EPT[Patch 3.11] General Discussion - Page 290
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On September 27 2013 21:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: good fizz will roflstomp cho mid, cho is a super weak laner when fizz is at his strongest After playing it I have to say I disagree. Cho isn't a weak laner when put mid. If you get some Vorpal Spikes leveled up early on with your W you can out trade Fizz. Your autos chunk him for more. Your Silence stops his mobility. I would be down to play the match up with Atrioc, the diamond 1 fizz player, sometime. See if im right or wrong. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 27 2013 22:40 oneofthem wrote: lissandra is pretty good utility wise but she's not op in any capacity. kind of like orianna but more mobile Liss honestly feels like Annie but with more mobility, more utility, and slightly less burst. They play somewhat similar (I hit 6, I'm looking to all in you), and zipping around with her E on low cooldown is great. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
Oh and also im getting like 4-5 mintues que lol. I'm new enough to this elo that I can not be bothered by it yet. And can appreciate the fact that im in a higher elo. But im sure it gets old fast D: | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On September 27 2013 22:43 jcarlsoniv wrote: Liss honestly feels like Annie but with more mobility, more utility, and slightly less burst. They play somewhat similar (I hit 6, I'm looking to all in you), and zipping around with her E on low cooldown is great. Soniv who would you say in your experience counters Liss? | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 27 2013 22:44 jaybrundage wrote: Soniv who would you say in your experience counters Liss? Haven't found a distinct counter yet because people just keep face picking Ahri into Liss. I feel like Kass could be a rough matchup if I don't get ahead early. And even then, it's Kass. The matchups I find more awkward (not really counters) are the more standard mages that farm from distance and outrange me. Liss is great against assassins and gap closers, but if she always has to use E to close the distance, it's quite a bit of damage that she's losing. Lux was a pretty rough matchup. Brand was fine, although the Brand player was really bad. Morgana is annoying, as usual. Haven't encountered too much variety though. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 27 2013 22:35 Fusilero wrote: The mines and knockback are very disruptive in a fight if it's well positioned. Lissandra is very strong, I wonder why she's not been played at worlds though I thought she does fine against assassins. Xpeke played her I believe spoilers | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
I believe it was Soaz... twice. I think Dade also did so to a... lesser extent. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 27 2013 22:49 jcarlsoniv wrote: Haven't found a distinct counter yet because people just keep face picking Ahri into Liss. I feel like Kass could be a rough matchup if I don't get ahead early. And even then, it's Kass. The matchups I find more awkward (not really counters) are the more standard mages that farm from distance and outrange me. Liss is great against assassins and gap closers, but if she always has to use E to close the distance, it's quite a bit of damage that she's losing. Lux was a pretty rough matchup. Brand was fine, although the Brand player was really bad. Morgana is annoying, as usual. Haven't encountered too much variety though. Viktor is a counter :3 | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
I almost listed Viktor, but I don't even enough definitive data to actually make that call =P | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 27 2013 22:52 jcarlsoniv wrote: I almost listed Viktor, but I don't even enough definitive data to actually make that call =P The fact that I didn't lose lane horribly and only died once and I have all of 4 Viktor games should be decent data but yeah I need to play Viktor more what a fun champ. I did a Rylai/Power Core/Liandry's kinda tank/utility Viktor and still got a double kill in a dive due to fucking burst and chunking shit. His damage is complete bonkers even without a DC/VS build. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 27 2013 22:54 NeoIllusions wrote: Not enough Liss in IHs imoimo. Sorry, been busy trying to combat clamping. spoilers: it's not going well On September 27 2013 22:55 Requizen wrote: The fact that I didn't lose lane horribly and only died once and I have all of 4 Viktor games should be decent data but yeah I need to play Viktor more what a fun champ. I did a Rylai/Power Core/Liandry's kinda tank/utility Viktor and still got a double kill in a dive due to fucking burst and chunking shit. His damage is complete bonkers even without a DC/VS build. Yes and no. I was shoving you really fucking hard. I contemplated diving you a few times, but didn't have perfect ward coverage and didn't want to risk missing something under tower and throwing away my entire advantage. I had you beat pretty hard on cs and did get that early kill on you at 6. With a fully E max Viktor it might be a different story and I would be interested in trying it. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On September 27 2013 22:57 obesechicken13 wrote: I remember a video where Faker or someone was playing fizz and they abused his range over another melee opponent mid (gragas?) to get free autos. It was like the most broken thing ever to have that little latency you can get away with free autos on 50 range. faker fizz vs yahoodotcom kassadin i think. it's on youtube + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 27 2013 23:04 Requizen wrote: Well that's also because I'm horrible lol It's a matchup I would like to experience again. Vik and Liss get strong at similar points in the game, but I think Liss may be able to outpush Viktor at ~4 or 5 because her passive makes mana sustain a bit better, while Vik can go through a lot of mana early if he's trying to resist a hard pusher. Not really sure to be honest. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9252 Posts
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