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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
May 25 2013 20:52 GMT
#2761
Just played Robert Lee's smurf...needless to say bot lane got demolished.

I had to face a top Trundle though and had no idea what to do. I could trade with him but never kill him unless he all-inned :S
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 25 2013 20:53 GMT
#2762
Pokemon > diana discussion. Now I know I'm in the right place.
liftlift > tsm
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 20:55:18
May 25 2013 20:53 GMT
#2763
Yes, I want to say that having a guy dedicated to research would be absolutely awesome for every team. Maybe make manager+researcher one position? Idk how much time does managing a team take but I can't imagine it's THAT much.

Cloyster best pokemon because he is kidna like Rammus but also kinda like female genitals?

Quick claw is banned in like, all competitive settings AFAIK. Where the hell have you been playing?
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
May 25 2013 20:54 GMT
#2764
On May 26 2013 05:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
Go back to talking about pokemon or skins at least. I can read those discussion with a smile on my face.

Quick Claw is BULLSHIT.
twitch.tv/cratonz
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
May 25 2013 20:54 GMT
#2765
On May 26 2013 05:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
I'm curious and I'm sure I'm not the only, but what are your plans after All-Star? .

I want to be involved fulltime with a top team.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 20:58:13
May 25 2013 20:57 GMT
#2766
On May 26 2013 05:54 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 05:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
Go back to talking about pokemon or skins at least. I can read those discussion with a smile on my face.

Quick Claw is BULLSHIT.

L2Priority

On May 26 2013 05:54 caelym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 05:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
I'm curious and I'm sure I'm not the only, but what are your plans after All-Star? .

I want to be involved fulltime with a top team.

I assume continuing with Curse?
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 21:01:32
May 25 2013 20:59 GMT
#2767
On May 26 2013 05:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
Edit: P.S. you donks made me read THREE pages about Diana QR? It was all about semantics. You should be ashamed.
Go back to talking about pokemon or skins at least. I can read those discussion with a smile on my face.

We're going to take you for your word and you know it. Don't act surprised when you wake up tomorrow and catch up to the forums. :3

Edit: now you guys have to educate scrubs like me about which move Quick Claw is and what it does to be banned. You're free to quibble over fine details.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
May 25 2013 21:01 GMT
#2768
What priority would you have him use, Breloom Scizor and some other choice banders? Set-up sweepers will still get fked by Quickclaw 1/10th of the time, there's a good reason why it's banned.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
May 25 2013 21:03 GMT
#2769
^

It can die in a fire
twitch.tv/cratonz
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 25 2013 21:13 GMT
#2770
On May 26 2013 05:54 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 05:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
Go back to talking about pokemon or skins at least. I can read those discussion with a smile on my face.

Quick Claw is BULLSHIT.

Trick Room.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 25 2013 21:15 GMT
#2771
On May 26 2013 05:59 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 05:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
Edit: P.S. you donks made me read THREE pages about Diana QR? It was all about semantics. You should be ashamed.
Go back to talking about pokemon or skins at least. I can read those discussion with a smile on my face.

We're going to take you for your word and you know it. Don't act surprised when you wake up tomorrow and catch up to the forums. :3

Edit: now you guys have to educate scrubs like me about which move Quick Claw is and what it does to be banned. You're free to quibble over fine details.


Quick claw gives like ~20% chance for holder to ignore speedstats and let the pokemon holding Quick Claw to attack first.

Competitively I dont really think its that good, unreliable and becomes useless if your opponent has priority sweepers. That being said, in certain cases it allows tanks to check sweepers they normally wouldn't be able to, but its kind of a coinflip.

I think it banned because Pokemon scene trying to eliminate RNG.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 25 2013 21:23 GMT
#2772
Oh, it's an item, not a move. So are moves like Guillotine banned, or simply not used because even more RNG dependant (5% hit chance iirc)?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
May 25 2013 21:23 GMT
#2773
On May 26 2013 06:15 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 05:59 Alaric wrote:
On May 26 2013 05:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
Edit: P.S. you donks made me read THREE pages about Diana QR? It was all about semantics. You should be ashamed.
Go back to talking about pokemon or skins at least. I can read those discussion with a smile on my face.

We're going to take you for your word and you know it. Don't act surprised when you wake up tomorrow and catch up to the forums. :3

Edit: now you guys have to educate scrubs like me about which move Quick Claw is and what it does to be banned. You're free to quibble over fine details.


Quick claw gives like ~20% chance for holder to ignore speedstats and let the pokemon holding Quick Claw to attack first.

Competitively I dont really think its that good, unreliable and becomes useless if your opponent has priority sweepers. That being said, in certain cases it allows tanks to check sweepers they normally wouldn't be able to, but its kind of a coinflip.

I think it banned because Pokemon scene trying to eliminate RNG.

Bulbapedia says that Quick Claw only applies priority override within its own bracket though? So say, a Quick Claw Extremespeed can still be out-prioritied.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
May 25 2013 21:32 GMT
#2774
What kind of nerd uses an Arcanine?
twitch.tv/cratonz
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
May 25 2013 21:32 GMT
#2775
Why is Orianna such a fucking pain in the ass?

She's so much fun to play, but so hard to play that I can't even carry against bronze players. lol. Always E a diving champ, he goes deep ( but out of range), always ult on myself. huehue.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 25 2013 21:34 GMT
#2776
On May 26 2013 06:23 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 06:15 iCanada wrote:
On May 26 2013 05:59 Alaric wrote:
On May 26 2013 05:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
Edit: P.S. you donks made me read THREE pages about Diana QR? It was all about semantics. You should be ashamed.
Go back to talking about pokemon or skins at least. I can read those discussion with a smile on my face.

We're going to take you for your word and you know it. Don't act surprised when you wake up tomorrow and catch up to the forums. :3

Edit: now you guys have to educate scrubs like me about which move Quick Claw is and what it does to be banned. You're free to quibble over fine details.


Quick claw gives like ~20% chance for holder to ignore speedstats and let the pokemon holding Quick Claw to attack first.

Competitively I dont really think its that good, unreliable and becomes useless if your opponent has priority sweepers. That being said, in certain cases it allows tanks to check sweepers they normally wouldn't be able to, but its kind of a coinflip.

I think it banned because Pokemon scene trying to eliminate RNG.

Bulbapedia says that Quick Claw only applies priority override within its own bracket though? So say, a Quick Claw Extremespeed can still be out-prioritied.


Yeah, but if you have two pokemon, one with a choice scarf, one with a Quick claw and the same move set the the Choice scarf better 4 times out of 5, and four times out of five any item choice stronger than quick claw.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 21:38:52
May 25 2013 21:36 GMT
#2777
On May 26 2013 06:32 Craton wrote:
What kind of nerd uses an Arcanine?


Also Lucario. And I want to say Dragonite as well, in special circumstances. I think a fancy event dratini came with it or something.

Arcanine not used much, stealthrock crush his face.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 25 2013 21:39 GMT
#2778
WTF is this forum I am reading.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 25 2013 21:41 GMT
#2779
On May 26 2013 06:32 Keniji wrote:
Why is Orianna such a fucking pain in the ass?

She's so much fun to play, but so hard to play that I can't even carry against bronze players. lol. Always E a diving champ, he goes deep ( but out of range), always ult on myself. huehue.


I just figured I shouldn't try ulti with E and rather use Q since it's way more reliable or I E then Q quickly next to them so I know 100% I won't fuck it up.
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 21:43:07
May 25 2013 21:41 GMT
#2780
Anyone knows why lolking isnt updating the champion winrates anymore? Has been like this for 2 weeks or so

€: hm ok only the overview isnt updated
http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&type=champion-winrate&range=weekly&map=sr&queue=normal
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
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