April 29 2014 12:08 cLutZ wrote: Regi is just playing the Regi haters now. I think at some point he was legitimately hot headed, and as his skills fell behind as a player he had trouble accepting that and lashed out once in a while. Now he is like a coach who says "always blame me", it works very well. But other than that, for a group of 6 Twenty-something guys living in a house, many of whom are super lazy and probably sleep late, dont do dishes, or take out the trash (oh, and are filmed like half the day), TSM had fairly low levels of yelling, ragging, and bullying. One of my roommates had it way worse because he never did his dishes and left dirty laundry everywhere. Crap, I've had more awkward moments in high school seeing married couples arguing at a friends house. Edit: I think Regi hate is because of the internet's populace (reddit in particular) extreme anti-bullying stance, which is out of whack with what is actually bullying, because it is based on the opinions of people who think they were bullied a lot (they weren't, but thinking they were is part of their identity). Regi and Leena don't live with the team anymore. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 29 2014 12:21 Gahlo wrote: Regi and Leena don't live with the team anymore. How is that relevant to the Regi "bullying incidents" which occurred when he did? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On April 29 2014 12:24 cLutZ wrote: How is that relevant to the Regi "bullying incidents" which occurred when he did? Felt like you brought it up like it's still an occurring thing, specifically with the current situation. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 29 2014 12:28 Gahlo wrote: Felt like you brought it up like it's still an occurring thing, specifically with the current situation. Are people making that claim? There is literally 0 evidence for that, its all reputation based on like 2-3 incidents from when they lived together. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On April 29 2014 12:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: OK OK, I'm trying to understand this. So which one is Ketara and which one is Xes? And more importantly, am I Steve Carrell? I'm not sure, but 2 people about to get clapped up. On April 29 2014 12:21 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Good to see that red's browsed Imgur in the last half-hour No I just love that scene. Is there something funny related to it I should be browsing on imgur though? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On April 29 2014 12:31 cLutZ wrote: Are people making that claim? There is literally 0 evidence for that, its all reputation based on like 2-3 incidents from when they lived together. Pls. This is the internet. When that episode of Gamecribs came out people were swearing up and down that Regi did nothing but hover around Xpecial and make him cry. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
I guess I am just pro-bullies, by internet standards. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
There are all sorts of justifications being made about why that's okay. He's very successful, and perhaps his attitude reinforces that success. Maybe everybody else in his general vicinity is also a dick. Maybe the people he's a dick to deserve it. Maybe he's not always so bad and the internet has just put him in a bad light. Any or all of these things may be at least partially true. But he's still a dick. Personally, I don't like him because I, in general, don't like people who act like that. What especially bothers me is that Regi is an athelete/manager who competes for America on an international level, which means that on some level when he's a dick, he is representing me and my country to the rest of the world in doing so. I don't like that. It's the same reason why I never liked IdrA, although that was much more direct and blatant. Maybe I'm being too harsh in that assessment but that's how I feel about the guy. Regardless, what I do think is interesting about the whole thing is that if Regi's attitude WASN'T such a matter of public debate, this whole Xpecial getting benched thing wouldn't be anywhere near this big a conversation topic. When rosters change on other teams people don't talk about it this much. But TSM has such a reputation for drama that when it happens there it's suddenly what everybody is talking about and everybody has to make a video blog explaining what happened. And Xes, I appreciate it. Sorry for flipping out. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On April 29 2014 11:29 xes wrote: How is calling you outraged and indignant a "childish personal attack?" To use your words, "it's basically a statement of fact." You admittedly already don't like Reginald, and the conversation order was "Xpecial benched" -> "Ketara says reginald is an asshole" as if somehow this event triggered you to remember that you don't like Regi because he must be an asshole. I personally think he acts like a huge oaf, and it seems that when he's provoked he quickly goes from Bromacia into Ragnarok mode, but the allegations that he goes around bullying TSM seems pretty tenuous. Especially since doing your "literally pages of videos of Reginald bullying" doesn't really bring up MULTIPLE videos but only the Dyrus "shut up" vs Reginald "yo apologize to me" where both members go full Ragnarock. There is also one from Gamecribs where Xpecial tries to get into a pendantic argument with Mr Oaf, but that one peters out and also its GAMECRIBS. Like Regi calls it as it is, so maybe that comes off as harassment? But then you'd have to say he bullies himself when he's like "yo dudes I'm retiring cuz I'm not cutting it for TSM." Iirc the public reaction to the dyrus fight was one of the things that caused Regi to reevaluate his position on TSM. It's possible that his behavior didn't improve or that it only did for a bit but I would be surprised. Pre-retire Regi was manager, coach, and player. Now he just manages. That is a big load off and removes him from a lot of the drama surrounding the team. He can talk about improving mechanics and champion lineups without being subject to negative feelings due to his own mistakes that need correcting. It's hard to fault his judgement here considering he has not made a roster mistake yet besides staying on mid longer than he should have. Frankly I watched the first 20 second of that xpecial video and said "yup bench him". If you lose your job and you're talking about it there are three ways to go about that 1) " I fucked up time to fix it" 2) "I don't know why I lost me job" or 3) "I know why and I don't care". Xpecial did none of those. His head cannot be in the right spot needed to play at this level if his first thought isn't "time to fix it" | ||
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