• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:53
CEST 21:53
KST 04:53
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues29LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments3
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
Soulkey on ASL S20 A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL20 General Discussion Pros React To: SoulKey's 5-Peat Challenge
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group D [ASL20] Ro16 Group C [Megathread] Daily Proleagues SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Borderlands 3 Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1276 users

[Patch 3.08: Aatrox Patch] General Discussion - Page 352

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 350 351 352 353 354 380 Next
Interested in helping start an on-topic, serious League discussion thread? PM Neo to talk about how to get started.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
July 08 2013 07:34 GMT
#7021
You know, just because they might not be crazy about the insights of Ozone's coach don't mean they wouldn't piss themselves for a Doublelift or a Reginald interview.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 08 2013 07:35 GMT
#7022
On July 08 2013 16:34 Osmoses wrote:
You know, just because they might not be crazy about the insights of Ozone's coach don't mean they wouldn't piss themselves for a Doublelift or a Reginald interview.

Implying there isn't a doublelift interview every week by Travis;
liftlift > tsm
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35159 Posts
July 08 2013 07:36 GMT
#7023
On July 08 2013 16:34 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 16:33 Gahlo wrote:
On July 08 2013 16:27 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 08 2013 16:25 Osmoses wrote:
I totally get it. I watch the LCS and I love the game and I want the scene to grow, but I personally honestly don't really care what Ozone's coach has to say about anything, and whenever they put a progamer in front of a camera to say anything it more often than not tends to be awkward and/or uninteresting.

A progamer actually playing the game is like a clumsy, fat sea-lion once it reaches the water; it suddenly becomes graceful and impressive, and that's what I'm in it for.

The joke is that everyone is asking for VoDs and shit; when the joke is that OGN has VoDs on a paid subscription for very cheap; and great analysis by Monte; and our staff. The stuff is out there; but redditors actually don't fucking want it. They just say they want it. Otherwise they would've already known all of this.

They just want it for free. Ingrates.

It's like it isn't restreamed twice; at very convenient hours.

Most people don't know to look for restreams, so that's an issue of poor communication on both sides. Just recently downvoted and reported a thread advertising a program to dl and bypass the paywall. -_-
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 07:38:07
July 08 2013 07:36 GMT
#7024
On July 08 2013 16:25 Osmoses wrote:
I totally get it. I watch the LCS and I love the game and I want the scene to grow, but I personally honestly don't really care what Ozone's coach has to say about anything, and whenever they put a progamer in front of a camera to say anything it more often than not tends to be awkward and/or uninteresting.

A progamer actually playing the game is like a clumsy, fat sea-lion once it reaches the water; it suddenly becomes graceful and impressive, and that's what I'm in it for.

I mean that's fine, not everyone has to be super invested in the pro scene. It's just weird that all these people claim that they want this content but many of them would never take the time to even read it anyway. This content already exists in many forms but a lot of the people in that thread comment in ways that make them seem unaware of it.

Edit: Also I think the fact it's Ozone's coach is partially irrelevant, if he has interviewed imp it probably would have gotten a similar response since he is relatively unknown by the general r/lol populace.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 07:41:36
July 08 2013 07:40 GMT
#7025
Well to be fair I think Neo kind of blew it with the post title on that one....yeah its accurate but nobody wants to click on:

"TeamLiquid Exclusive Interview with MVP Ozone/Blue Coach, Im Hyun-seok. Coaching decisions, life at the team house, and upcoming players to the MVP lineup in the future."

That title is TLDR. You should have called it like:

"Teamliquid Exclusive: Life on a Korean Pro-Team!"

or

"Teamliquid Exclusive: Korean Pro-Team Coach Calls NA and EU Trash!"

get like 5x the views imoimo, gotta up your sensationalism.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
July 08 2013 07:41 GMT
#7026
Imp interview would get alot of more upvotes just because of his "feud" with doublelift
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
July 08 2013 07:41 GMT
#7027
Gragas, according to LoLking atm, is like the 8th lowest win rate % champ. Has he gotten nerfed in recent months? I just played a game with him and he felt the same as I left him. Is it more about the meta w/ the number of AD bruisers he is likely to face or something or has he fallen out of favor so just nobody plays him worth a damn anymore?
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 07:43:51
July 08 2013 07:43 GMT
#7028
Reddit has a short memory, they probably forgot already. Even if they didn't they probably wouldn't even know what team he was on. Maybe if OGN didn't have a paywall they would huehue. Alright I'm done, no more Reddit bashing for now.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
July 08 2013 07:43 GMT
#7029
On July 08 2013 16:41 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Gragas, according to LoLking atm, is like the 8th lowest win rate % champ. Has he gotten nerfed in recent months? I just played a game with him and he felt the same as I left him. Is it more about the meta w/ the number of AD bruisers he is likely to face or something or has he fallen out of favor so just nobody plays him worth a damn anymore?


Iirc Mima played him in OGN and wrecked everybody. So I would say people just forgot about him.
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
July 08 2013 07:45 GMT
#7030
On July 08 2013 16:43 Chexx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 16:41 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Gragas, according to LoLking atm, is like the 8th lowest win rate % champ. Has he gotten nerfed in recent months? I just played a game with him and he felt the same as I left him. Is it more about the meta w/ the number of AD bruisers he is likely to face or something or has he fallen out of favor so just nobody plays him worth a damn anymore?


Iirc Mima played him in OGN and wrecked everybody. So I would say people just forgot about him.

Scarra played him a lot last split but recently has stopped. Also lest we forget inSec on Jungle Gragas! Gragas in viable but just not played a lot. Also his ult can easily fuck up team fights if you're not careful.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
July 08 2013 07:47 GMT
#7031
Gragas is hard I think, and a bunch of nabby fans playing him because they saw their fav pro do it will inevitably drive down his win %.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 07:51:21
July 08 2013 07:49 GMT
#7032
On July 08 2013 16:41 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Gragas, according to LoLking atm, is like the 8th lowest win rate % champ. Has he gotten nerfed in recent months? I just played a game with him and he felt the same as I left him. Is it more about the meta w/ the number of AD bruisers he is likely to face or something or has he fallen out of favor so just nobody plays him worth a damn anymore?


He's never had a very high winrate as far as I know. He's much stronger in organized play than in soloque for a few reasons.

1. He's got good burst but really bad sustained damage in teamfights, teams have to instantly capitalize on his combo.
2. He doesnt carry too well unless you get obscenely fed. You do your QR and that has to be enough damage to win the teamfight. If it is, great. If not, then there isn't much else you can do.
3. His barrel is relatively hard to hit, hard champs lose because the average player sucks (see syndra).
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 08 2013 07:49 GMT
#7033
On July 08 2013 16:40 sob3k wrote:
Well to be fair I think Neo kind of blew it with the post title on that one....yeah its accurate but nobody wants to click on:

"TeamLiquid Exclusive Interview with MVP Ozone/Blue Coach, Im Hyun-seok. Coaching decisions, life at the team house, and upcoming players to the MVP lineup in the future."

That title is TLDR. You should have called it like:

"Teamliquid Exclusive: Life on a Korean Pro-Team!"

or

"Teamliquid Exclusive: Korean Pro-Team Coach Calls NA and EU Trash!"

get like 5x the views imoimo, gotta up your sensationalism.

I blew it? I did short, terse titles for reddit before and I was suggested by the SC admins to have longer, more detailed titles instead. So I guess it goes to show that you can't please everyone.

Up sensationalism? Sound pretty stupid considering everything TeamLiquid was build upon. No thanks.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
July 08 2013 07:50 GMT
#7034
On July 08 2013 16:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 16:40 sob3k wrote:
Well to be fair I think Neo kind of blew it with the post title on that one....yeah its accurate but nobody wants to click on:

"TeamLiquid Exclusive Interview with MVP Ozone/Blue Coach, Im Hyun-seok. Coaching decisions, life at the team house, and upcoming players to the MVP lineup in the future."

That title is TLDR. You should have called it like:

"Teamliquid Exclusive: Life on a Korean Pro-Team!"

or

"Teamliquid Exclusive: Korean Pro-Team Coach Calls NA and EU Trash!"

get like 5x the views imoimo, gotta up your sensationalism.

I blew it? I did short, terse titles for reddit before and I was suggested by the SC admins to have longer, more detailed titles instead. So I guess it goes to show that you can't please everyone.

Up sensationalism? Sound pretty stupid considering everything TeamLiquid was build upon. No thanks.

I figured the sensationalism part was sarcasm. At least that's how I took it >_>
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
July 08 2013 07:53 GMT
#7035
On July 08 2013 16:49 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 16:41 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Gragas, according to LoLking atm, is like the 8th lowest win rate % champ. Has he gotten nerfed in recent months? I just played a game with him and he felt the same as I left him. Is it more about the meta w/ the number of AD bruisers he is likely to face or something or has he fallen out of favor so just nobody plays him worth a damn anymore?


He's never had a very high winrate as far as I know. He's much stronger in organized play than in soloque for a few reasons.

1. He's got good burst but really bad sustained damage in teamfights, teams have to instantly capitalize on his combo.
2. He doesnt carry too well unless you get obscenely fed, you do your QR and that has to be enough damage to win the teamfight. If it is, great. If not, then there isn't much else you can do.
3. His barrel is relatively hard to hit, hard champs lose because the average player sucks (see syndra).


His win rate was insanely high after Riot foolishly buffed him like a year ago. It was when they made his E 1050 range and 50 mana. Then they nerfed it a bit and then they nerfed his ult too when the realized how good it already. I'll never say he's a godly champ because, as you point out, you get to Q+r (which is really good) but then his cd's get in the way and E'ing into the team is dangerous. It's just weird that he's not seen with a bit more success given that he really isn't that hard to play compared to some other popular champs (orianna, lee sin, etc).
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
July 08 2013 07:57 GMT
#7036
You kinda need a sensationalist title to get noticed on reddit. At the very least include that MVP Ozone won OGN spring (this is not common knowledge).
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
July 08 2013 08:00 GMT
#7037
Just got back from Anime Expo. Was a lot of fun, there was a goddamn shit ton of people doing LoL cosplay. Although apparently there was an actual LoL cosplay gathering one day with pros and rioters and shit and it wasn't on the schedule, and I'm just learning about it now as I get home and have internet access. Pretty funny.

Sometime tomorrow I'll make a picture thread so I can show you all wonderful things like + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Has anything amazing happened since Wednesday?
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 08:03:06
July 08 2013 08:01 GMT
#7038
On July 08 2013 16:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 16:40 sob3k wrote:
Well to be fair I think Neo kind of blew it with the post title on that one....yeah its accurate but nobody wants to click on:

"TeamLiquid Exclusive Interview with MVP Ozone/Blue Coach, Im Hyun-seok. Coaching decisions, life at the team house, and upcoming players to the MVP lineup in the future."

That title is TLDR. You should have called it like:

"Teamliquid Exclusive: Life on a Korean Pro-Team!"

or

"Teamliquid Exclusive: Korean Pro-Team Coach Calls NA and EU Trash!"

get like 5x the views imoimo, gotta up your sensationalism.

I blew it? I did short, terse titles for reddit before and I was suggested by the SC admins to have longer, more detailed titles instead. So I guess it goes to show that you can't please everyone.

Up sensationalism? Sound pretty stupid considering everything TeamLiquid was build upon. No thanks.


Twas a joke!

I mean, that is what you would have to do if you wanted to appeal to the masses of Reddit. If Redditors wanted TL they would just come to TL. I mean personally who cares, but that's how Reddit works.

On July 08 2013 16:53 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 16:49 sob3k wrote:
On July 08 2013 16:41 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Gragas, according to LoLking atm, is like the 8th lowest win rate % champ. Has he gotten nerfed in recent months? I just played a game with him and he felt the same as I left him. Is it more about the meta w/ the number of AD bruisers he is likely to face or something or has he fallen out of favor so just nobody plays him worth a damn anymore?


He's never had a very high winrate as far as I know. He's much stronger in organized play than in soloque for a few reasons.

1. He's got good burst but really bad sustained damage in teamfights, teams have to instantly capitalize on his combo.
2. He doesnt carry too well unless you get obscenely fed, you do your QR and that has to be enough damage to win the teamfight. If it is, great. If not, then there isn't much else you can do.
3. His barrel is relatively hard to hit, hard champs lose because the average player sucks (see syndra).


His win rate was insanely high after Riot foolishly buffed him like a year ago. It was when they made his E 1050 range and 50 mana. Then they nerfed it a bit and then they nerfed his ult too when the realized how good it already. I'll never say he's a godly champ because, as you point out, you get to Q+r (which is really good) but then his cd's get in the way and E'ing into the team is dangerous. It's just weird that he's not seen with a bit more success given that he really isn't that hard to play compared to some other popular champs (orianna, lee sin, etc).


Pretty sure it was 1050 movespeed....although it would be pretty awe inspiring to see Gragas body slam the range of a shock blast.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 08:26:51
July 08 2013 08:26 GMT
#7039
I'm sorry, but I am going to contradict the now "popular" TL rant initiated by onlywonderboy.

The fact is that there is not a single good interview about the meta, balance, imbalance, or anything worth listening to.

There are only 2 types of interview content out their:

#1. Grilled. AKA a comprehensive interview about a pro's career, but lacking insight into the future. and
#2. Statements by publicists. Or the equivalent thereof. AKA every lol postgame interview ever conducted + all red posts on lol forums, + recaps given by players.

The closest thing we get to a useful and interesting interview is when Doublelift gets mad during a travis interview and says "Draven sucks" or something.
Freeeeeeedom
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 08 2013 08:28 GMT
#7040
Sent in Riot writer application in. Hopefully my past two years of writing for TeamLiquid will turn into something cool.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Prev 1 350 351 352 353 354 380 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
19:00
Mid Season Playoffs
Cure vs Iba
MaxPax vs Lemon
Gerald vs ArT
Solar vs goblin
Nicoract vs TBD
Spirit vs Percival
Cham vs TBD
ByuN vs Jumy
SteadfastSC1787
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 1787
IndyStarCraft 177
UpATreeSC 145
NeuroSwarm 89
ZombieGrub78
JuggernautJason68
MindelVK 40
Lillekanin 1
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 21717
Calm 2007
Rain 1603
Shuttle 544
Dewaltoss 87
ggaemo 22
Hm[arnc] 9
Dota 2
Dendi1427
Pyrionflax233
Counter-Strike
apEX1930
fl0m1081
Stewie2K338
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu505
Other Games
Grubby3511
FrodaN2118
Beastyqt578
ToD257
Hui .225
C9.Mang0121
ArmadaUGS90
Trikslyr50
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 51
• Reevou 3
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 18
• FirePhoenix15
• Pr0nogo 4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21825
Other Games
• Scarra774
• imaqtpie748
• WagamamaTV301
• Shiphtur166
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
14h 7m
Maru vs Reynor
Cure vs TriGGeR
Map Test Tournament
15h 7m
The PondCast
17h 7m
RSL Revival
1d 14h
Zoun vs Classic
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Online Event
3 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
LiuLi Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-10
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.