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Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
April 17 2013 03:33 GMT
#1801
It is cool to know that Curse is now not streaming their scrims anymore. I really welcome that they take shits seriously, should have done this a long time ago though.

What do you guys think about stream your practices? I am very against that, I mean how can have prepare something special if you publicly play them on stream? In many other sports, they even tighten up the security around stadiums when the team is in a private practice session. E-sport should learn to do that as well.
Terran
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 03:42:15
April 17 2013 03:42 GMT
#1802
Do the sites that let you spectate anybody work through the "no obs at all" customs, or are the teams "safe" against "spying" that way?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
April 17 2013 03:44 GMT
#1803
I think it's nice to see scrims between pro teams. I agree that more serious practice would be better off kept private, but there's nothing wrong with letting people see some scrims. Besides, I never got the feeling that Crs took their scrims all that seriously.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 17 2013 03:53 GMT
#1804
On April 17 2013 12:22 Alaric wrote:
Transformed champs also have stupid amounts of free resistances when in melee forms. Jayce has more armour and MR than almost anyone (you can remove the "almost" when it comes to MR) as long as he skills his ult within 2-3 levels of when it gets available, and Elise has at least as much MR, and more armour than most, champs when in melee form (less so at early levels for armour, but her good growth compensates for it pretty quickly).

And Nidalee got her Cougar form resistances removed despite a naturally weaker kit outside of poke (she's particularly strong in some situations, namely with her 40% shred and in skirmishes that let her abuse her short cooldowns in Cougar form when AD, and obviously her poke when AP, but Jayce has stronger burst in melee form, and even ranged form as long as the target isn't low HP, while also having tankiness, a strong renewable shred of his own, his stupid spammable %MS buffs that rival pounce as long as you don't have to use a wall to escape/chase, and dual kits that click better so his continued combo is also smoother and more damaging than Nid's; Elise has stronger burst when using her form switch, stronger dps when abusing her spiderlings and the crazy strong on-hit of her spider form, is a stronger/safer assassin unless they get fed, and better scaling).

I mean, there's a lot of stuff I dislike about Nidalee, and I didn't see the day I'd defend her coming, but when you see the kind of crap that goes well under the radar in Jayce and Elise, I'm still puzzled as to how Riot thought removing her Cougar form resistances would do her good.


The key to understanding Riot is understanding what they secretly hate: For Nidalee it is team heals, splitpush, and the ability to go AP or AD/Bruiser (Same reason they killed AP Kog/Soraka everywhere). Elise is just too strong in general, and Jayce is very strong as well. However, they don't have things Riot hates (instead Elise has a Free Hourglass, Skillshot stun, and % HP damage while jayce has poke + exploitable timings).
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upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
April 17 2013 03:54 GMT
#1805
I think scrims are good stream draws and really help teams appeal to fans, which is necessary in this business. I guarantee that both CLG and Curse are drawing more views as a result of buzz surrounding their matches, even though the whole thing was a complete shitshow. However, it shouldn't be taken as a perfect substitute for off-stream experimentation and new strategy development.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35136 Posts
April 17 2013 03:55 GMT
#1806
On April 17 2013 12:33 Caphe wrote:
It is cool to know that Curse is now not streaming their scrims anymore. I really welcome that they take shits seriously, should have done this a long time ago though.

What do you guys think about stream your practices? I am very against that, I mean how can have prepare something special if you publicly play them on stream? In many other sports, they even tighten up the security around stadiums when the team is in a private practice session. E-sport should learn to do that as well.

I heard in Saint's stream chat that they were told to stream them. I'm iffy on it. On one hand, I'm glad because it's the NA scene actually doing what it's supposed to, but on the other I miss watching streams of specific players that aren't on Curse.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17246 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 04:18:50
April 17 2013 03:58 GMT
#1807
I like how everyone takes these polarizing positions on scrims; you don't have to stream every scrim just because you stream some.

It's a joke to suggest that people who stream scrims "aren't serious." What a massive leap in logic.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 04:05:22
April 17 2013 03:58 GMT
#1808
I don't think streaming a few scrims is that big of a deal. They are mostly just working on team work and communication rather than new strategies (which are probably confined to private scrims). With the LCS there's plenty of games put to tape for a team to scout their opponents, a few more scrims isn't going to hurt much more imo. That said, if NA teams took their practice as seriously as KR teams it would probably be worth keeping them more private.

Edit: The "taking practice serious" comment wasn't meant as they aren't serious because they stream scrims. It's a known fact NA teams don't practice nearly as hard/long as KR teams, but if they did they probably wouldn't stream scrims because they would be trying out new strategies more often.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
April 17 2013 04:20 GMT
#1809
K, well you all just missed me carrying with Karma on stream

so suck it
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Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
April 17 2013 04:21 GMT
#1810
On April 17 2013 12:58 Craton wrote:
I always find it hilarious how everyone takes these polarizing positions on scrims.

Protip: you don't have to stream every scrim just because you stream some.

It's a complete joke to suggest that people who stream scrims "aren't serious." What a massive leap in logic.

Hmm judging from Curse alone, I think they stream almost every scrims they got. Just do some math with Saint's streaming hours you will see.

I never said that they are not serious, you just can't be as prepared as other teams if you stream most of your shits, thats all am saying.
Terran
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
April 17 2013 04:23 GMT
#1811
On April 17 2013 13:21 Caphe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 12:58 Craton wrote:
I always find it hilarious how everyone takes these polarizing positions on scrims.

Protip: you don't have to stream every scrim just because you stream some.

It's a complete joke to suggest that people who stream scrims "aren't serious." What a massive leap in logic.

Hmm judging from Curse alone, I think they stream almost every scrims they got. Just do some math with Saint's streaming hours you will see.

I never said that they are not serious, you just can't be as prepared as other teams if you stream most of your shits, thats all am saying.


...Curse seems to be doing pretty well in LCS soo....
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XerrolAvengerII
Profile Joined January 2010
United States510 Posts
April 17 2013 04:40 GMT
#1812
Inner Flame
The detonation area now occurs at the actual point of missile impact instead of at the center of the initial target that is hit

For all of their Karma quality of life changes, that feels to me like a pretty brutal and undeserved nerf.
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Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
April 17 2013 04:42 GMT
#1813
On April 17 2013 13:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 13:21 Caphe wrote:
On April 17 2013 12:58 Craton wrote:
I always find it hilarious how everyone takes these polarizing positions on scrims.

Protip: you don't have to stream every scrim just because you stream some.

It's a complete joke to suggest that people who stream scrims "aren't serious." What a massive leap in logic.

Hmm judging from Curse alone, I think they stream almost every scrims they got. Just do some math with Saint's streaming hours you will see.

I never said that they are not serious, you just can't be as prepared as other teams if you stream most of your shits, thats all am saying.


...Curse seems to be doing pretty well in LCS soo....

Yep! But I think they are slowed quite a bit. Also, the level of NA LCS is meh so...
Terran
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35136 Posts
April 17 2013 04:59 GMT
#1814
On April 17 2013 13:42 Caphe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 13:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On April 17 2013 13:21 Caphe wrote:
On April 17 2013 12:58 Craton wrote:
I always find it hilarious how everyone takes these polarizing positions on scrims.

Protip: you don't have to stream every scrim just because you stream some.

It's a complete joke to suggest that people who stream scrims "aren't serious." What a massive leap in logic.

Hmm judging from Curse alone, I think they stream almost every scrims they got. Just do some math with Saint's streaming hours you will see.

I never said that they are not serious, you just can't be as prepared as other teams if you stream most of your shits, thats all am saying.


...Curse seems to be doing pretty well in LCS soo....

Yep! But I think they are slowed quite a bit. Also, the level of NA LCS is meh so...

If we're gonna get hipster about scenes, to me there isn't much different outside of accents and Sjokz. LCS across the board is the bottom of pro play.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
April 17 2013 05:01 GMT
#1815
On April 17 2013 13:42 Caphe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 13:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On April 17 2013 13:21 Caphe wrote:
On April 17 2013 12:58 Craton wrote:
I always find it hilarious how everyone takes these polarizing positions on scrims.

Protip: you don't have to stream every scrim just because you stream some.

It's a complete joke to suggest that people who stream scrims "aren't serious." What a massive leap in logic.

Hmm judging from Curse alone, I think they stream almost every scrims they got. Just do some math with Saint's streaming hours you will see.

I never said that they are not serious, you just can't be as prepared as other teams if you stream most of your shits, thats all am saying.


...Curse seems to be doing pretty well in LCS soo....

Yep! But I think they are slowed quite a bit. Also, the level of NA LCS is meh so...


I don't see how they've slowed quite a bit.. from the start of the season til now they've done pretty much the exact same thing: always beat bad teams, split vs good teams. Really the only knock on their season thus far is that they split with CLG, who isn't performing at the 'good' level(the early top 4 split has definitely turned into a top3/bottom 5). I also don't see how the level of NA LCS has anything to do with your previous comment about preparation against the teams in your league. Don't misread that to think I believe they are as steely and prepared as possible, but in comparison to their current competition their practice strategy clearly hasn't left them under-prepared.

The only team they looked unprepared for all season was the recent TSM match, and TSM's strategy was based on their LCS play not their streamed scrims vs CLG.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 17 2013 05:36 GMT
#1816
I really feel like Curse is at risk of going into freefall right now. TSM looks really strong with wildturtle, CLG is looking better and better, and Dignitas is decent as always.
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
April 17 2013 05:44 GMT
#1817
On April 17 2013 14:36 ticklishmusic wrote:
I really feel like Curse is at risk of going into freefall right now. TSM looks really strong with wildturtle, CLG is looking better and better, and Dignitas is decent as always.


Freefall where though? They'd need to do AWFUL this week to fall out of top 2, which means they're already in semifinals of the playoffs and a top4 finish. They don't seem like unstoppable favorites to win it all, but they never really have(see: splitting games with the other top teams even early in the season); I don't see that as some freefall in the making.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 17 2013 05:45 GMT
#1818
On April 17 2013 14:36 ticklishmusic wrote:
I really feel like Curse is at risk of going into freefall right now. TSM looks really strong with wildturtle, CLG is looking better and better, and Dignitas is decent as always.

They've built up enough of a lead it won't matter for this half of the season. In Super Week v2 the only other top four team they face is dig so they are all but assured to finish in the top two and secure their spot for the next half of the season. The real important thing is how they handle their off time and prepare for the Summer season.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 05:53:57
April 17 2013 05:52 GMT
#1819
it's more or less a given they'll make it to the playoffs, but i think its pretty possible they'll just start tanking against the other top teams. even if they finish well this season, unless they fix stuff they're kind of screwed for summer.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 17 2013 06:15 GMT
#1820
IMO the real question is the promotion/demotion matches. So exciting to see if any non-Pobelter team is actually good.
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