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On June 22 2013 17:36 wei2coolman wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2013 17:35 TheLink wrote:
This is why I like Liquid Poker. Elitist assholes are mocked rather than this circle-jerk crap. Fortunately starting a separate thread for "serious" discussion is a simple means of showing what a ghost town it would be (or proving me wrong).
See the thing is very few people actually want to read your opinion, what they want is to advocate their own opinion. The reason for all the butthurt in this thread as far as I can see is various elitists all annoyed that their thoughts aren't reaching enough of the masses. This; except in a less demeaning tone. On other note; What's with the whole twitch streams being down and stuff?
System-wide password reset:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418289
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Baa?21248 Posts
On June 22 2013 17:41 Navi wrote:
i think having a bunch of high elo ppl talk exclusively with each other is such a epeen fest. its solo queue except with TLers so prob will be more nerdy-smart and passive aggressive than straight trolly. if u want to do that just solo queue lel
btw how does elo decay work with new system? only true elo decay and LP doesn't?
you can demoted between leagues for inactivity too, which afaik is the only way to go down a league, so i guess you can lose lp that way
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On June 22 2013 17:41 Navi wrote:
i think having a bunch of high elo ppl talk exclusively with each other is such a epeen fest. its solo queue except with TLers so prob will be more nerdy-smart and passive aggressive than straight trolly. if u want to do that just solo queue lel
btw how does elo decay work with new system? only true elo decay and LP doesn't?
I was under the impression that LP decays but true elo doesn't...but honestly I've yet to see someone be inactive for so long for decay to kick in so I have 0 clue.
Also I don't like the idea of only having Diamond+ forum cause like people have been saying, we don't actually have enough of those players and i'd imagine be really sparse in post and/or quality. You could open it to plat, but i'm plat and I see and think and do stupid shit all the time in plat. And on top of that, I've seen some people who I'm pretty sure are gold/silver post good stuff in this forum. Honestly it's probably easier/better if mods just become harsher on people spouting bad garbage not just bad posts.
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Even bad players can ask intelligent questions and give valuable input into a discussion. I don't see any good reason to exclude this contibution from discussions. Stuborn retards can be ignored, so where's the problem?
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Wow, a one in a life thing just happened today in a ranked game ! I was Jayce, we caught the ennemy Amumu, then the rest of the team show up, double kill, triple, quadra, only the fed Ezreal remains and he also has a quadra kill. Ignite just about to be available, I finally ignite him but I die, he got penta, last tick of ignite kill him, double penta lol
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On June 22 2013 18:04 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 17:41 Navi wrote:
i think having a bunch of high elo ppl talk exclusively with each other is such a epeen fest. its solo queue except with TLers so prob will be more nerdy-smart and passive aggressive than straight trolly. if u want to do that just solo queue lel
btw how does elo decay work with new system? only true elo decay and LP doesn't? I was under the impression that LP decays but true elo doesn't...but honestly I've yet to see someone be inactive for so long for decay to kick in so I have 0 clue. Also I don't like the idea of only having Diamond+ forum cause like people have been saying, we don't actually have enough of those players and i'd imagine be really sparse in post and/or quality. You could open it to plat, but i'm plat and I see and think and do stupid shit all the time in plat. And on top of that, I've seen some people who I'm pretty sure are gold/silver post good stuff in this forum. Honestly it's probably easier/better if mods just become harsher on people spouting bad garbage not just bad posts.
You lose 10 LP a week after 4 weeks. As far as MMR goes I don't know, maybe after I decay to BronzeV I'll play a game and see if people are holyfuckawful.
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The reason I love this community is because unlike the SC2 community the high Elo/League players here don't act like assholes and if some scrub like me gives a good idea they discuss it and if it's a bad idea they tell you why unlike in SC2 forum where'd you just get a smug remark that you're bad so don't talk about it. I've seen it way too often but that maybe came with the big community that SC2 had. I dunno I love TL LoL the way it is, I'd hate it if it turned like the SC2 forums of TL.
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On June 22 2013 19:11 Zhiroo wrote:
The reason I love this community is because unlike the SC2 community the high Elo/League players here don't act like assholes and if some scrub like me gives a good idea they discuss it and if it's a bad idea they tell you why unlike in SC2 forum where'd you just get a smug remark that you're bad so don't talk about it. I've seen it way too often but that maybe came with the big community that SC2 had. I dunno I love TL LoL the way it is, I'd hate it if it turned like the SC2 forums of TL.
You've gotta understand the other side as well. When the "purge" happened in the sc2 forums it was for the high level players. When a pro player would post and get someone telling them they're wrong it discouraged future posting.
Bad players asking questions or proposing ideas is great. When the community exploded and those bad players all think they're idra and love telling Jinro or even Incontrol how they're ideas suck the community will decay rapidly.
Those are just two example players nothing more.
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On the topic of us being a "small subforum community" is there a chance you (Neo, Yango, Moon, JB) know how many people use our subforum frequently compared to the Dota2 Forums which is an officially supported game?
Wouldn't be surprised if it's not "much" more for Dota2 but I don't use the dota forum often, but 3100 GD pages since August 2011? I think all out GD threads could compare to that.
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I'm quite sure we have a good number of diamond player tho. Diamond is really easy to reach with the new system. But I don't think a diamond only thread would achieve much, instead I think people should be honest when posting a detailed strat/thought and admit that this is how it works/goes at their level.
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I love coming home from work to play on servers that d/c every minute.
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United States23455 Posts
On June 22 2013 20:29 schmutttt wrote:
I love coming home from work to play on servers that d/c every minute.
this.
i disconnected right as we aced the other team and taking down the nexus. if the entire team disconnected, i might have thrown something for the first time while playing.
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Can't wait for consume to be nerfed. Can't outsmite it level 1. Nunu simply steals your buffs and it is so hard to deal with because of bloodboil.
The combination of the recent jungle Nunu buffs and the jungle changes make him absolute terror. I just played a game where with a bit of coordination from our team he managed to take 3/4 buffs at the start. The enemy jungler was 2 levels behind all game and could not threaten our lanes at all. We got a 18 minute baron.
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On June 22 2013 20:32 SliceAndDice wrote:
Can't wait for consume to be nerfed. Can't outsmite it level 1. Nunu simply steals your buffs and it is so hard to deal with because of bloodboil.
The combination of the recent jungle Nunu buffs and the jungle changes make him absolute terror. I just played a game where with a bit of coordination from our team he managed to take 3/4 buffs at the start. The enemy jungler was 2 levels behind all game and could not threaten our lanes at all. We got a 18 minute baron.
Start on the same buff as Nunu (he starts red, you start red etc.)
Tell your support, nunu is OP, you hate FP cus he didn't ban him, and that he should ward the buff you aren't starting on.
SCOUT!!! Watch if starts with wards, notice where he wards, and DO NOT TRY TO FUCKING TAKE THE BUFF WHILE HE HAS A WARD THERE. That freaking trick2g video is the showing of full retards that just think with the wrong head.
Pressure lanes, but watch out for nunu. His counter-ganks are near brutal.
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On June 22 2013 19:00 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 18:04 Ryuu314 wrote:On June 22 2013 17:41 Navi wrote:
i think having a bunch of high elo ppl talk exclusively with each other is such a epeen fest. its solo queue except with TLers so prob will be more nerdy-smart and passive aggressive than straight trolly. if u want to do that just solo queue lel
btw how does elo decay work with new system? only true elo decay and LP doesn't? I was under the impression that LP decays but true elo doesn't...but honestly I've yet to see someone be inactive for so long for decay to kick in so I have 0 clue. Also I don't like the idea of only having Diamond+ forum cause like people have been saying, we don't actually have enough of those players and i'd imagine be really sparse in post and/or quality. You could open it to plat, but i'm plat and I see and think and do stupid shit all the time in plat. And on top of that, I've seen some people who I'm pretty sure are gold/silver post good stuff in this forum. Honestly it's probably easier/better if mods just become harsher on people spouting bad garbage not just bad posts. You lose 10 LP a week after 4 weeks. As far as MMR goes I don't know, maybe after I decay to BronzeV I'll play a game and see if people are holyfuckawful.
I seem to lose 25 a week, but I'm not really paying attention, so I'm not 100% sure. I went from gold 1 to gold 3 in the last few weeks. I've played 20ish ranked games this season.
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On June 22 2013 21:14 h3r1n6 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 19:00 red_ wrote:On June 22 2013 18:04 Ryuu314 wrote:On June 22 2013 17:41 Navi wrote:
i think having a bunch of high elo ppl talk exclusively with each other is such a epeen fest. its solo queue except with TLers so prob will be more nerdy-smart and passive aggressive than straight trolly. if u want to do that just solo queue lel
btw how does elo decay work with new system? only true elo decay and LP doesn't? I was under the impression that LP decays but true elo doesn't...but honestly I've yet to see someone be inactive for so long for decay to kick in so I have 0 clue. Also I don't like the idea of only having Diamond+ forum cause like people have been saying, we don't actually have enough of those players and i'd imagine be really sparse in post and/or quality. You could open it to plat, but i'm plat and I see and think and do stupid shit all the time in plat. And on top of that, I've seen some people who I'm pretty sure are gold/silver post good stuff in this forum. Honestly it's probably easier/better if mods just become harsher on people spouting bad garbage not just bad posts. You lose 10 LP a week after 4 weeks. As far as MMR goes I don't know, maybe after I decay to BronzeV I'll play a game and see if people are holyfuckawful. I seem to lose 25 a week, but I'm not really paying attention, so I'm not 100% sure. I went from gold 1 to gold 3 in the last few weeks. I've played 20ish ranked games this season.
It actually depends on your league how much you lose.
Quoted from 'More about the league system' in the in game client:
The number of LP lost following each period of decay is as follows:
Diamond: 50
Platinum: 35
Gold: 25
Silver: 10
Bronze: 0
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On June 22 2013 15:16 cascades wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 14:55 wei2coolman wrote:On June 22 2013 14:49 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 22 2013 14:28 cascades wrote:On June 22 2013 05:23 mr_tolkien wrote:On June 22 2013 05:03 TheYango wrote:On June 22 2013 04:52 Scip wrote:On June 22 2013 04:44 Clinic wrote:
is there a particular reason why a diamond-only or similar forum doesn't exist? The authorities don't want to and there is very little demand from diamond only players too as strategy discussions rarely happen at all. Most of the well-known Diamond posters don't initiate discussions, IMO--they just chime in when someone else says something stupid. Tbh I want to post well thought-out messages very often but I feel like there is no place for it. GD is really nice but things just go too fast and un-noticed. Why would I take 2 hours+ to write an interesting post when nobody will be able to find it again anyways ? It will spark discussion for 2/3 pages at most and then nobody will be able to find it again. See this. See how it is getting buried? Diamond+ forum pls. Or plat+ if u "need ppl to spark discussion". Right after this post people suggested starting a dedicated thread in the Strategy subforum for whatever kind of discussions he wanted to start. GD moves incredibly fast but there are other avenues for discussing narrow topics, ones that don't require excluding people simply based on their rating. If some shitty Bronze player tries to lend their opinion and they are wrong there's nothing stopping anyone from picking apart what is wrong with their logic. And if they still don't see the light, who cares, they are wrong and will probably never improve at LoL. Our community is small as it is, we don't need further segregation. The opposite is true to. The content of the explanation is far more important than appeal to authority. Doesn't work that way in rl. "There's nothing stopping anyone...". Besides the thread being shit up by their posts and discussion being derailed as people try to explain basic stuff like pantheon does not have long range. Content is more important than appeal to authority, but good players were chased away from this forum, cos they sure don't want to explain obvious shit like the pantheon example. What is needed is good questions. Bronze/Silver may come up with good questions, but needs to be filtered first to avoid all the garbage. (Ideally, Low=>Middle=>High elo. Arrows represent access.) There's a reason why sc2 forums went to shit. You are assuming just one shitty Bronze/Silver who does it - it's managable. Is it going to be restricted to one? Of course not. More and you get the official Blizzard/Riot forums.
This is something I disagree with in our subforums current stage. There are a few reasons I believe so.
1) As a community we're not big enough to warrant spiting up
The others have covered this quite well but I agree with their view that it does not make sense to fragment TL LoL even further.
2) Bronze/Silver people are valued too
I used to be really shit at this game. (I probably still am pretty bad at this game too.) I think the issue is not what elo you are but whether you can think critically and listen to others. I personally am incredibly thankful that I have been able to ask and learn from so many here in the subforum and that's made me a better player and writer as a result.
If the issue is a matter of how people approach their questions, reasoning and arguing with people then I think it's a matter of moderation on an individual level. I don't think elo should be a barrier to being able to post. If TL LoL grows to an extent where it becomes unmanageable then this might be a solution, but it's a rather drastic one at that and I think I will be sad if it ever comes to that.
One thing that I think should be mentioned (and also comes from nyxnyxnyx's post) is the issue of how we want to emphasise strategy discussion. With a fast moving GD and people spread across multiple timezones there are going to be problems in following and contributing to certain discussions. We do also have our LoL Strategy Subforum (which probably should be used more often) but hm. How to make GD better is something that we'll need to think over.
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I've all but given up on the possibility of a Dia+ forum, but here are some counterpoints I'd like to raise.
1. The forum will not be a closed forum. It should be open for all to view, but not post, except in a specific AMA thread.
2. I think the existence of a Diamond+ forum might increase the posting rate of Diamond players for various reasons.
3. The Dia IV+ requirement is strictly for convenience. Are there Unranked/Bronze/Silver/Gold/Plat people who are fantastic posters and theorycrafters? Sure there are. Is it feasible to open the floodgates just to let these few in? Maybe not. Specific good posters are easily singled out and invited to the forum, weeding bad ones after the fact is way harder. Anyway, Diamond IV+ isn't particularly hard to get now, and should be manageable for almost anyone who has a proper understanding of the game.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
or just give blue posts to deserving higher ranked players
it's a lot easier and way less invasive
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I would love to see more high elo players start threads in teh strategy forum. If there is an issue with ppl posting crap in their threads then theres the report button/private msg for that, I think we have enough mods to take care of those few posts?
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