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United States37500 Posts
Eve was hilariously underfarmed. She couldn't do shit after 20 min mark.
Edit: I really like Cheep's take on why iG did Baron when they did. I didn't catch the entire game but if they were as behind as I think they were, the Baron was out of desperation and might have gotten them out of the hole they were in. WE had good sense and reaction, so the gamble didn't pay off.
Compare this to NA's typical Baron throw where teams that are even or ahead, risk a completely unnecessary Baron and throw the game, that kind of call is unacceptable.
TL;DR Not all Baron "throws" are equal.
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where are you guys watching this thing?
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I disagree, the difference was insignificant at that point.
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United States37500 Posts
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So in the most last minute approval of all time, looks like ESV TV will bring some NA time zone coverage of the Gigabyte StarsWar 8 tournament. Will only be Day 2, and will be on Monday (NA time), but should be a lot of fun. Orb will be casting again, maybe RAP1D too.
Figured I would give you all the heads up, just found out 10 mins ago lol
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Baa?21248 Posts
On July 06 2013 17:03 Dan HH wrote:
I disagree, the difference was insignificant at that point.
ig's only initiation was evelynn, whose failed ganks led her to being undergeared and underfarmed, and basically will evaporate in any sort of team fight or skirmish
WE was free to just camp at a tower and spam ezreal poke and blitz hooks until one lands and roll over ig slowly but surely over their huge midgame timing, combined with kennen diana huge aoe follow up. ig had no engage or disengage and no way to safely + efficiently waveclear.
gold means nothing its all about team comp and what the heroes could do, and eve (and the rest of ig) just had very limited options at that point
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WE's quick reaction is also attributed to experience vs iG. iG have attempted risky barons in the past and WE smelled it immediately.
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Baa?21248 Posts
im very curious about the sudden preference for rylais first item on kennen. both guise and hourglass have been rushed before, but rylais very rarely, yet both pdd ing ame 1 and caomei in game 2 chose the same build, in pretty different scenarios/comps.
i always thought rylai was very underwhelming as a first item - the stats are mediocre for cost, so the teams must really value the passive. is the slow really that important? i've yet to feel like the rylais has made a significant impact on any of these team fights that wouldnt be completely outclassed in utility/dmg/surviability of either a guise + something else or just straight zhonya.
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On July 06 2013 17:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 17:03 Dan HH wrote:
I disagree, the difference was insignificant at that point. ig's only initiation was evelynn, whose failed ganks led her to being undergeared and underfarmed, and basically will evaporate in any sort of team fight or skirmish WE was free to just camp at a tower and spam ezreal poke and blitz hooks until one lands and roll over ig slowly but surely over their huge midgame timing, combined with kennen diana huge aoe follow up. ig had no engage or disengage and no way to safely + efficiently waveclear. gold means nothing its all about team comp and what the heroes could do, and eve (and the rest of ig) just had very limited options at that point
You're trying to rationalize it. There is no way you can convince me that the game was already over for iG unless they took the Baron. There was nothing wrong with their teamcomp, Eve was behind but not "oh god what do we do" behind.
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Baa?21248 Posts
On July 06 2013 17:14 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 17:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 06 2013 17:03 Dan HH wrote:
I disagree, the difference was insignificant at that point. ig's only initiation was evelynn, whose failed ganks led her to being undergeared and underfarmed, and basically will evaporate in any sort of team fight or skirmish WE was free to just camp at a tower and spam ezreal poke and blitz hooks until one lands and roll over ig slowly but surely over their huge midgame timing, combined with kennen diana huge aoe follow up. ig had no engage or disengage and no way to safely + efficiently waveclear. gold means nothing its all about team comp and what the heroes could do, and eve (and the rest of ig) just had very limited options at that point You're trying to rationalize it. There is no way you can convince me that the game was already over for iG unless they took the Baron. There was nothing wrong with their teamcomp, Eve was behind but not "oh god what do we do" behind.
of course something could always go wrong, but the way the game has been up to the 16 minutes mark, ig was definitely headed for near certain defeat.
ther'es nothin ginherently wrong with their team comp, but ig's comp is awful vs WE's comp when they're behind, which they were. based on how squishy evelynn (their sole form of initiation) was, it was grim for sure. a melee initiator who cant tank more than 2 seconds of dmg is definitely approaching "oh god what do we do" territory
again, just imagine what would happen if ig didnt baron at 16 minutes - at ~17 minutes, we groups mid and just sieges. blue ez had the majority of the kills, assists, and good farm. q spam at tower with manamune (soon muraman) and iceborn gauntlet + kenne q + constant threat of blitz hook vs a team who has ryze (no wave clear) vayne (short range adc cant safely do anything) evelynn (behind, melee, average and very short ranged waveclear on spell). yorick was their best waveclear. it wouldve been a slow, but very steady path for WE to take to get more and more advantages. it was also simply easier for WE to play - they had the easier comp to play, whereas due to how the early game played out, one misstep by iG during the tower defense and they wouldve got wiped
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kennen vs double ap and vs an ap opponent, chooses to rush seekers this time
kennen builds how does it work?? D:
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On July 06 2013 17:27 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
kennen vs double ap and vs an ap opponent, chooses to rush seekers this time
kennen builds how does it work?? D:
He needs the quick Zhonya's against this team comp. Syndra will just oneshot him if he runs in to ult otherwise
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United States37500 Posts
dis Cheep, doesn't get why Seeker's first.
But yeah, Rylai's rush doesn't make any sense to me either. Guise does more damage for cost and Zhonya's is superior in surviability in team fights. I'd go as far as getting Blades and a Ruby Crystal first if you needed then HP then go for Zhonya's. CN Kennens must really like the passive for manaless APs.
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Baa?21248 Posts
i was thinking more guise + giants belt into rylais later, but i guess hourglass is fine too. dat active.
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Seems like casters are ahead by a second or 2.
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Sheep, if in the alternate universe where iG didn't risk baron XiaoXiao would have initiated like he did right now then I agree with you.
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Where's the iG Bulwark against Kennen, Diana and Varus?
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Baa?21248 Posts
On July 06 2013 17:44 Dan HH wrote:
Sheep, if in the alternate universe where iG didn't risk baron XiaoXiao would have initiated like he did right now then I agree with you.
xiaoxiao #1 lol
also asian teams tend to use sona more for counter intiation/follow up (like we just saw here, albeit a failed one) as opposed to a true hard initiation. very rarely have i seen xiaoxiao straight up initiate all by himself @_@
i feel like misaya zhonyaed too early that last fight, he shoudlve met up with his team before he did. he locked himself up in place int he middle of their two dps
edit: well WE looks done lol
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United States37500 Posts
On July 06 2013 17:45 DragoonTT wrote:
Where's the iG Bulwark against Kennen, Diana and Varus?
Troll has Aegis but he's so poor compared to illuSioN
Fzzf is dirt poor too. Philo + Ruby SS.
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