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[OGN Summer] The Finals: SKT T1 vs. KT Bullets - Page 2

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mel_ee
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
2448 Posts
August 31 2013 06:05 GMT
#21
Great read! Cant wait for SKT to take it!
Behold the bold soldier, control the globe slowly proceeds to blow swingin swords like Shinobi
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
August 31 2013 06:30 GMT
#22
On August 31 2013 14:33 eideln wrote:
Long time follower of LoL esports. First time reader of a TL article.

I was impressed by the content of the article, but I think your editor needs to be much more thorough.


Yeah nobody proofread my part. I thought Fionn will give it to Seuss to check. Will make sure that the next articles will be checked.
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
fasdaf
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
138 Posts
August 31 2013 06:35 GMT
#23
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The semifinals were not only a clash between the strongest teams in Korea but also a clash between generations. CJ Entus Frost is a team that seemed to have a place in the Finals reserved each time ever since the first OGN Champions in Spring 2012. This season was the first for Frost with major changes in their lineup. They swapped out Muse for Space and added Ganked By Mom as a substitute for Rapidstar. Frost had a good start and once again reached the Semifinals where they met the KT Bullets. The KT Bullets increased the strength of their roster with the transfer of InSec into the toplane and KaKAO into the Jungle from KT A. In addition, KT B faced the brother team of Frost in the quarterfinal. Frost had a lot of data and game experience against KT B, so they had a very good opportunity to be prepared but instead showed the same mistakes and weaknesses as Blaze one week before.

InSec won the top lane against Shy without much trouble, a feat made easier when Frost left his strongest champions in top lane unbanned and unpicked. He was able to deny any possible pressure from Shy and on the other hand turned the pressure around onto Frost. With one of their core pillars disabled and the Bullets' interesting strategy of banning out Madlife's “play-making” champions, Frost was already at a big disadvantage. It was evident that KT Rolster B came prepared to fight against Frost. Shy picked Shen into a bad matchup against Zac for three straight games, resulting in him being at a distinct disadvantage, yet there was no change in strategy by CJ Entus Frost. This stubbornness suggests that CJ Entus Frost may be a second “one trick warhorse” like CJ Entus Blaze. If so, then this could be a failing caused by the training in the CJ Entus house. Their strategy works against weaker teams who are not on the same level mechanically as the CJ Teams and do not possess the ability to find the errors in their play, but against the new upcoming top teams like SK Telecom T1, KT Bullets, and MVP Ozone that have coaches and a similar training structure allowing them to spot every small mistake and exploit it, the CJ teams will continue to lose.

Another issue could be that Frost may have taken it for granted that they will qualify since they think they are the best in Korea because of their past results. When newer teams appear, teams that are hungrier for victory, that work harder and push each other into higher levels of play, like what has happened in Korea with the creation of new teams like KT Rolster and SKT T1, those that are content to rest on their laurels will quickly find themselves surpassed. This has been seen even on the individual level, as when a player is not able to show results he will be switched out for somebody who works harder, plays better, and shows better results. In addition the already existing rivalry between those two teams spurred an even more cruel fight over the League of Legends throne in Korea.

Overconfidence in their own abilities could well be an issue with older teams in Korea. I am sure everybody who follows OGN saw the pre-match trash talk between MVP Ozone and SKT T1. Ozone started with a strong game against SKT T1, but Faker and company were able to focus once more and regain the momentum to turn the series around. In addition, MVP Ozone's solo laners were outclassed, and with their confidence crushed after game two, they stood no chance against SKT T1. MVP Ozone have in Homme the oldest player in the Korean League of Legends scene, and he was outplayed by Impact in every game. This could be a sign that a newer, younger generation with better mechanics will overthrow the first generation of League of Legends players, or perhaps the older players just need to realize that they are no longer the top dogs by default, because there are hungrier and more vicious dogs out there. In any case, the time of being overconfident is over because only one who strives to improve himself further and further will come out on top. Nontheless, we as viewers are in for a good time because the skill level will rise higher and higher in the upcoming seasons.


Here's my quick edit of Chexx's bit. Some parts didn't make sense, so I omitted them.

I also spotted a typo where "reigns" was used instead of "reins" in GTR's part.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
August 31 2013 07:15 GMT
#24
The history lesson was a true blast to the past, cant wait for the finals which are in just a few hours, SKT and Fionn fighting!
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
August 31 2013 07:22 GMT
#25
On August 31 2013 15:35 fasdaf wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
The semifinals were not only a clash between the strongest teams in Korea but also a clash between generations. CJ Entus Frost is a team that seemed to have a place in the Finals reserved each time ever since the first OGN Champions in Spring 2012. This season was the first for Frost with major changes in their lineup. They swapped out Muse for Space and added Ganked By Mom as a substitute for Rapidstar. Frost had a good start and once again reached the Semifinals where they met the KT Bullets. The KT Bullets increased the strength of their roster with the transfer of InSec into the toplane and KaKAO into the Jungle from KT A. In addition, KT B faced the brother team of Frost in the quarterfinal. Frost had a lot of data and game experience against KT B, so they had a very good opportunity to be prepared but instead showed the same mistakes and weaknesses as Blaze one week before.

InSec won the top lane against Shy without much trouble, a feat made easier when Frost left his strongest champions in top lane unbanned and unpicked. He was able to deny any possible pressure from Shy and on the other hand turned the pressure around onto Frost. With one of their core pillars disabled and the Bullets' interesting strategy of banning out Madlife's “play-making” champions, Frost was already at a big disadvantage. It was evident that KT Rolster B came prepared to fight against Frost. Shy picked Shen into a bad matchup against Zac for three straight games, resulting in him being at a distinct disadvantage, yet there was no change in strategy by CJ Entus Frost. This stubbornness suggests that CJ Entus Frost may be a second “one trick warhorse” like CJ Entus Blaze. If so, then this could be a failing caused by the training in the CJ Entus house. Their strategy works against weaker teams who are not on the same level mechanically as the CJ Teams and do not possess the ability to find the errors in their play, but against the new upcoming top teams like SK Telecom T1, KT Bullets, and MVP Ozone that have coaches and a similar training structure allowing them to spot every small mistake and exploit it, the CJ teams will continue to lose.

Another issue could be that Frost may have taken it for granted that they will qualify since they think they are the best in Korea because of their past results. When newer teams appear, teams that are hungrier for victory, that work harder and push each other into higher levels of play, like what has happened in Korea with the creation of new teams like KT Rolster and SKT T1, those that are content to rest on their laurels will quickly find themselves surpassed. This has been seen even on the individual level, as when a player is not able to show results he will be switched out for somebody who works harder, plays better, and shows better results. In addition the already existing rivalry between those two teams spurred an even more cruel fight over the League of Legends throne in Korea.

Overconfidence in their own abilities could well be an issue with older teams in Korea. I am sure everybody who follows OGN saw the pre-match trash talk between MVP Ozone and SKT T1. Ozone started with a strong game against SKT T1, but Faker and company were able to focus once more and regain the momentum to turn the series around. In addition, MVP Ozone's solo laners were outclassed, and with their confidence crushed after game two, they stood no chance against SKT T1. MVP Ozone have in Homme the oldest player in the Korean League of Legends scene, and he was outplayed by Impact in every game. This could be a sign that a newer, younger generation with better mechanics will overthrow the first generation of League of Legends players, or perhaps the older players just need to realize that they are no longer the top dogs by default, because there are hungrier and more vicious dogs out there. In any case, the time of being overconfident is over because only one who strives to improve himself further and further will come out on top. Nontheless, we as viewers are in for a good time because the skill level will rise higher and higher in the upcoming seasons.


Here's my quick edit of Chexx's bit. Some parts didn't make sense, so I omitted them.

I also spotted a typo where "reigns" was used instead of "reins" in GTR's part.


Used. Thank you very much.
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Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 07:50:39
August 31 2013 07:50 GMT
#26
great article. Now I'm on the hype train.
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Misacampo
Profile Joined July 2012
167 Posts
August 31 2013 07:54 GMT
#27
You spelt boxer's name wrong...
Lenwe
Profile Joined March 2008
Netherlands757 Posts
August 31 2013 08:10 GMT
#28
If the finals are as good as this season's articles we are in for an excellent afternoon.

Thanks for all the hard work!

Faker Fighting!
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
August 31 2013 08:49 GMT
#29
On August 31 2013 16:54 Misacampo wrote:
You spelt boxer's name wrong...


I think it depends on the method of romanization. Even BoxeR's wikipedia page for has two different ways of spelling his name.
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Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
August 31 2013 09:08 GMT
#30
Wow so much to read, this must have taken quite a long time to prepare! Very interesting read though.
"Alán Shore" and "August Terran" @ LoL EUW - liquidparty
LuckyMacro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1482 Posts
August 31 2013 09:13 GMT
#31
"Legend? I beat a God to get up here"

THAT SMACK TALK.
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
August 31 2013 09:17 GMT
#32
Poll: Who will win the battle of telecommunication giants?

SKT T1 (6)
 
75%

KT B (2)
 
25%

8 total votes

Your vote: Who will win the battle of telecommunication giants?

(Vote): KT B
(Vote): SKT T1



votes away!
Pure fan
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
August 31 2013 09:30 GMT
#33
So, SKT to 3-0 this. They've got Rain after all...
@followMVT
Ebzy
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom153 Posts
August 31 2013 09:52 GMT
#34
On August 31 2013 18:30 MVTaylor wrote:
So, SKT to 3-0 this. They've got Rain after all...


What?

Really outstanding writing. Thank you!
Demuslim, TLO, D.Appolo <3
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
August 31 2013 09:58 GMT
#35
On August 31 2013 18:52 Ebzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 18:30 MVTaylor wrote:
So, SKT to 3-0 this. They've got Rain after all...


What?

Really outstanding writing. Thank you!


God damn, anyone would think I'm on a sub section of the premier starcraft website or something...

Sigh

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Rain_(Korean_Protoss)
@followMVT
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 31 2013 10:11 GMT
#36
On August 31 2013 18:58 MVTaylor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 18:52 Ebzy wrote:
On August 31 2013 18:30 MVTaylor wrote:
So, SKT to 3-0 this. They've got Rain after all...


What?

Really outstanding writing. Thank you!


God damn, anyone would think I'm on a sub section of the premier starcraft website or something...

Sigh

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Rain_(Korean_Protoss)

Maru shit on him, what's your point?
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
August 31 2013 10:15 GMT
#37
On August 31 2013 19:11 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 18:58 MVTaylor wrote:
On August 31 2013 18:52 Ebzy wrote:
On August 31 2013 18:30 MVTaylor wrote:
So, SKT to 3-0 this. They've got Rain after all...


What?

Really outstanding writing. Thank you!


God damn, anyone would think I'm on a sub section of the premier starcraft website or something...

Sigh

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Rain_(Korean_Protoss)

Maru shit on him, what's your point?


They're playing in an outdoor venue, it's raining, SKT are involved. Rain is on their team.

Clearly this was far too cerebral for this forum section though,
@followMVT
Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
August 31 2013 10:20 GMT
#38
Or a SC2 joke during a League finals was a little misplaced.

Comedy relies heavily on timing, after all.
Teamwork is awesome... As long as your team is doing all the work!
W2
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1177 Posts
August 31 2013 10:25 GMT
#39
I thought it was clever.

Who was the kpop group that performed earlier?
Hi
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 31 2013 10:29 GMT
#40
On August 31 2013 19:15 MVTaylor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 19:11 HazMat wrote:
On August 31 2013 18:58 MVTaylor wrote:
On August 31 2013 18:52 Ebzy wrote:
On August 31 2013 18:30 MVTaylor wrote:
So, SKT to 3-0 this. They've got Rain after all...


What?

Really outstanding writing. Thank you!


God damn, anyone would think I'm on a sub section of the premier starcraft website or something...

Sigh

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Rain_(Korean_Protoss)

Maru shit on him, what's your point?


They're playing in an outdoor venue, it's raining, SKT are involved. Rain is on their team.

Clearly this was far too cerebral for this forum section though,

I noticed the joke, but it makes no sense after how he did at OSL. k lol we're just dumb and you're an enlightened starcraft poster.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
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