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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On March 25 2014 06:07 SagaZ wrote: pretty sure at that time junglers were tanky stuff like jarvan or maokai oracles bots with gp5 LOL Oracles bots. Good times, good times. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On March 25 2014 06:07 SagaZ wrote: pretty sure at that time junglers were tanky stuff like jarvan or maokai oracles bots with gp5 I think at that time rito were like going "Too many GP5 tank junglers, let's get some assassins in there" and the results were rango, kha'zix and elise at least that's what I assumed from that stretch of sudden high burst champions intended for jungle but instead ended up being three of the most borked champs ever. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
Most blade of the ruined king'ed? o_O | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On March 25 2014 06:10 Zergneedsfood wrote: Most borked? Most blade of the ruined king'ed? o_O Like broken, but in borked English. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
On March 25 2014 06:03 lefty wrote: He still has wave clear if you go Hydra and many people still do, but he no longer has a stupid AOE waveclear from 700 range anymore. No where did I say that the heal "pushed him over the edge in to OP". It's just one of the many things part of his kit that I am baffled by. I say that he is a stupid champion because he has everything relative to other champions. Oh did I mention his damage reduction, and no collision in his kit as well? It's stupid. When you have everything, of course he is "interesting" with many different play styles. Lane Khazix has clearly defined strengths and weaknesses, and a smart lane allocation, depending on which team, will lead to the Khazix getting a good advantage or getting shut down. And lane Khazix is the only realistic scenario where he will be farming up a Hydra, and I'm completely fine with that. Khazix jungle looking OP is a side function of how the new jungle item works + isolation's Wight interaction. It's not something that's inherent to Khazix. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On March 25 2014 06:09 Zergneedsfood wrote: LOL Oracles bots. Good times, good times. i miss the good old days heart of gold philo stone, sit on oracles for 45 minutes as Udyr and go around loling at wards good times On March 25 2014 06:14 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Lane Khazix has clearly defined strengths and weaknesses, and a smart lane allocation, depending on which team, will lead to the Khazix getting a good advantage or getting shut down. And lane Khazix is the only realistic scenario where he will be farming up a Hydra, and I'm completely fine with that. Khazix jungle looking OP is a side function of how the new jungle item works + isolation's Wight interaction. It's not something that's inherent to Khazix. It is ridiculous when you have isolated claws + lizard eldar you can drop like 900 damage isolations on dragon and solo it retarded fast tbh | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
This patch ruined Kha and he is now a free elo train that is not fun to play. Soon they are going to give Kat a ranged aa so she has the same power curve as other mid laners also no more resets on E/R. | ||
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On March 25 2014 06:10 Zergneedsfood wrote: Most borked? Most blade of the ruined king'ed? o_O American idiom which entered the vernacular when Robert Bork was denied entrance to the SCOTUS in 1987. It has come to mean "ruined or broken intentionally" as words meanings often change with use. | ||
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lefty
United States1896 Posts
On March 25 2014 06:14 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Lane Khazix has clearly defined strengths and weaknesses, and a smart lane allocation, depending on which team, will lead to the Khazix getting a good advantage or getting shut down. And lane Khazix is the only realistic scenario where he will be farming up a Hydra, and I'm completely fine with that. Khazix jungle looking OP is a side function of how the new jungle item works + isolation's Wight interaction. It's not something that's inherent to Khazix. I'm still having trouble understanding why he's "one of the most interesting champion riot ever released." Maybe by "interesting", do you mean overpowered? Khazix/Rengar/Elise suffer from the same issue where they were stupidly broken champions on release, took a patch or so to get understood, then got nerfed on pretty much every ability, forced out of intended roles to other positions and are still able to maintain relevancy because of their stupidly superior kits. You mention the jungle items, but I'm not sure what your argument is. Are you suggesting because he isn't the only one who benefit's from the newly changed jungle items that it's okay? My two cents on Khazix. I don't have anything else to say on this matter. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On March 25 2014 05:08 wei2coolman wrote: Sivir without a zerg teamcomp plays out pretty similar to lucian imo. I'm sorry, but if you could explain what you mean by this to me I'd really like to know what you mean. To mean, that statement, generically stated, is: If you ignore champion X's defining feature, it plays like champion Y which is a generic Jack-of-all-Trades champion. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 25 2014 06:31 cLutZ wrote: I'm sorry, but if you could explain what you mean by this to me I'd really like to know what you mean. To mean, that statement, generically stated, is: If you ignore champion X's defining feature, it plays like champion Y which is a generic Jack-of-all-Trades champion. Only few weak lanes. Draven and cait. Otherwise does well in all other lanes. Overall generically solid laner. Has solid self peel with ulti/spellshield. Frontloaded damage with q-ricochet, similar to lucian burst with his q-passive-w-passive stuff. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
On March 25 2014 06:29 lefty wrote: I'm still having trouble understanding why he's "one of the most interesting champion riot ever released." Maybe by "interesting", do you mean overpowered? Khazix/Rengar/Elise suffer from the same issue where they were stupidly broken champions on release, took a patch or so to get understood, then got nerfed on pretty much every ability, forced out of intended roles to other positions and are still able to maintain relevancy because of their stupidly superior kits. You mention the jungle items, but I'm not sure what your argument is. Are you suggesting because he isn't the only one who benefit's from the newly changed jungle items that it's okay? My two cents on Khazix. I don't have anything else to say on this matter. He's strong, not overpowred. He doesn't, despite what you may think, do everything. He has strengths and weaknesses, and is probably one of the most diversified characters right now with playstyles that are fairly unique while being strong, which is something that is generally sorely lacking in League. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
This is completely different than say, S3 Kha and Zed, who you couldn't play against because they had A - strong waveclear that let them lane without actually interacting with the enemy laner, B - Ranged harass for when they couldn't engage, C - Enough engage and burst to kill the other guy really whenever they wanted, and D - the ability to disengage out of a fight after killing somebody, which older Assassins like Talon couldn't really do. Basically they took A and B away, and now suddenly he's a neato champion instead of being stupid. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On March 25 2014 06:21 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: The burden is on the enemy team to control vision knowing there's a Khazix, or set traps for him when he goes for it. Soloing dragon as Khazix is a very risky play at the competitive level, and you really don't see it that much. The risk-reward is fine. And again, as you mentioned, it's enabled by the jungle items, not necessarily just Khazix alone. can u be more biased? khazix is beyond broken right now pretty much every pro player said that after IEM but no its better to hate and whine on lee sin l0l | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
On March 25 2014 06:54 kongoline wrote: can u be more biased? khazix is beyond broken right now pretty much every pro player said that after IEM but no its better to hate and whine on lee sin l0l Don't even play Kha. Got him for free off a skin code, played ~5 games? of him. Also I don't care what pro players say lol LCS players have historically shown a terrible understanding of the game followed by complete 180s. Not all of them of course but it's not a rare occurrence. If you look at the league that matters (Champions), you'll see of the 24 games played so far, Kha'zix has made an appearance in 18 of the 24 games, but primarily as a pick and not a ban, (and when as a pick, only around 1/3 of the times as a first pick instead of some majority number) proving that he's strong but not overbearingly so. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
On March 25 2014 07:10 kongoline wrote: watch steams of pro junglers right now every single one of them is spamming games with khazix to learn how to play and abuse him before he gets nerfed Because as everyone knows, NA solo queue jungling is an accurate reflection of competitive play. | ||
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